# An old colleague of mine was voluntarily cannibalized and killed. TM friggin' I. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [April 3, 2003, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-old-colleague-of-mine-was-voluntarily-cannibalized-and-killed-tm-friggin-i/166236 "2003-04-03T17:00:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2003, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-old-colleague-of-mine-was-voluntarily-cannibalized-and-killed-tm-friggin-i/166236/61 "2003-04-04T06:46:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Revtim \* > **The problem I have with it is that both of these people are obviously mentally ill, and perhaps with professional help could have been made healthy. I’d believe this even if I hadn’t known one of them.** Not to debate with you, really, but couldn’t the same be said of all suicides? Even those committed by the terminally ill? I like to regard those acts (the suicides of the terminally ill) as the last cogent action of a free mind escaping the drug- and pain-fogged days of illness.\*\* > [@](#): > > But, the thought that keeps coming to mind is this; what if the joy he felt having this done to him was greater than any healthy activity a sane person might experience? Do we have the right to deny him that joy? \*\* Again, the same thing could be said about the delusions of grandeur some pyschotics are consumed by. If the person is happy being the King of All Rome and Atlantas, do we have the right to prescribe lithium salts? I take a pragmatic view: Who else would the person hurt? If nobody else is being harmed, I don’t view it as the state’s perogative to intervene. Is the cannabal probably sociopathic? Well, most Western cannibals have been (Jeffrey Dahmer, for example). Is he a threat to others who wouldn’t consent? Dunno, but I’d be leery of taking the risk. Was the victim willing? To all outside appearances he was, but we can never know his mind when the final curtain fell. Was the victim insane? Yes, but insane doesn’t always meet the standard for incapacitated. (For example, Jeffrey Dahmer could probably have entered into a valid contract despite his sociopathy.) Was this homicide? Well? I don’t think Kevorkian committed homicide, but the State of Oregon found differently. Similarly, I don’t think the cannibal committed homicide in this instance. The German courts may find differently. ---
**Author:** ![Spit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/76d3ee/32.png) [@Spit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spit)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2003, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-old-colleague-of-mine-was-voluntarily-cannibalized-and-killed-tm-friggin-i/166236/62 "2003-04-04T06:47:02Z")
I love this quote from one of the neighbours: > [@](#): > > “He was totally fixated on his mother, who he said never let him date girls. After she died, he began to thaw out.” ## _snort_ On another note; where are the voices of dissent? Surely this must be one of those things that we are supposed to tolerate, right? It being a lifestyle (or lack thereof) choice and all… ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2003, 7:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-old-colleague-of-mine-was-voluntarily-cannibalized-and-killed-tm-friggin-i/166236/63 "2003-04-04T07:12:14Z")
> [@](#): > > The two men had met via a gay internet chat room notice placed by the murderer, one of 80 such notices he had put on the internet. The notices read: “Gay male seeks hunks 18-30 to slaughter.” > > Police today said a chat room user tipped them off to the existence of the ads. They now know of at least five respondents to the ad, besides undercover officers who answered it and quickly determined it was meant literally. > > In addition to frozen human flesh and skeletal remains, police found the cellar had been renovated into a veritable two-room abattoir, including trough drains and meat hooks. > > Police today said the video shows the victim willingly allowed himself to be castrated and both men engaged in eating his severed flesh. > > Armin M stabbed the man to death and suspended his body upside-down from a meat hook to gut and clean it. Then he dismembered the body. He froze the meat in “meal-sized packets” and ate most of it, burying the portions he did not eat. Jesus. Effing. Christ. My girlfriend and I watched Dee Snider’s **Strangeland** a couple of weeks ago and wondered aloud after the movie if there were really people that fucked up in the world. This isn’t exactly the answer to that question that I was looking for. . . ---
