# An idea that is picking up momentum behind closed doors on terrorism. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 22, 2005, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-that-is-picking-up-momentum-behind-closed-doors-on-terrorism/313697 "2005-07-22T19:44:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Stephe96](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Stephe96](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stephe96)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2005, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-that-is-picking-up-momentum-behind-closed-doors-on-terrorism/313697/101 "2005-07-23T03:37:59Z")
I see I left out a key step in my ‘Mecca’ strategy. (I was wondering why I was being called a mass murderer!) No, we threaten Mecca with destruction, forcing the Muslims to turn on their murderous brothers. If and when an American citizen is killed in a terrorist attack, we simply say, “OK. You had your chance. And now you have two weeks to get as far away from the Ka’bah as possible. Because Mecca is going ‘bye bye.’” Honestly, I’d like to see what kind of response this threat would have on the Muslim world. Because I honestly believe Islam is a religion of peace…but unfortunately the stakes haven’t been high enough for the necessary people to get involved in the War on Terror. Let’s show 'em we mean business. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2005, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-that-is-picking-up-momentum-behind-closed-doors-on-terrorism/313697/102 "2005-07-23T03:40:41Z")
> [@Stephe96](#): > > I see I left out a key step in my ‘Mecca’ strategy. (I was wondering why I was being called a mass murderer!) No, we threaten Mecca with destruction, forcing the Muslims to turn on their murderous brothers. If and when an American citizen is killed in a terrorist attack, we simply say, “OK. You had your chance. And now you have two weeks to get as far away from the Ka’bah as possible. Because Mecca is going ‘bye bye.’” That’s essentially hostage-taking, which is an extremely popular terrorist tactic. Doesn’t get you out of mass murder territory at all. ---
**Author:** ![Stephe96](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Stephe96](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stephe96)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2005, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-that-is-picking-up-momentum-behind-closed-doors-on-terrorism/313697/103 "2005-07-23T03:41:21Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > It is not legal to plot terrorist attacks and murder, or to associate with terrorists. (I’m not sure if he was in the US legally; I think some hijackers were and some weren’t. If he broke those laws, add it to the list.) Associating with Osama bin Laden, as he personally did, along with other known terrorists, is not legal. . Well, sounds you like nailed him! Why don’t we just read him his rights and give him his fair trial, huh? ---
**Author:** ![Blake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a9a28c/32.png) [@Blake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blake)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2005, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-that-is-picking-up-momentum-behind-closed-doors-on-terrorism/313697/104 "2005-07-23T03:41:49Z")
> [@Stephe96](#): > > Except that these Islamic fanatics are not killing people out of retaliation. They are killing us because we are ‘infidels.’ Cite please. This is GQ, not MPSIMS. So let’s see some objective evidence for that claim, or else retract it. > [@Stephe96](#): > > I think your ‘novel concept’ is nuts. How do you go after the ‘actual criminal’ when he’s a heretofore law abiding citizen who just happened to blow himself up during this morning’s commute and kill fifty-something people? You get back to me on that one. Why would we need to ‘get back’? It’s a childish simple question, and the answer should be blindingly apparent. This wil apparently surprise you Stephe but possession of explosives and conspiracy to commit murder are not legal. The ‘actual criminal’ was not a law abiding citizen for several months before this morning’s commute and could have been arrested and imprisoned at any point. > [@Stephe96](#): > > By the way, what laws do you believe Mohammed Atta broke before he slashed the first flight attendant’s throat? (Remember: box-cutters were _not_ banned items that morning). Call me crazy, but I believe there is some obscure old law on the books that makes conspiring to hijack a plane and kill several thousand people a crime. Maybe you think it’s just a misdemenaor though, and if he had been caught going through check-in they would have written him a ticket and let him board the flight. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2005, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-that-is-picking-up-momentum-behind-closed-doors-on-terrorism/313697/105 "2005-07-23T03:44:08Z")
