# An idea for peace in the Jerusalem/Isreal **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 24, 2015, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-for-peace-in-the-jerusalem-isreal/728693 "2015-08-24T05:24:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Latro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a87d85/32.png) [@Latro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latro)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2015, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-for-peace-in-the-jerusalem-isreal/728693/141 "2015-08-26T19:03:45Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > You’re not dealing with children having a playground squabble. You’re not going to make people forget a Holy City the way you’d make a child forget a ball. Besides, these children will very likely turn on the person that took their ball away. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2015, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-for-peace-in-the-jerusalem-isreal/728693/142 "2015-08-26T19:38:11Z")
> [@Robert163](#): > > My comments were half hypothetical, half critical. I realize the problem is not _just_ religious but religion is a LARGE part of the problem. Fanaticism, whether religious or patriotic is equally stupid as far as I am concerned so pointing out to me how “wrong” I am because I don’t understand that its “not just religion” really does not impress me much. You need to learn what “patriotism” means if you are going to use it in a sentence. Beyond that, have you ever actually tried learning about these people you advocate engaging in war crimes, ethnic cleansing, against for which the penalty is death? ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2015, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-for-peace-in-the-jerusalem-isreal/728693/143 "2015-08-26T20:09:58Z")
So, what army is going to relocate all the Muslims and Jews, hmm? You think a UN army of Belgians, Paraguyans, Norwegians and New Zealanders is going to intimidate the locals? I don’t. In fact, I’d guess that as soon as the UN troops took even a FEW casualties, their countrymen would demand they be sent home. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2015, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-for-peace-in-the-jerusalem-isreal/728693/144 "2015-08-26T20:31:20Z")
> [@Malthus](#): > > 😃 > > I had to acknowledge this. Thanks. Atrocity humour poses its own challenges. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2015, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-for-peace-in-the-jerusalem-isreal/728693/145 "2015-08-26T20:42:17Z")
> [@Robert163](#): > > But lots of people already take religious pledges for various jobs. Usually at a religious institution of one type of another. So a pledge of non religious affilation doesn’t really bother me, nor, is it uncommon. Wait, what? Where is a “pledge of non-religious affiliation” uncommon? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2015, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-for-peace-in-the-jerusalem-isreal/728693/146 "2015-08-26T20:54:16Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > And why assume things would calm down after a few generations? People have shown they can hold grudges throughout their lives and pass them on to their children. [Yep](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Years%27_War). ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2015, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-for-peace-in-the-jerusalem-isreal/728693/147 "2015-08-26T22:32:43Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > [Yep](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Years%27_War). That’s [nothing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles). ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2015, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-for-peace-in-the-jerusalem-isreal/728693/148 "2015-08-26T22:34:26Z")
Wouldn’t be just as easy, and more effective, to just kill everyone there? ---
**Author:** ![Robert163](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4af34b/32.png) [@Robert163](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robert163)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-for-peace-in-the-jerusalem-isreal/728693/149 "2015-08-27T02:12:11Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > There’s a lot of people in the world who aren’t fighting for Jerusalem. Those people aren’t the issue. They didn’t give up the idea of fighting because they moved to places like Michigan or New York. They moved to places like Michigan or New York because they had no desire to be involved in the fighting. > > The problem is people who are fighting for Jerusalem. If they’re willing to fight for Jerusalem now, why would you think they’d give up their willingness to fight if you just moved them farther away? If a person is willing to throw bombs if he’s ten miles outside of Jerusalem, why wouldn’t he throw bomb if he’s a thousand miles outside Jerusalem? > > And why assume things would calm down after a few generations? People have shown they can hold grudges throughout their lives and pass them on to their children. you are right. my problem is i think logically. it is hard for me to adopt a fanatical mindset. i just think they are being childish and should stop. > [@Telemark](#): > > Except it’s not your ball. They’re not your kids. The ball is too big to move. There are lots of kids. You live on the other side of the neighborhood. One of the groups of kids has guns, and both have knives. You have no way of separating the kids. The majority of your family thinks you’re nuts to get involved and won’t help you. > > So, no, it’s not simple. yeah, ok, i guess you’re right ---
**Author:** ![Robert163](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4af34b/32.png) [@Robert163](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robert163)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-for-peace-in-the-jerusalem-isreal/728693/150 "2015-08-27T02:14:20Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > You need to learn what “patriotism” means if you are going to use it in a sentence. > > Beyond that, have you ever actually tried learning about these people you advocate engaging in war crimes, ethnic cleansing, against for which the penalty is death? wow, you really seem bothered. i wonder what has you so worked up. a bunch of stupid land in the desert is certainly no reason to be rude to people over the internet about!!! ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-for-peace-in-the-jerusalem-isreal/728693/151 "2015-08-27T02:27:38Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Wouldn’t be just as easy, and more effective, to just kill everyone there? Not at all as easy…but definitely more effective. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-for-peace-in-the-jerusalem-isreal/728693/152 "2015-08-27T02:32:12Z")
> [@Robert163](#): > > you are right. my problem is i think logically. it is hard for me to adopt a fanatical mindset. i just think they are being childish and should stop. Sweet lord get over yourself. Your idea isn’t remotely logical. It’s ironically quite childish in that it ignores huge aspects of human nature and reality in general. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-for-peace-in-the-jerusalem-isreal/728693/153 "2015-08-27T02:37:03Z")
