# An open apology **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 4, 2003, 8:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-open-apology/166414 "2003-04-04T08:04:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![ZiggyB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b487fb/32.png) [@ZiggyB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZiggyB)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2003, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-open-apology/166414/181 "2003-04-07T15:22:52Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Stoid \* > All I’m fighting for here is…well, precision. This from the person who jumped in here without reading the previous discussions and so had no idea what’s going on? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![ENugent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/4af34b/32.png) [@ENugent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ENugent)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2003, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-open-apology/166414/182 "2003-04-08T02:05:25Z")
Oh, please. I read every word of the thread before I posted in the previous Pit thread, and I said almost exactly the same thing as Stoid, albeit at less length and probably less eloquently. Eve’s “I don’t want to hear what they think” clearly meant “I don’t want to hear that they think transgendered people are evil sinners”, not “I don’t want to know what they think of my personal appearance”. The remark was tacky and thoughtless, and Jersey’s behavior afterwards in not apologizing was rude. But it was not “unbelievably cruel”. Cruelty requires intention, and I am quite sure that Jersey had none. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2003, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-open-apology/166414/183 "2003-04-08T02:10:09Z")
> [@](#): > > The remark was tacky and thoughtless, and Jersey’s behavior afterwards in not apologizing was rude. But it was not “unbelievably cruel”. Cruelty requires intention, and I am quite sure that Jersey had none. Bull. If there were any doubt about the deliberate malice behind **JD** ’s remark, her conduct afterward left no boubt about her intent. She and her husband, IMO, are a pair of sociopaths who use Jesus as a “Get Out of Jail Free” card whenever they are called upon their lack of human decency. ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2003, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-open-apology/166414/184 "2003-04-08T12:24:37Z")
Gobear, I agree. It’s not like it’s the first time this has happened. She’s been told countless times that her words are razors, yet she continues to do it. She knows whose feelings will get hurt every time she does it. She’ll hide behind the “just telling the truth” and “the bible says so” veil, but she is being deliberately hurtful. She’d have to be an idiot to miss the pain she inflicts on others. ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2003, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-open-apology/166414/185 "2003-04-08T15:44:52Z")
And it remains interesting that **Joe** made a stab at an apology, but we’ve yet to hear a peep out of **Jersey**. Esprix ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2003, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-open-apology/166414/186 "2003-04-08T15:54:10Z")
Is it necessary to invoke christian values to talk about basic human decency? I don’t like cutsey-wootsey let’s-do-a-group-hug-and-commit-our-hearts-to-love shit but I don’t like hurting nice people either, even when it’s true (which I don’t know, neither care). No one needs a 24/7 job for that. At least **Joey Cool** tried to make a point and apologise. We’d need a pit thread of the pit thread for **JerseyDiamond**. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/919ad9/32.png) [@Pedro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pedro)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2003, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-open-apology/166414/187 "2003-04-08T16:00:59Z")
Before anyone takes offense, the second sentence is a hyperbole, not my views on religion, bad as those may be. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2003, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-open-apology/166414/188 "2003-04-08T16:18:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by gobear \* > \*\*a pair of sociopaths who use Jesus as a “Get Out of Jail Free” card whenever they are called upon their lack of human decency. \*\* :eek: 😃 _THAT_ was some fine wordsmithing. Accurate _and_ pithy. Dorothy Parker would approve. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2003, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-open-apology/166414/189 "2003-04-08T16:33:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Fenris \* > \*\*:eek: > > 😃 > > _THAT_ was some fine wordsmithing. Accurate _and_ pithy. Dorothy Parker would approve. \*\* Thanks, **Fenris**. In the spirit of Dorothy Parker, on Friday I shall be having tea at the Algonquin with **Eve, Oxymoron** and possibly other NYC Dopers. ---
**Author:** ![Cardinal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardinal/32/4000_2.png) [@Cardinal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardinal)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2003, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-open-apology/166414/190 "2003-04-08T19:21:42Z")
This all sounds EXACTLY like why I just avoid these religious threads entirely. I’ve never (well, maybe sort of once) seen them stay civil and unsnipy. You can’t convince someone of a radically different view by yelling at them, and usually not by arguing, either. ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2003, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-open-apology/166414/191 "2003-04-09T03:46:59Z")
> [@](#): > > Joe\_Cool > BANNED > > The Ace of Swords > BANNED Considering that **Potter** has been away in Wales since the 31st… that’s the prettiest thing I’ve seen all month 😃 ---
**Author:** ![samarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4da419/32.png) [@samarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samarm)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2003, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-open-apology/166414/192 "2003-04-09T03:51:38Z")
Do you really think that will stop him posting? I don’t need to explain how he can get around the banning, do I? ---
**Author:** ![samarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4da419/32.png) [@samarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samarm)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2003, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-open-apology/166414/193 "2003-04-09T03:55:03Z")
(Joe\_Cool, I’m talking about, btw) FWIW, I agree with you, Matt, but I’m cynical enough to think the banning won’t matter… :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2003, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-open-apology/166414/194 "2003-04-09T04:01:30Z")
Well, of course, the rules state that sockpuppeting is grounds for immediate banning of the sock. They might crop up a few times but the mods can keep up with that. And of course, if **JD** “forgets” and shills for her husband again, we could go for the trifecta. ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2003, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-open-apology/166414/195 "2003-04-09T04:04:43Z")
Two seperate people banned in one thread - is that a record? Good riddance. Esprix ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2003, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-open-apology/166414/196 "2003-04-09T04:11:15Z")
Whoa! When and why was **Joe** banned? (Though I’m thinking for his last post in **Ace** ’s appology.) I’ll be **Jersey** comes in whinging about it… ---
**Author:** ![samarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4da419/32.png) [@samarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samarm)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2003, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-open-apology/166414/197 "2003-04-09T04:15:43Z")
For wishing death on someone in this thread: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=175941](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=175941) ---
**Author:** ![samarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4da419/32.png) [@samarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samarm)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2003, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-open-apology/166414/198 "2003-04-09T04:18:09Z")
Ah, I just read Joe’s post in Ace’s apology thread. Maybe it was a combination of the two that finally did it. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2003, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-open-apology/166414/199 "2003-04-09T04:25:55Z")
If I had to guess, I think **Joe** got banned for his last post in **Ace** ’s apology thread. He basically dared **Lynn** to ban him, which is a dare she always seems more than happy to accept. And, of course, **Ace** was banned for that same thread, which may be some sort of milestone in and of itself: how many people are so misanthropic that they get themselves banned while trying to apologize? At any rate, the overall tone of the entire board just shot through the roof. Good riddance to bad rubbish, I say. ---
**Author:** ![Heloise](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e36b37/32.png) [@Heloise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heloise)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2003, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-open-apology/166414/200 "2003-04-09T04:27:18Z")
Since the OP has been banned, shouldn’t this thread be closed? Just wondering if the train wreck can end. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-open-apology/166414.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-open-apology/166414.md?page=11)