> [@Stephe96](#): > > Except that these Islamic fanatics are not killing people out of retaliation. They are killing us because we are ‘infidels.’ Not even dicussing your statement about their motivations, if it’s retalation, it’s acceptable? So, for instance planting a “suitcase nuke” (assuming they would exist and available in suficient number) in one american city each time an iraki rebel is killed by an US soldier would be morally justified, if I understand correctly? (Or one nuke for each civilian killed as a “collateral damage”, if you like it better.) ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2005, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-that-is-picking-up-momentum-behind-closed-doors-on-terrorism/313697/106 "2005-07-23T03:46:25Z")
> [@Stephe96](#): > > I think your ‘novel concept’ is nuts. How do you go after the ‘actual criminal’ when he’s a heretofore law abiding citizen who just happened to blow himself up during this morning’s commute and kill fifty-something people? You get back to me on that one. Terrorists don’t just happen to do things, they plan them. In groups. Consisting of people who communicate with one another. These communications can be intercepted; these groups can be infiltrated. Remember how Bush received a memo entitled “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US,” before he went on vacation for a month? How do you think anyone knew this was the case? Remember how the Bush Administration blew Al Qaeda mole Mohammed Naeem Noor Khan’s cover? What do you think he was doing? Spying, that’s what. These people can be watched, their organizations can be infiltrated. I know very, very little about terrorist networks. Your assertion that terrorists just happen to up and commit acts of terrorism out of the blue shows you know even less. ---
**Author:** ![Stephe96](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Stephe96](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stephe96)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2005, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-that-is-picking-up-momentum-behind-closed-doors-on-terrorism/313697/107 "2005-07-23T03:50:26Z")
> [@The Tooth](#): > > Remember how Bush received a memo entitled “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US,” before he went on vacation for a month? How do you think anyone knew this was the case? Remember how the Bush Administration blew Al Qaeda mole Mohammed . Remember when Bill Clinton received his PDB (Presidential Daily Briefing) in 1998, a full _three years_ before 9/11, which indicated that Osama bin Laden was targeting US airliners? What steps, exactly, did he take upon receiving this information? (By the way, it’s very likely that it was the notes on this PDB that Sandy Burglar, key Kerry adviser, risked his entire reputation to steal and destroy. We may _never_ know what Clinton’s administration did!) ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2005, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-that-is-picking-up-momentum-behind-closed-doors-on-terrorism/313697/108 "2005-07-23T03:52:16Z")
> [@Stephe96](#): > > I think we’re gonna make these insects mad no matter what we do…so I say we hit back with as much force as possible. Who are “these insects” exactly? Since you intend to “hit back” all muslims by destroying their most sacred place, I can only asume that it includes all of them. Since you intend to kill the children living in Mecca as well as the elderly making the hadj, I can only assume they also are amongst the insects… ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2005, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-that-is-picking-up-momentum-behind-closed-doors-on-terrorism/313697/109 "2005-07-23T03:52:33Z")
> [@Stephe96](#): > > Remember when Bill Clinton received his PDB (Presidential Daily Briefing) in 1998, a full _three years_ before 9/11, which indicated that Osama bin Laden was targeting US airliners? What steps, exactly, did he take upon receiving this information? Signed an executive order to have Bin Laden arrested or assassinated? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2005, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-that-is-picking-up-momentum-behind-closed-doors-on-terrorism/313697/110 "2005-07-23T03:53:52Z")
> [@Stephe96](#): > > What exactly was the “lie?” :rolleyes: Here: > [@Stephe96](#): > > with no retaliation of any kind. Tap dance all you like, but that was a bald faced lie. > [@](#): > > Lot of good it did, huh? It sure did, since the evidence of a possible Al-Qaeda involvement was weak as per your cite too (this deserves another :rolleyes: ) > [@Stephe96](#): > > I think your ‘novel concept’ is nuts. It is still the concept that separate us from them, one can not take away the fact that we overreached in Iraq, we attacked the wrong target in TWAT, it has created more terrorists that are willing to sacrifice their lifes to “correct an injustice”, I think they are bananas, but it is even more stupid to not understand were are they coming from. > [@](#): > > How do you go after the ‘actual criminal’ when he’s a heretofore law abiding citizen who just happened to blow