# An interesting quote..perhaps pertaining to the Bush admin. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 24, 2003, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-interesting-quote-perhaps-pertaining-to-the-bush-admin/183899 "2003-06-24T00:39:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2003, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-interesting-quote-perhaps-pertaining-to-the-bush-admin/183899/1 "2003-06-24T00:39:23Z")
But when a long train of **abuses and usurpations** , pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute **Despotism** , it is their **right** , it is their **duty** , to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. Anyone familiar with this quote? Does anyone agree that perhaps the Bush admin fits such a description? I most certainly do. But let’s do it with the ballot box and not the gun. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2003, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-interesting-quote-perhaps-pertaining-to-the-bush-admin/183899/2 "2003-06-24T00:48:54Z")
**Reeder** , can I suggest that you open a thread entitled “Guess what else Bush said?” That way, you can post all of Bush’s quotable quotes in one thread and not turn the GD into Bush-Bashing Central. ---
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2003, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-interesting-quote-perhaps-pertaining-to-the-bush-admin/183899/3 "2003-06-24T00:54:47Z")
Uhhh…It’s not a Bush quote. Honest. ---
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2003, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-interesting-quote-perhaps-pertaining-to-the-bush-admin/183899/4 "2003-06-24T01:11:31Z")
No one knows where the quote came from?? For shame. ---
**Author:** ![david630](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@david630](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/david630)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2003, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-interesting-quote-perhaps-pertaining-to-the-bush-admin/183899/5 "2003-06-24T01:21:01Z")
Its from the 1848 Declaration of Sentiments I think. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2003, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-interesting-quote-perhaps-pertaining-to-the-bush-admin/183899/6 "2003-06-24T01:27:57Z")
You’re being a Paine in the neck, Reeder. If you can’t sign the John Hancock to this quote, then you’re just not being Frank(lin). ---
**Author:** ![Desmostylus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2003, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-interesting-quote-perhaps-pertaining-to-the-bush-admin/183899/7 "2003-06-24T01:35:51Z")
I think **Minty Green** knows where it comes from. The source is attributed in **Airman** ’s pit thread [Reeder: the liberal december](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=192920). ---
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2003, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-interesting-quote-perhaps-pertaining-to-the-bush-admin/183899/8 "2003-06-24T01:43:34Z")
The source of the quote… [http://www.law.indiana.edu/uslawdocs/declaration.html](http://www.law.indiana.edu/uslawdocs/declaration.html) Read it…learn it…remember it. ---
**Author:** ![Duckster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duckster/32/1244_2.png) [@Duckster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duckster)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2003, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-interesting-quote-perhaps-pertaining-to-the-bush-admin/183899/9 "2003-06-24T01:45:21Z")
> [@](#): > > We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the consent of the governed, – That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. **But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new guards for their future security** – Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. – The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world. If I have to provide a cite for this, you need to turn in your SDMB Decoder Ring and membership card! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![hilltopper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c68b51/32.png) [@hilltopper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hilltopper)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2003, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-interesting-quote-perhaps-pertaining-to-the-bush-admin/183899/10 "2003-06-24T16:18:03Z")
Are you saying the Bush Admin is guilty of a long train of abuses and usurpations OR are you saying they are executing the second half of the quote in Iraq? ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2003, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-interesting-quote-perhaps-pertaining-to-the-bush-admin/183899/11 "2003-06-25T00:42:01Z")
My biggest problem with Bush is that annoying tax on tea and paper goods. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2003, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-interesting-quote-perhaps-pertaining-to-the-bush-admin/183899/12 "2003-06-25T01:10:29Z")
Reeder: Do you do anything other than set up Bush/Republican-bashing threads? If your paranoia about Bush were valid, you’d be in jail right now for that OP. The fact that you aren’t, goes a long way in disproving the premise. ---
**Author:** ![Beagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/85f322/32.png) [@Beagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beagle)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2003, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-interesting-quote-perhaps-pertaining-to-the-bush-admin/183899/13 "2003-06-25T01:21:58Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Captain Amazing \* > \*\*My biggest problem with Bush is that annoying tax on tea and paper goods. \*\* Not to mention the constant quartering of troops in my home. [Writs of assistance](http://www.nhinet.org/ccs/docs/writs.htm) might not be that far fetched. Substitute “terrorism” for “smuggling.” ---
**Author:** ![Duckster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duckster/32/1244_2.png) [@Duckster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duckster)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2003, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-interesting-quote-perhaps-pertaining-to-the-bush-admin/183899/14 "2003-06-25T07:42:51Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by John Mace \* > If your paranoia about Bush were valid, you’d be in jail right now for that OP. The fact that you aren’t, goes a long way in disproving the premise. One would think [Jose Padilla](http://www.time.com/time/pow/article/0,8599,262269,00.html) as well [David Cole](http://www.cdt.org/security/usapatriot/030210cole.pdf) would taken exception to your comment. That **Reeder** is not yet in jail for his OP means nothing. That **Reeder** may fear his own government may put him in jail for exercising his First Amendment rights may have some justification. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2003, 10:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-interesting-quote-perhaps-pertaining-to-the-bush-admin/183899/15 "2003-06-25T10:35:13Z")
Didn’t Jefferson take that line directly from Locke though? (I have some fuzzy recollection of this so don’t hang me if its BS) ---
**Author:** ![december](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/838e76/32.png) [@december](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/december)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2003, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-interesting-quote-perhaps-pertaining-to-the-bush-admin/183899/16 "2003-06-25T12:45:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Duckster \* > \*\*One would think [Jose Padilla](http://www.time.com/time/pow/article/0,8599,262269,00.html) as well [David Cole](http://www.cdt.org/security/usapatriot/030210cole.pdf) would taken exception to your comment. > > That **Reeder** is not yet in jail for his OP means nothing. That **Reeder** may fear his own government may put him in jail for exercising his First Amendment rights may have some justification. \*\* Padilla wasn’t charged with exercising First Amendment rights. He was charged with planning to build a radioactive bomb and detonate it in a major city. ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2003, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-interesting-quote-perhaps-pertaining-to-the-bush-admin/183899/17 "2003-06-25T13:29:04Z")
Silly, **december**. Padilla was just exercising his first ammendment rights to build a radioactive bomb. Besides, if Bush put him in jail, he must be innocent. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2003, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-interesting-quote-perhaps-pertaining-to-the-bush-admin/183899/18 "2003-06-25T13:37:48Z")
“David Cole would taken exception to your comment.” You mean to say that there is University Proffesor who disagrees with the Bush Administration? I’m shocked! ---
**Author:** ![Rooster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/71c47a/32.png) [@Rooster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rooster)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2003, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-interesting-quote-perhaps-pertaining-to-the-bush-admin/183899/19 "2003-06-25T13:58:27Z")
Has Jose Padilla actually been charged? Or is he still being held by the military? The answer, of course will directly reflect upon the appropriateness of the David Cole reference. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2003, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-interesting-quote-perhaps-pertaining-to-the-bush-admin/183899/20 "2003-06-25T14:21:48Z")
What frustrates you more? The fact that Bush does all these terrible things, or that the American public still loves him? I’m just curious if his actual transgressions against all that is good and right are what bother you the most, or if it’s that polls consistently show him with high approvial ratings and beating out any Democratic candidate in an election. Because the latter must be tough, to realize that you are among the few in this country that have the correct view of the Bush administration. Just wondering. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-interesting-quote-perhaps-pertaining-to-the-bush-admin/183899.md?page=2)