# An exerpt from my talk with my fundie brother **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [December 20, 2003, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-exerpt-from-my-talk-with-my-fundie-brother/220204 "2003-12-20T20:21:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2003, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-exerpt-from-my-talk-with-my-fundie-brother/220204/1 "2003-12-20T20:21:59Z")
**Fundie Brother:** Didn’t you used to think that homosexuality was immoral? **Me:** Yes. **FB:** What changed your mind? **Me:** I’ve met some and talked to them, thought and prayed about it, and decided I’d changed my mind. **FB:** Well, you know that the Bible says that homosexuality is a sin. **Me:** It also says you’re not allowed to wear clothes made from more than one fabric. **FB:** It does? **Me:** Sure does. Go take a look in your closet. I’ll wait. **FB:** _flipping through shirts_ 100% cotton…100% cotton…100% cotton… **Me:** Check your workshirts. **FB:** …50% cotton, 50% polyester. **Me:** Sorry, bro. You’re going to Hell. ---
**Author:** ![Briny\_Deep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/briny_deep/32/17188_2.png) [@Briny\_Deep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Briny_Deep)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2003, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-exerpt-from-my-talk-with-my-fundie-brother/220204/2 "2003-12-20T20:31:21Z")
The distinction is sometimes made between ceremonial laws and spiritual laws. Clearly the prohibition against mixed fabrics is a ceremonial law, while the prohibition against homosexuality is a spiritual law. How do I know this? Well, it would be just silly to expect me to give up my beloved cotton/poly blends, whereas everyone knows that homosexuality is icky. Q.E.D. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![HPL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3da27b/32.png) [@HPL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HPL)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2003, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-exerpt-from-my-talk-with-my-fundie-brother/220204/3 "2003-12-20T21:23:58Z")
What about the imfamous shellfish probition I’ve heard about in the old testament? ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2003, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-exerpt-from-my-talk-with-my-fundie-brother/220204/4 "2003-12-20T21:46:51Z")
That’s irrelevant, **HPL** since he claims he doesn’t like seafood. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2003, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-exerpt-from-my-talk-with-my-fundie-brother/220204/5 "2003-12-20T21:47:04Z")
For every one that curseth his father or mother shall surely be put to death… (chapter 20 verse 9) The adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death… (chapter 20 verse 10) and for an encore: if you hear God command you to sacrifice your son to him, then you should obey … …and Abraham stretched forth his hand and took the knife to slay his son. (Genesis 22 verse 10). ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2003, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-exerpt-from-my-talk-with-my-fundie-brother/220204/6 "2003-12-20T21:49:13Z")
Weren’t these rules only for the Israelites of the time? ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2003, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-exerpt-from-my-talk-with-my-fundie-brother/220204/7 "2003-12-21T03:43:55Z")
If they were, it would invalidate 18:22 as well, wouldn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Zero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c4cdca/32.png) [@Saint\_Zero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Zero)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2003, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-exerpt-from-my-talk-with-my-fundie-brother/220204/8 "2003-12-21T06:18:15Z")
Ahh… but God forgives sins. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![MonkeyMule](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc348/32.png) [@MonkeyMule](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MonkeyMule)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2003, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-exerpt-from-my-talk-with-my-fundie-brother/220204/9 "2003-12-21T12:14:20Z")
SO if my mother gave me a Cotton/poly blend for christmas and I fliped her off while thinking about her hot married soroity sister, how long would I burn for that? ---
**Author:** ![Shade](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2bfe46/32.png) [@Shade](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shade)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2003, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-exerpt-from-my-talk-with-my-fundie-brother/220204/10 "2003-12-21T13:04:01Z")
You stopped at the good bit! What did your brother say next?? ---
**Author:** ![BellaDellaItalia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/fbc32d/32.png) [@BellaDellaItalia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BellaDellaItalia)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2003, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-exerpt-from-my-talk-with-my-fundie-brother/220204/11 "2003-12-21T15:21:14Z")
Polyester blends should be against every religion. ---
**Author:** ![zev\_steinhardt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/97f17d/32.png) [@zev\_steinhardt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zev_steinhardt)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2003, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-exerpt-from-my-talk-with-my-fundie-brother/220204/12 "2003-12-21T15:28:00Z")
Mixed fabric garments aren’t forbidden, for heaven’s sake. It’s only wool-linen blends that are forbidden. Zev Steinhardt ---