himself up during this morning’s commute and kill fifty-something people? You get back to me on that one. There is the fact that one can indeed capture the terrorists that are “abiding citizens” before they do harm: > **[The terror threat at home, often overlooked](https://www.csmonitor.com/2003/1229/p02s01-usju.html)** > > As the media focus on international terror, a Texan pleads guilty to possessing a weapon of mass destruction. > [@](#): > > Last month, an east Texas man pleaded guilty to possession of a weapon of mass destruction. Inside the home and storage facilities of William Krar, investigators found a sodium-cyanide bomb capable of killing thousands, more than a hundred explosives, half a million rounds of ammunition, dozens of illegal weapons, and a mound of white-supremacist and antigovernment literature. > > “Without question, it ranks at the very top of all domestic terrorist arrests in the past 20 years in terms of the lethality of the arsenal,” says Daniel Levitas, author of “The Terrorist Next Door: The Militia Movement and the Radical Right.” > > But outside Tyler, Texas, the case is almost unknown. In the past nine months, there have been two government press releases and a handful of local stories, but no press conference and no coverage in the national newspapers. > > Experts say the case highlights the increased cooperation and quicker response by US agencies since Sept. 11. But others say it points up just how political the terror war is. “There is no value for the Bush administration to highlighting domestic terrorism right now,” says Robert Jensen, a journalism professor at the University of Texas in Austin. “But there are significant political benefits to highlighting foreign terrorists, especially when trying to whip up support for war.” > > … > > While Mr. Pitcavage was surprised the Krar case did not receive more attention, “It is a fact that a lot of stories involving domestic extremists get undercovered,” he says. He points to a case he calls one of “the major terrorist plots of the 1990s” in which militia from around the country converged in central Texas allegedly to attack a military base. They were arrested at a campground near Fort Hood on the morning of July 4, 1997, with a large collection of weapons and explosives. “There was virtually no media coverage of that incident either,” says Pitcavage. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2005, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-that-is-picking-up-momentum-behind-closed-doors-on-terrorism/313697/111 "2005-07-23T03:58:08Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Signed an executive order to have Bin Laden arrested or assassinated? I’m sorry, **Stephe96** I should have continued, “and tried to kill him in a missile strike in August '98, then offered a $25 million reward for information leading to his capture, and then helped convince the UN to put sanctions on Afghanistan to try and get the Taliban to give him up.” It wasn’t enough, but it wasn’t nothing either. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2005, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-that-is-picking-up-momentum-behind-closed-doors-on-terrorism/313697/112 "2005-07-23T03:58:42Z")
The important thing, as opposed in the OP, is to rethink things. In every war we’ve ever been in there was an assumption: they want to kill us, we want to kill them, both we both would like to preserve our own lives. Terrorism thows a wrench into this. So if these people do not valu their own lives here on earth, we need to understand what they do value and threaten it: whcih in this case seems to be the life after this one. The one with 72 virgins. There is a story about how General Blackjack Pershing stopped muslim insurrectionists in the Phillipines. He captured 50 of them and tied them to poles execution style. He then had his men bring in pigs (which they consider unholy) and slaughter them. He then soaked each bullet in pigs blood and shot one man at a time, throwing him into the grave (which he had dug himself) facing away from Mecca, then covered him with pig entrails. He did this to 49 of the fifty, letting the last one go. The terrorism stopped. Here’s a link to the legend: http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl\_black\_jack\_pershing.htm Now this story is very likely apocryphal. But it makes an interesting point. They attack what we value: life. We need attack what they value. I, for one, would sign up for making this a reality today in a heartbeat. ---
