Remember: the first step in curing ignorance is admitting you have a problem.
I can’t. But I can show you one million americans who would be acting in a petty juvenile manner if they were not willing to move, when moving actually would dramatically decrease one of the planets major sources of conflict.
You keep saying this, but when people point out that it’s plainly not true you don’t seem to have any response or justification to offer.
Ok
So we separate any/all people that can not live side by side without bombing and terrorizing one another.
I am sure you are going to call me stupid or naive. But in reality, no spot on the planet is that important that we should let people keep living there if it threatens peace and stability to the whole planet.
OK. I await the keys to your house.
What? If two groups of people are bombing and terrorizing one another because they are are living in the same spot of ground and fighting over the same spot of ground, how is removing them both from the same spot of ground going to make things any worse. If you are standing in front of me I can punch you. If you are standing across the street it is harder to do. If you are 100,000 miles away it is much much much harder for me to punch you.
I live in a one room apartment. You are welcome to it. All I really need is a roof over my head. I’d be perfectly willing to move.
Not to sound callous or anything, but I do have to side with Alessan there. When it comes right down to it why should I, a Green kid from Greengorod, or you, a Viridian from the Principality of Viridia, give much of a crap about Reds and Blues fighting each other over Purplandia ?
They’ve been at it for thousands of years you say ? Evidently they must be content with this arrangement.
(as for world peace, it’s actually doing pretty goddamn fine these days. For all the doom and gloom in the news, the past few decades have been some of the most peaceful the Earth has ever seen in recorded history, be it in terms of number of active wars going on at any given time OR relative bodycounts)
And not to be dismissive but I actually really really mean this:
Suppose I (the hypothetical me) are homosexual and want to live in San Francisco? Suppose the hypothetical me is a cowboy and wants to live on a cattle farm in Texas. Suppose the non hypothetical me, the rabid atheist, budding artist, staunch leftist misses the heck out of living in NYC.
If moving or not getting to live where you really really want to live actually - does - help reduce tension in a conflict actually does threaten world peace and world stability, why should I not move?
Well, I need more than that. We built an entire country here, and a pretty damn good one at that. If you want us to leave, your going to have to give us something just as good instead, and that means all of the stuff a country already has, like houses and roads and schools and shopping malls, all to ourselves. Oh, and we want sovereignty, too - it’s something that we fought long and hard for - so clear out the current residents and withdraw all claims to the land.
And you know… even then we probably wouldn’t accept it. We love our country. This isn’t about religion, it’s about patriotism - although I’m sure that’s an equally foreign concept to you.
There are worse things than war, you know. Losing your country is one of them.
OP: How about we apply your “solution” to the issue of Native Americans in the United States. Let’s start with wherever it is that you live. You and your entire family relocate out of not only that town but also relocate to somewhere that has never been claimed by any Native American group.
Now what do you say? Are you going to just up and abandon all you’ve worked for? Is your entire extended family going to do the same?
Yeah, well, patriotism is just about as stupid as religion…
Look, you love where you live. So what? I… LOVED living in NYC. Not a single day that goes by that I don’t miss it terribly. But my father, who is 75, is getting older. He needs me nearby. I’m going to have to make some sacrifices to help him. I could whine and complain about not living in NYC but that really is just counter productive to the reality of the situation at hand.
I’m sure you live living in Israel/Jerusalem/where ever you live. But NYC is a pretty darn nice place to live too.
Yes, if it prevents bombings and terror on a daily basis then yes, we need to move.
Besides, the French and Germans fought each other for centuries, and were a much greater risk to world peace than the Israelis and Palestinians ever were. Would you have suggested removing the French from France and the Germans from Germany?
What?!?!?!?!?!
If you were talking about moving people out of a couple of regions in France/Germany, then, certainly, yes, move them. Israel has a fraction of the land and population of either France or Germany.
Why do terror and bombings bother you so much? After all, you’re not the one living through them. In fact, I am the one living through them. And I say that they’re an acceptable price to pay for living here. Why is your opinion, from half way around the world, more valid than mine?
Absolutely. Kind of a no-brainer, actually.
My opinion is that you are acting in a completely irrational manner.
EDIT: maybe we best not continue this conversation at this exact moment. I don’t see it leading to anything productive, only stress and more conflict and argument
Pfah ! Typical. Arrogant foreigners having opinions about stuff they know nothing about. Germans ? Dear boy, our real enemies are and have always been the perfidious English.