**Author:** ![Mines\_Mystique](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d26b3c/32.png) [@Mines\_Mystique](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mines_Mystique)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2003, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-exerpt-from-my-talk-with-my-fundie-brother/220204/13 "2003-12-21T15:37:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by glee \* > \*\* > if you hear God command you to sacrifice your son to him, then you should obey … > > …and Abraham stretched forth his hand and took the knife to slay his son. (Genesis 22 verse 10). \*\* But for this one, you also have to look at the next few verses. God told Abraham to stop and provided a ram for him to sacrifice before Isaac was killed. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Know\_Nothing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/f04885/32.png) [@I\_Know\_Nothing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Know_Nothing)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2003, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-exerpt-from-my-talk-with-my-fundie-brother/220204/14 "2003-12-21T15:46:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by vanilla \* > \*\*Weren’t these rules only for the Israelites of the time? \*\* I’ve heard some people say that but I don’t believe the bible says anything about the laws being specific for the Israielites and for that specific time period. ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2003, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-exerpt-from-my-talk-with-my-fundie-brother/220204/15 "2003-12-21T15:46:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mines Mystique \* > \*\*But for this one, you also have to look at the next few verses. God told Abraham to stop and provided a ram for him to sacrifice before Isaac was killed. \*\* But wouldn’t “Thou Shall Not Kill” have applied to God’s original command to Abraham to kill his son? Or is there an “Except” clause that I missed? Obviously, the No Kill Commandment doesn’t apply to animals, as the priests slaughter them left & right. So if it doesn’t apply to SOME things, what else doesn’t it apply to? ---
**Author:** ![Sternvogel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc79bd/32.png) [@Sternvogel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sternvogel)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2003, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-exerpt-from-my-talk-with-my-fundie-brother/220204/16 "2003-12-21T15:49:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Lord Ashtar \* > \*\*If they were, it would invalidate (Leviticus) 18:22 as well, wouldn’t it? \*\* Ironically (or not?), Genesis 18:22 begins “And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward **Sodom** ”. Leviticus 19:19 in my Bible supports **Zev** ’s argument: “… neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.” The shellfish prohibition is contained in Leviticus 11:10: "“And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which _is_ in the waters, they _shall be_ an abomination unto you.”\* Besides the pig, other unclean mammals include the camel, coney, hare, weasel, ferret, mouse, and mole. Additionally, there are lots of birds that can never be featured in kosher meals. - italicized words are not emphasized, but represent the translators’ filling of gaps in source texts ---
**Author:** ![BellaDellaItalia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/fbc32d/32.png) [@BellaDellaItalia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BellaDellaItalia)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2003, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-exerpt-from-my-talk-with-my-fundie-brother/220204/17 "2003-12-21T15:50:52Z")
No, no, no, listen. God asked Abraham to kill his son as sacrifice _as a test_. He just wanted to see if Abraham was willing to give up his son for Him and His will. ---
**Author:** ![Chimpy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a9adbd/32.png) [@Chimpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimpy)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2003, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-exerpt-from-my-talk-with-my-fundie-brother/220204/18 "2003-12-21T15:59:36Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Musicat \* > \*\*But wouldn’t “Thou Shall Not Kill” have applied to God’s original command to Abraham to kill his son? Or is there an “Except” clause that I missed? > > Obviously, the No Kill Commandment doesn’t apply to animals, as the priests slaughter them left & right. So if it doesn’t apply to SOME things, what else doesn’t it apply to? \*\* Quite possibly one of the most misquoted comandments the translation is > [@](#): > > Thou Shalt Not **Murder** ---
**Author:** ![Kal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9de053/32.png) [@Kal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kal)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2003, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-exerpt-from-my-talk-with-my-fundie-brother/220204/19 "2003-12-21T16:09:07Z")
> [@](#): > > Thou Shalt Not Murder But killing people as a sacrifice to God is fine, right? It would be nice to be able to confirm that I did nothing wrong should the police find the bodies. ---
**Author:** ![Chimpy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a9adbd/32.png) [@Chimpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimpy)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2003, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-exerpt-from-my-talk-with-my-fundie-brother/220204/20 "2003-12-21T16:17:05Z")
**Kal** i wasnt making excuses for killing or the crusades or anything like that, i was just pointing something out. im not even christian. sorry. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-exerpt-from-my-talk-with-my-fundie-brother/220204.md?page=2)