**Author:** ![Imasquare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Imasquare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Imasquare)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2005, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-that-is-picking-up-momentum-behind-closed-doors-on-terrorism/313697/113 "2005-07-23T03:58:52Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > And how would you feel like if one of your friend or family had been killed by a random american bomb dropped on a marriage party as it happened several times? > > Given your overal stance, the obvious answer is that you would feel that something must be done to deter the crusaders, and that harming their innocent fellow countrymen by planting bombs in the subway would be a perfectly sensible response. You are partly correct. I regard Mr Bush and his fellow ideologues as major criminals and suspect that they will never be brought to justice. But that is absolutely no excuse for suicide bombers targeting civilians. It must be stopped and I don’t think there is likely to be a way to stop it that is clean and nice. I know many Iraqi civilians have been killed and maimed. That is blood on Bush’s hands. But the big difference is that the terrorists actively target civilians while the coaltion military accidentally kills civilians due to their ham-fisted ineptitude. Also please remember that these terrorists did not start their violence because of the invasion of Iraq. Bin Laden and his merry gang of cut-thoats exploded bombs in US consulate buildings in Africa and tried to blow up a US battle ship back in the 90s. The twin towers were destroyed 2 years before the invasion of Iraq. The invasion has surely inflamed the situation, but it did not create their hatred for us. ---
**Author:** ![Blake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a9a28c/32.png) [@Blake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blake)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2005, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-that-is-picking-up-momentum-behind-closed-doors-on-terrorism/313697/114 "2005-07-23T04:00:47Z")
> [@Stephe96](#): > > Remember when Bill Clinton received his PDB (Presidential Daily Briefing) in 1998, a full _three years_ before 9/11, which indicated that Osama bin Laden was targeting US airliners? What kind of blatant red herring is this I smell? You asked for ways that terrorists could be detained before they killed anyone. Apparently you couldn’t understand that they weret committing criminal acts simply by making explosives and planning hijackings. We gave examples of how they could be detained to answer your question, amongst those examples was one about a spy who would aid in them being detained. So how exactly is giving us evidence of yet more spies and yet more prior knowledge stengthening your position here Stephe? You are demolishing tour own argument. If Clinton knew 3 years in advance then why excatly would it be impossible to detain them 3 years in advance? WTF is your point here Stepehe? Are you arguing that everyone knew years in advance, or that nobody could know until the morning before? You are contradicting yourself now, never mind that you have contradicted the facts and made shit up. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2005, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-that-is-picking-up-momentum-behind-closed-doors-on-terrorism/313697/115 "2005-07-23T04:01:41Z")
> [@Stephe96](#): > > Remember when Bill Clinton received his PDB (Presidential Daily Briefing) in 1998, a full three years before 9/11, which indicated that Osama bin Laden was targeting US airliners? So you’d agree that terrorist can be subjected to investigations by intelligence services before they commit terrorist acts, then? You understand that your original assertion that terrorists are law abiding citizens indistinguishable from the general population until they strike has no merit, yes? Good. > [@Stephe96](#): > > What steps, exactly, did he take upon receiving this information? No idea. I didn’t follow US politics then. What does this have to do with the subject at hand, namely your assertion that one cannot investigate suspected terrorists? > [@Stephe96](#): > > By the way, it’s very likely that it was the notes on this PDB that Sandy Burglar, key Kerry adviser, risked his entire reputation to steal and destroy. We may never know what Clinton’s administration did! As I told you previously, the originals still exist for anyone with adequate clearance to peruse. What does this have to do with your assertion that one cannot investigate suspected terrorists? ---
**Author:** ![Blake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a9a28c/32.png) [@Blake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blake)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2005, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-that-is-picking-up-momentum-behind-closed-doors-on-terrorism/313697/116 "2005-07-23T04:05:33Z")
> [@Imasquare](#): > > But the big difference is that the terrorists actively target civilians while the coaltion military accidentally kills civilians due to their ham-fisted ineptitude. How exactly is blowing up government offices and television stations anyhtingt but deliberate killing of civilians? And if you want to argue that random public servants aided in the war effort then so did Manhattan investment banker. Either both sides target civilians or niether does. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2005, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-that-is-picking-up-momentum-behind-closed-doors-on-terrorism/313697/117 "2005-07-23T04:07:23Z")