**Author:** ![Satisfying\_Andy\_Licious](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/50afbb/32.png) [@Satisfying\_Andy\_Licious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Satisfying_Andy_Licious)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2003, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-old-colleague-of-mine-was-voluntarily-cannibalized-and-killed-tm-friggin-i/166236/64 "2003-04-04T07:13:52Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by KCSuze \* > \*\ ***Andy** , that was both awful and hilarious. > > I’m trying to think of something to say that hasn’t been said.\*\* Well, **KCSuze,** there’s your sig! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![ElwoodCuse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/edb3f5/32.png) [@ElwoodCuse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElwoodCuse)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2003, 7:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-old-colleague-of-mine-was-voluntarily-cannibalized-and-killed-tm-friggin-i/166236/65 "2003-04-04T07:48:32Z")
This was on Fark and the Jim Rome show the week that it came out. Even the hardasses on those two places were shocked by this story. ---
**Author:** ![Tristan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tristan/32/18058_2.png) [@Tristan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tristan)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2003, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-old-colleague-of-mine-was-voluntarily-cannibalized-and-killed-tm-friggin-i/166236/66 "2003-04-04T07:50:38Z")
Hmmmm… I wonder if what PETA would think of this particular case. Killing two birds with one stone, perhaps. ---
**Author:** ![GusNSpot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gusnspot/32/436_2.png) [@GusNSpot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GusNSpot)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2003, 8:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-old-colleague-of-mine-was-voluntarily-cannibalized-and-killed-tm-friggin-i/166236/67 "2003-04-04T08:05:29Z")
There is nothing more cruel nor more depraved than the average human… Then we come to more deviant specimens of our species… Then you have not heard of two more levels below what is being discussed here… Be glad you are so protected… ---
**Author:** ![Grimace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/3e96dc/32.png) [@Grimace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grimace)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2003, 8:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-old-colleague-of-mine-was-voluntarily-cannibalized-and-killed-tm-friggin-i/166236/68 "2003-04-04T08:08:13Z")
I’ve seen and heard a lot of shit. I have a saying. Nothing people do surprises me anymore. They may amaze me every once in a while, but never surprise me. Well, there goes that saying out the frigging window. Excuse me while I pick my jaw up off the floor, and look for the REBOOT button on the world. ---
**Author:** ![Pixiesnix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/898d66/32.png) [@Pixiesnix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pixiesnix)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2003, 8:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-old-colleague-of-mine-was-voluntarily-cannibalized-and-killed-tm-friggin-i/166236/69 "2003-04-04T08:11:40Z")
> [@](#): > > Well, KCSuze, there’s your sig! Heh, I thought about that when I was posting. Love shouldn’t be _that_ hurtful! **GusNSpot** , are you referring to anything in particular? ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2003, 8:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-old-colleague-of-mine-was-voluntarily-cannibalized-and-killed-tm-friggin-i/166236/70 "2003-04-04T08:37:38Z")
Good lord. Does anyone here know the name of that seriously fucked up cartoonist that draws pictures of hyperdeveloped women doing things like happily submitting to being barbecued on a spit and eaten, and even portrays them orgasming as they die? Someone here pointed out to me, and I was absolutely sure that this was one fetish that no one would ever be able to have played out. Silly me. ---
**Author:** ![Kantalooppi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/a5b964/32.png) [@Kantalooppi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kantalooppi)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2003, 10:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-old-colleague-of-mine-was-voluntarily-cannibalized-and-killed-tm-friggin-i/166236/71 "2003-04-04T10:31:37Z")
> [@](#): > > Does anyone here know the name of that seriously fucked up cartoonist that draws pictures of hyperdeveloped women doing things like happily submitting to being barbecued on a spit and eaten, and even portrays them orgasming as they die? Someone here pointed out to me, and I was absolutely sure that this was one fetish that no one would ever be able to have played out. Shit, I happened upon a few of these when innocently searching for porn on Kazaa. They were rather… disturbing. At least I hope they were what you’re talking about, since otherwise, there would be two artists drawing this stuff with it being relatively easily findable… Doing another search would imply the guy’s name is Dolcett. I wouldn’t want to meet him. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2003, 11:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-old-colleague-of-mine-was-voluntarily-cannibalized-and-killed-tm-friggin-i/166236/72 "2003-04-04T11:45:47Z")