> [@Robert163](#): > > My comments were half hypothetical, half critical. I realize the problem is not _just_ religious but religion is a LARGE part of the problem. Fanaticism, whether religious or patriotic is equally stupid as far as I am concerned so pointing out to me how “wrong” I am because I don’t understand that its “not just religion” really does not impress me much. > [@Robert163](#): > > wow, you really seem bothered. i wonder what has you so worked up. a bunch of stupid land in the desert is certainly no reason to be rude to people over the internet about!!! I’m not “bothered” by you. I merely pointed out that you don’t seem to understand what the term patriotism means and suggested you learn. Also, you’re making more foolish statements. Parts of Israel are desert, but not all of it is. Beyond that I suggested you learn more about the situation and the people involved if you’re going to eagerly argue for ethnic cleansing. Is there a reason why such simple arguments upsets you. BTW, you didn’t answer my earlier question. In response to someone making a reference to “the White Man’s Burden” you shrilly demanded to know why he thought you were white. So, are you white? If not, what is your nationality? BTW, nothing wrong with being white. Nobody’s perfect. ---
**Author:** ![Robert163](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4af34b/32.png) [@Robert163](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robert163)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-for-peace-in-the-jerusalem-isreal/728693/154 "2015-08-27T02:46:47Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > I’m not “bothered” by you. I think you should find out what the word bothered means before you try to use it in a sentence. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-for-peace-in-the-jerusalem-isreal/728693/155 "2015-08-27T03:13:50Z")
> [@Robert163](#): > > I think you should find out what the word bothered means before you try to use it in a sentence. I know what it means. I suggest you do the same for the word “patriotism”. Hint, it doesn’t mean “nationalism”. Now, if you wouldn’t mind answering my earlier question. Since you got upset at the phrase “The White Man’s Burden” and demanded to know why he thought you were white, are you white? In all seriousness, there’s nothing wrong with being white. My mother is as have been most of my girlfriends. ---
**Author:** ![Robert163](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4af34b/32.png) [@Robert163](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robert163)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-for-peace-in-the-jerusalem-isreal/728693/156 "2015-08-27T04:08:27Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > I know what it means. I suggest you do the same for the word “patriotism”. Hint, it doesn’t mean “nationalism”. > > Now, if you wouldn’t mind answering my earlier question. > > Since you got upset at the phrase “The White Man’s Burden” and demanded to know why he thought you were white, are you white? > > In all seriousness, there’s nothing wrong with being white. My mother is as have been most of my girlfriends. So, do you have anything relevant to say, besides, trying to distinguish between the definition of patriotism and nationalism? ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-for-peace-in-the-jerusalem-isreal/728693/157 "2015-08-27T05:04:27Z")
> [@Robert163](#): > > So, do you have anything relevant to say, besides, trying to distinguish between the definition of patriotism and nationalism? Yes, you should have much better thought out arguments. If you put in an effort to understand the topics under discussion your arguments will be better received. Now, for the fourth time. You got extremely huffy at the use of the phrase “White Man’s Burden” and demanded to know what made him think you were white. Ok, are you white or not? Thanks in advance for your answer. ---
**Author:** ![Robert163](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4af34b/32.png) [@Robert163](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robert163)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 9:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-for-peace-in-the-jerusalem-isreal/728693/158 "2015-08-27T09:06:31Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Yes, you should have much better thought out arguments. If you put in an effort to understand the topics under discussion your arguments will be better received. > > Now, for the fourth time. > > You got extremely huffy at the use of the phrase “White Man’s Burden” and demanded to know what made him think you were white. > > Ok, are you white or not? > > Thanks in advance for your answer. 1- Does my lack of knowledge make either the Israelis or the Palestinians any less violent or any less irrational? Note- to properly object to my question you have to demonstrate that random indiscriminate violence is rational. 2- I will answer, for the second time, by telling you that whether I am white or not has no bearing upon the situation. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-for-peace-in-the-jerusalem-isreal/728693/159 "2015-08-27T11:41:33Z")
> [@Robert163](#): > > 1- Does my lack of knowledge make either the Israelis or the Palestinians any less violent or any less irrational? Your lack of knowledge of the situation makes your initial proposal foolish and misguided. If you don’t understand the problem, there’s no point proposing solutions. ---
**Author:** ![Robert163](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4af34b/32.png) [@Robert163](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robert163)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-for-peace-in-the-jerusalem-isreal/728693/160 "2015-08-27T11:48:37Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > Your lack of knowledge of the situation makes your initial proposal foolish and misguided. If you don’t understand the problem, there’s no point proposing solutions. Right because I have to live in “the hood” to say that maybe, just maybe, poor African Americans should stop selling crack and shooting each other [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-for-peace-in-the-jerusalem-isreal/728693.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-for-peace-in-the-jerusalem-isreal/728693.md?page=9)