> [@Stephe96](#): > > I think your ‘novel concept’ is nuts. How do you go after the ‘actual criminal’ when he’s a heretofore law abiding citizen who just happened to blow himself up during this morning’s commute and kill fifty-something people? You get back to me on that one. You can’t go after him once he’s dead. And no retaliation will change that fact. You seem to want some blood to be spilled as a vengeance, regardless of whose blood is it, a baby in Mecca being just as good if you can’t get at a british terrorist blood. What you can do is trying to go after his accomplices, people who hide him, funded him and of course to catch him and his accomplices before he blows himself up. Now, that’s enough. I do not intend to argue anymore with someone advocating for terrorism and mass-murder. ---
**Author:** ![Stephe96](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Stephe96](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stephe96)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2005, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-that-is-picking-up-momentum-behind-closed-doors-on-terrorism/313697/118 "2005-07-23T04:07:46Z")
> [@The Tooth](#): > > As I told you previously, the originals still exist for anyone with adequate clearance to peruse. What does this have to do with your assertion that one cannot investigate suspected terrorists? Exactly. The originals still exist. Sandy Burglar was not interested in the originals…he was interested in destroying the notes on _copies_ of these memos. So he smuggled them out of the National Archives, took them home and destroyed them. He admits to this. Well, first he tried to claim it was an “honest mistake” but then he backed down and admitted to doing it deliberately and pleading guilty in court. This was Bill Clinton’s former National Security Advisor. Amazing. I’m still stunned by this one…and in shock at the ‘pass’ he’s received from the Dems. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2005, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-that-is-picking-up-momentum-behind-closed-doors-on-terrorism/313697/119 "2005-07-23T04:10:43Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > The important thing, as opposed in the OP, is to rethink things. In every war we’ve ever been in there was an assumption: they want to kill us, we want to kill them, both we both would like to preserve our own lives. Terrorism thows a wrench into this. So if these people do not valu their own lives here on earth, we need to understand what they do value and threaten it: whcih in this case seems to be the life after this one. The one with 72 virgins. > > There is a story about how General Blackjack Pershing stopped muslim insurrectionists in the Phillipines. He captured 50 of them and tied them to poles execution style. He then had his men bring in pigs (which they consider unholy) and slaughter them. He then soaked each bullet in pigs blood and shot one man at a time, throwing him into the grave (which he had dug himself) facing away from Mecca, then covered him with pig entrails. He did this to 49 of the fifty, letting the last one go. The terrorism stopped. > > Here’s a link to the legend: http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl\_black\_jack\_pershing.htm > > Now this story is very likely apocryphal. But it makes an interesting point. They attack what we value: life. We need attack what they value. > > I, for one, would sign up for making this a reality today in a heartbeat. That is just the classic good-history-to-tell-even-if-it-is-a-lie Ronald Reagan maneuver. The interesting point here is to see someone base his/her actions on a false history, but then if one swallowed the WMD, Kool-aid is a good way to make it go down. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2005, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-that-is-picking-up-momentum-behind-closed-doors-on-terrorism/313697/120 "2005-07-23T04:10:57Z")
> [@Stephe96](#): > > I see I left out a key step in my ‘Mecca’ strategy. (I was wondering why I was being called a mass murderer!) No, we threaten Mecca with destruction, forcing the Muslims to turn on their murderous brothers. If and when an American citizen is killed in a terrorist attack, we simply say, “OK. You had your chance. And now you have two weeks to get as far away from the Ka’bah as possible. Because Mecca is going ‘bye bye.’” Sorry. I’ve elected to respond to this again because it’s just so far out there. **Stephe** , you do know that the IRA and ETA [Basques] used EXACTLY this tactic, right? They made demands and warned people “We’re going to put a bomb in this building in a few hours, so kiss it goodbye.” Then they’d blow up the building. They killed comparatively few people as a result, but they’re absolutely terrorists nonetheless. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-that-is-picking-up-momentum-behind-closed-doors-on-terrorism/313697.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-idea-that-is-picking-up-momentum-behind-closed-doors-on-terrorism/313697.md?page=7)