**Kanta** : I did a Google on `Dolcett’. Just that, nothing else. _First freaking link._ I don’t know what draws me to this stuff, but I’m exploring the page right now. ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2003, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-old-colleague-of-mine-was-voluntarily-cannibalized-and-killed-tm-friggin-i/166236/73 "2003-04-04T11:57:46Z")
> [@](#): > > Similarly, I don’t think the cannibal committed homicide in this instance. The German courts may find differently. I completely disagree with you. This guy should be charged with premeditated murder and removed from society. Permanently. There’s a difference between assisting someone in suicide because they are suffering from a terminal illness and are in great physical pain and murdering someone for your own sexual gratification. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2003, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-old-colleague-of-mine-was-voluntarily-cannibalized-and-killed-tm-friggin-i/166236/74 "2003-04-04T12:03:08Z")
**Pundit** , I don’t think homicide flies if the victim was willing. Though Kevorkian probably had `issues’ of his own to work out, he only killed those who asked him to kill them. He didn’t go out to find victims, nor did he apparently need to. I think, and I hope, the cannibal is like that. If you want to make the case the cannibal’s a time bomb, I’d probably be receptive. But killing someone isn’t _automatically_ homicide. ---
**Author:** ![Kalimero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/aca169/32.png) [@Kalimero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalimero)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2003, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-old-colleague-of-mine-was-voluntarily-cannibalized-and-killed-tm-friggin-i/166236/75 "2003-04-04T13:24:30Z")
Unless the court decides the victim was mentally unable to give informed consent, it is _“Homicide upon Request” (Section 216)_. Punishment: 6 month to 5 years. (IANAL, just looked it up, but it seems quite clear-cut to me) Link: [German Criminal Code: Chapter Sixteen, Crimes Against Life](http://www.iuscomp.org/gla/statutes/StGB.htm#BXVI) This story has been the most disturbing news I’ve ever heard. I’m really surprised about the little coverage it got in the US. Kalimero ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2003, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-old-colleague-of-mine-was-voluntarily-cannibalized-and-killed-tm-friggin-i/166236/76 "2003-04-04T13:39:00Z")
While reading this, I thought about asking a mod to move it to \*\* The BBQ Pit.\*\* But maybe not. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2003, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-old-colleague-of-mine-was-voluntarily-cannibalized-and-killed-tm-friggin-i/166236/77 "2003-04-04T14:08:14Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Derleth \* > \*\ ***Kanta** : I did a Google on `Dolcett’. Just that, nothing else. > > _First freaking link._ > > I don’t know what draws me to this stuff, but I’m exploring the page right now. \*\* I ran across that stuff before, and was thoroughly disturbed by it. But, I kept looking at it. Morbid curiosity I suppose. I used to be worried about myself that I’d be drawn to look at that stuff, plus gore pics on websites like rotten dot com. Now all I have to do is think about my colleague, and I realize I’m right as rain compared to him. ---
**Author:** ![acrossthesea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@acrossthesea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/acrossthesea)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2003, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-old-colleague-of-mine-was-voluntarily-cannibalized-and-killed-tm-friggin-i/166236/78 "2003-04-04T14:27:49Z")
When I read the subject to this thread I hoped it was a joke or meant something entirely different. It’s REALLY disturbing to see that no, that is exactly what it’s about. ---
**Author:** ![manwithaplan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@manwithaplan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/manwithaplan)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2003, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-old-colleague-of-mine-was-voluntarily-cannibalized-and-killed-tm-friggin-i/166236/79 "2003-04-04T14:35:38Z")
Bizarre but not completely unprecedented, at least in fiction. Check out Tennessee Williams’ short story _Desire and the Black Masseur_. ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2003, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-old-colleague-of-mine-was-voluntarily-cannibalized-and-killed-tm-friggin-i/166236/80 "2003-04-04T15:24:14Z")
I was only takling about _Desire and the Black Masseur_ to **micilin** the other night. There’s a French movie that’s based on it aswell. \*Noir et blanc \* IIRC [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-old-colleague-of-mine-was-voluntarily-cannibalized-and-killed-tm-friggin-i/166236.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-old-colleague-of-mine-was-voluntarily-cannibalized-and-killed-tm-friggin-i/166236.md?page=5)