# An open letter to Ambivalid **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 30, 2019, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ambivalid/833248 "2019-04-30T06:17:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ambivalid/833248/21 "2019-04-30T18:07:37Z")
All I know is this thread pisses me off. Or makes me feel good. Or something. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ambivalid/833248/22 "2019-04-30T18:29:40Z")
I’m in the woods on this one. (Well, to tell the truth I’m always in the woods) ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ambivalid/833248/23 "2019-04-30T18:34:25Z")
> [@digs](#): > > I opened this assuming it’d be the recent [Tupac was GAY?!?](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=874709) thread where he felt like someone misunderstood him. And he just couldn’t let it go after a long rant, then another, said he gave up (“Fuck it, I’m out!”), but kept returning to beat the dead horse (and could not grasp that no one else really cared whether it was dead or not). Not an accurate summary at all. Color me shocked!! ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ambivalid/833248/24 "2019-04-30T18:55:13Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > Not an accurate summary at all. Color me shocked!! Ok. Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctor_jackson/32/32_2.png) [@Doctor\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ambivalid/833248/25 "2019-04-30T19:00:35Z")
> [@BubbaDog](#): > > Lemon flavored my ass! When your ass gives you lemon, make Gatorade. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ambivalid/833248/26 "2019-04-30T19:07:19Z")
… ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ambivalid/833248/27 "2019-04-30T19:54:46Z")
I sometimes wonder how much controversy I can cause by posting something vague and ambivalent, but then I decide the board doesn’t need more stress. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ambivalid/833248/28 "2019-04-30T20:31:39Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > I sometimes wonder how much controversy I can cause by posting something vague and ambivalent, but then I decide the board doesn’t need more stress. Who does that? ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ambivalid/833248/29 "2019-04-30T20:41:01Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > Who does that? Holy shit im stupid. Disregard this please. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ambivalid/833248/30 "2019-04-30T21:09:18Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > Not an accurate summary at all. Color me shocked!! Then what is an accurate summary? ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ambivalid/833248/31 "2019-04-30T21:17:37Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Just a quick check: is everyone else seeing the link go to a specific post of **Ambivalid** ’s? Some of you are talking like you it just goes to a thread, but it should take you to his post about “check your privilege.” When I looked on my phone, it didn’t look like it went to any post of **Ambivalid’s** , but from my PC I see now that it does. I’m still not clear on why that post from an old thread sparked the OP, but it does at least make a bit more sense now. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ambivalid/833248/32 "2019-04-30T21:22:13Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Did you forget to put the letter in the envelope before sending it out? Or he put it in backwards, so the address doesn’t show in the little window. I hate that. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ambivalid/833248/33 "2019-04-30T21:47:26Z")
> [@TokyoBayer](#): > > Then what is an accurate summary? I have no interest in banging my head against the wall yet again. The threads are linked right here in this thread. You can easily see for yourself. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ambivalid/833248/34 "2019-04-30T22:08:32Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > I have no interest in banging my head against the wall yet again. The threads are linked right here in this thread. You can easily see for yourself. I did. I looked at your Tupac thread. Frankly I don’t know the difference between Tupac and Sixpack and I couldn’t care less. However, the OP in the Tupac thread, to the extent that any kind of meaning at all could be dredged out of it, seemed to be a meandering idiotic rant along the general lines of “I always thought the suggestions that Tupac was gay ‘were the product of a vicious smear campaign of haters to tarnish the dead man’s legacy’, but gol darn it, turns out the guy was a ballerina”. After someone pointed out the sheer volume of multi-dimensional stupidity packed into that sentiment, the thread devolved into **Ambivalid** promising to fuck off and never return, but unfortunately thereafter becoming the most prolific poster in it. The thread, IOW, lends a whole new meaning to the concept of “train wreck”. And I have no idea what the OP of _ **this** _ thread is on about. The “open letter” was either lost in the mail or lost in translation. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ambivalid/833248/35 "2019-04-30T22:23:37Z")
Cool beans dude ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ambivalid/833248/36 "2019-04-30T22:40:44Z")
I like **Ambivalid** too. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ambivalid/833248/37 "2019-04-30T22:44:18Z")
I like **Ambivalid** but boy was that Tupac thread weird, and if it wasn’t something close to “ballet + acting interests + certain mannerisms = gay” then I couldn’t really make heads or tails of it. But I’ve written incoherently before, so it’s not a big deal. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ambivalid/833248/38 "2019-04-30T22:47:46Z")
It was the interview that left me with the certainty that he was gay. I didn’t even know what he was being interviewed for, his dancing, until after i watched it and found the information elsewhere online (I never heard it mentioned in the interview itself and if it was included, i missed it). In my OP i said “every single non-verbal element of his communication said one thing”. THAT is what informed me of his sexual orientation, not the fact he was a dancer. However, the fact that Tupac Shakur was once a ballet dancer, in addition to strengthening the already very strong notion that watching his interview left me with, created a hilariously, jarringly absurd image in my head juxtaposing the image of the Thug Life gangsta rapper as a graceful ballet dancer. Its utter absurdity compelled me to include it in my OP. My Tupac thread was intended to be one of a celebratory nature. I feel like it was completely turned on its head and characterized as quite the opposite. All my lengthy “rants” were attempts to defend my words from being hijacked. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ambivalid/833248/39 "2019-04-30T22:53:13Z")
Even _if_ my original OP wasn’t composed in a way that lended itself to easy understanding, all my follow up posts were (i took a lot of time and effort to make sure they said exactly what i intended them to say). But after being judged on my op, the willingness to listen to anything I had to say seemed gone. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ambivalid/833248/40 "2019-04-30T23:01:59Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I like **Ambivalid** but boy was that Tupac thread weird, and if it wasn’t something close to “ballet + acting interests + certain mannerisms = gay” then I couldn’t really make heads or tails of it. > > But I’ve written incoherently before, so it’s not a big deal. 100% the mannerisms, body language, etc. Crucify me if you must but why is it so bad to think he’s gay from his VERY stereotypically “gay” mannerisms? Especially when that gayness is not ridiculed or hated but celebrated and spoken of awingly. Maybe i could have used phrases like “It is my opinion that…” or “It strongly appears to be…” or similar expressions of an opinion, rather than stating that opinion in such factual terms. But i was still sharing my opinion. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ambivalid/833248.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ambivalid/833248.md?page=3)