# An idea for peace in the Jerusalem/Isreal **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 24, 2015, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-for-peace-in-the-jerusalem-isreal/728693 "2015-08-24T05:24:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-for-peace-in-the-jerusalem-isreal/728693/181 "2015-08-27T19:57:08Z")
I forgot to add: and most importantly… just as STUPID an idea. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-for-peace-in-the-jerusalem-isreal/728693/182 "2015-08-28T01:09:01Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > He got pretty close with this other one: > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=6898](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=6898) Fair enough, but, again, that line of his gives me hope for us making it all the way to a hundred percent here: _“Actually, my plan would be to have the entire political will of the rest of the planet shame them into doing the right thing. If, however, their reaction would be anything like certain posters here making excuses for the continued atrocities, well, international will would not make any difference.”_ Now, maybe this is just yours truly being a cockeyed optimist – but it sure sounds to me as if, upon noticing how people are reacting in this thread, even _he_ can’t help but realize that the plan he proposed won’t actually work. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-for-peace-in-the-jerusalem-isreal/728693/183 "2015-08-28T01:20:29Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > What made you think I was unaware of that. Have you guys ever considered actually discussing things instead of telling each other how stupid you are? I’m just asking. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-for-peace-in-the-jerusalem-isreal/728693/184 "2015-08-28T01:44:39Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Have you guys ever considered actually discussing things instead of telling each other how stupid you are? > I’m just asking. You’ve been on the SDMB how long? 😃 (Yet…I certainly agree.) ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-for-peace-in-the-jerusalem-isreal/728693/185 "2015-08-28T01:52:57Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Have you guys ever considered actually discussing things instead of telling each other how stupid you are? > I’m just asking. I have never accused him of being stupid and have offered constructive criticism to his arguments. Frankly several others have been considerably more aggressive and he has not reacted well to criticism. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-for-peace-in-the-jerusalem-isreal/728693/186 "2015-08-28T02:09:06Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > I have never accused him of being stupid and have offered constructive criticism to his arguments. > > Frankly several others have been considerably more aggressive and he has not reacted well to criticism. I was posting to everyone, but you are not treating the fellow kindly, nor is he treating you kindly, and everyone would be better off making cookies or building model airplanes. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-for-peace-in-the-jerusalem-isreal/728693/187 "2015-08-28T02:28:35Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > I have never accused him of being stupid and have offered constructive criticism to his arguments. Heck, nobody even corrected his spelling of ‘Israel’ until I just now gave in to temptation. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-for-peace-in-the-jerusalem-isreal/728693/188 "2015-08-28T03:36:10Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > . . . everyone would be better off making cookies or building model airplanes. > 🙂 [I just sent off for this! It’ll look cool behind a row of superhero action figures!](http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0044K0WHI?psc=1) ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-for-peace-in-the-jerusalem-isreal/728693/189 "2015-08-28T03:58:57Z")
> [@Robert163](#): > > What?!?!?!?!?! Seriously? You don’t see why people would fight for their own country, rather than just give up and let someone else takeover? WTF, dude. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-for-peace-in-the-jerusalem-isreal/728693/190 "2015-08-28T04:05:41Z")
> [@Robert163](#): > > I was really more interested in talking about it as a hypothetical situation. I’m not sure why everyone is freaking out and accusing me of wanting to commit genocide against two groups of people. Well, no, it’s not genocide. But I’d call it a form of ethnic cleansing. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-for-peace-in-the-jerusalem-isreal/728693/191 "2015-08-28T04:09:24Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Seriously? You don’t see why people would fight for their own country, rather than just give up and let someone else takeover? WTF, dude. You forgot that he thinks “logically”. It’s “the Jews” and “the Muslims” who “behave like children.” ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-for-peace-in-the-jerusalem-isreal/728693/192 "2015-08-28T04:14:14Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Well, no, it’s not genocide. But I’d call it a form of ethnic cleansing. Interestingly enough, contrary to his whining, not a single person has accused him of wanting to commit “genocide”. In fact the only person other than him who’s even used the term “genocide” was **Astorian** who claimed in her post that “the Israelis are constantly accused of genocide”. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-for-peace-in-the-jerusalem-isreal/728693/193 "2015-08-28T12:30:01Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > [I just sent off for this! It’ll look cool behind a row of superhero action figures!](http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0044K0WHI?psc=1) Sweet! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-for-peace-in-the-jerusalem-isreal/728693/194 "2015-08-28T12:35:08Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Ok, are you white or not? Aren’t Persians White by virtue of being Indo-European (sp?) rather than Arabic? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-for-peace-in-the-jerusalem-isreal/728693/195 "2015-08-28T13:01:24Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Aren’t Persians White by virtue of being Indo-European (sp?) rather than Arabic? Don’t think I’ve ever heard that suggested. Pakistanis are Indo-European and I doubt you wonder if they are white. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-for-peace-in-the-jerusalem-isreal/728693/196 "2015-08-28T13:50:31Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > [I just sent off for this! It’ll look cool behind a row of superhero action figures!](http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0044K0WHI?psc=1) I think if we give one of these (full size and functional) to every Israeli and Palestinian, and give them some kind of coal-powered navigation system, they’ll find their way to better climes. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-for-peace-in-the-jerusalem-isreal/728693/197 "2015-08-28T14:00:44Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Aren’t Persians White by virtue of being Indo-European (sp?) rather than Arabic? > [@CarnalK](#): > > Don’t think I’ve ever heard that suggested. Pakistanis are Indo-European and I doubt you wonder if they are white. If you look at the US Government’s definition of “white” or “caucasian”, it covers both. But that presupposes only 5 racial divisions. Of course, you can slice and dice “race” as finely as you wish and exclude any number of those peoples. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-for-peace-in-the-jerusalem-isreal/728693/198 "2015-08-29T01:44:49Z")
> [@Robert163](#): > > But I can show you one million americans who would be acting in a petty juvenile manner if they were not willing to move, when moving actually would dramatically decrease one of the planets major sources of conflict. The Arab-Israeli conflict isn’t small, but if you add up all the deaths since the start of Zionism back around 1880, you still have a lot less deaths than we’ve seen in the three year old Syrian Civil war. Now, if the Arab-Israeli conflict is a source of other bigger wars, you might have a reason to blame the Long Islanders for their expected response to being displaced by angry Israelis. I don’t see that. > [@Robert163](#): > > But in reality, no spot on the planet is that important that we should let people keep living there if it threatens peace and stability to the whole planet. IMHO, America’s goals are, broadly taken, good. But there nonetheless is a pretty good case to be made that the US is right near the top when it comes to being a warlike country. Maybe Israel, Lebanon, and the State of Palestine go to war about as often, but America’s wars are a lot bigger. So I’m going to suggest a spot that threatens the peace and stability of the whole planet a lot more than Jerusalem: Metropolitan Washington DC (metropolitan, to include the Pentagon). Where should we send all those people? ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 7:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-for-peace-in-the-jerusalem-isreal/728693/199 "2015-08-29T07:31:19Z")
> [@Robert163](#): > > But in reality, no spot on the planet is that important that we should let people keep living there if it threatens peace and stability to the whole planet. The issue isn’t the importance of the spot on the planet, it’s the rights and liberties of the people who live there and those who would like to or feel entitled to. And the answer to that is not “Oh, you can live anywhere, just not here”. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-for-peace-in-the-jerusalem-isreal/728693/200 "2015-08-29T19:13:33Z")
> [@Robert163](#): > > Why would you assume I’m white? You…really didn’t understand the big, hard words in Kipling’s poem, did you? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-for-peace-in-the-jerusalem-isreal/728693.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-for-peace-in-the-jerusalem-isreal/728693.md?page=11)