# An SDMB test of astral projection **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [December 3, 2003, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-sdmb-test-of-astral-projection/216696 "2003-12-03T12:34:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![IWLN](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b5ac83/32.png) [@IWLN](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IWLN)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2004, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-sdmb-test-of-astral-projection/216696/321 "2004-01-10T23:36:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Czarcasm \* > BTW, I’ve tried clearing my mind, closing my eyes and relaxing. In fact, I do it every night. > Then I wake up the next morning. It doen’t work for old men. Sleep becomes the driving force, not discovery. Do you want a cite for that, sir? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Gremlyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/df788c/32.png) [@Gremlyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gremlyn)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2004, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-sdmb-test-of-astral-projection/216696/322 "2004-01-11T00:50:49Z")
LOL Drink some coffee! Glee, I understand that of course but I felt like I got attacked or something, know what I mean? I’d be happy to try & look at your room btw and I already have tried but I’m not coming through with much at all. I feel sort of intimidated by you, sad to say. I probably shouldn’t admit that… wonder who’s gonna jump me now. lol ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2004, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-sdmb-test-of-astral-projection/216696/323 "2004-01-11T00:53:38Z")
To be completely frank, I think people who love the idea of APs being real haven’t really thought it through. Yeah, woopedy-doo we’re living in magic world! Now people can spy on you at will! I’m sure no whackos or bad guys will abuse it! Yay! ---
**Author:** ![opacis\_magi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/f6c823/32.png) [@opacis\_magi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/opacis_magi)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2004, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-sdmb-test-of-astral-projection/216696/324 "2004-01-11T01:22:12Z")
Also, it’s kind of annoying how people hide behind the courtesy and ‘open-minded’ ness of others. “I can fly and I can fly wherever I want to on earth!” “I don’t believe that” “Well that’s not very scientific of you” “Listen, until you can prove it, please respect that I don’t believe it” “Fine, if you want to be close-minded and deny this new science to be, that’s all just peachy, but know that science is about finding out new things that exist” “I know that. But science is also backed up by observation, which is what I asked for in the first place.” “Ok, did you know what particle entanglement is? Something about that makes it possible if we insert lots of big words and some puseod-phioloshy in here this will act as at least a possibility that AP can exist.” “OK.” ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2004, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-sdmb-test-of-astral-projection/216696/325 "2004-01-11T02:32:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Gremlyn \* > Okay let’s see. What I said about my ability is what one poster said. A claim. Can I prove it? How would I do that? I can try to see Glee’s room, I won’t back down from it but I won’t sit here and tell you all that I’m a psychic who can for damn sure see all because I’ve made mistakes on the color of things a few times. I can explain that for whoever wants me to. The times it’s happened I’ve been sitting & chatting with the person on progs like Yahoo or ICQ, etc. Can I do it through SDMB…we’ll see. So now we’re sitting and chatting. What color is my shirt, **Gremlyn**? “Red.” “Sorry, but it’s green.” “Oh, I make mistakes sometimes.” I’m convinced. That’s a real impressive skill ya got there. What else ya got? How about lilsting the 12 objects on **Glee’s** desk, and never mind the colors? ---
**Author:** ![IWLN](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b5ac83/32.png) [@IWLN](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IWLN)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2004, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-sdmb-test-of-astral-projection/216696/326 "2004-01-11T03:26:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Musicat \* > \*\*So now we’re sitting and chatting. What color is my shirt, **Gremlyn**? > > “Red.” > > “Sorry, but it’s green.” > > “Oh, I make mistakes sometimes.” > > I’m convinced. That’s a real impressive skill ya got there. What else ya got? How about lilsting the 12 objects on **Glee’s** desk, and never mind the colors? \*\* It’s green.😉 ---
**Author:** ![IWLN](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b5ac83/32.png) [@IWLN](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IWLN)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2004, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-sdmb-test-of-astral-projection/216696/327 "2004-01-11T03:29:02Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by IWLN \* > \*\*It’s green.😉 \*\* Oh, but it’s a yellow green, kind of bluish. ---
**Author:** ![Gremlyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/df788c/32.png) [@Gremlyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gremlyn)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2004, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-sdmb-test-of-astral-projection/216696/328 "2004-01-11T05:27:36Z")
What a smartass. Is your life so miserable that all you can do is come to a message board and try your best at belittling someone? Tsk, what a shame. ---
**Author:** ![IWLN](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b5ac83/32.png) [@IWLN](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IWLN)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2004, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-sdmb-test-of-astral-projection/216696/329 "2004-01-11T06:00:41Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Gremlyn \* > \*\*What a smartass. Is your life so miserable that all you can do is come to a message board and try your best at belittling someone? Tsk, what a shame. \*\* Guilty as charged. Miserable life. All I have is my sense of humor. The atheist dingo’s took the rest away. Oh, except for my sense of shame. I apologize. Welcome to SDMB.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Gremlyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/df788c/32.png) [@Gremlyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gremlyn)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2004, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-sdmb-test-of-astral-projection/216696/330 "2004-01-11T06:16:29Z")
I didn’t see that as humor, I saw that as making fun of me, straight out and that isn’t right in my book. Like I said Id try to see glee’s room but Im not going to swear on anything. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2004, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-sdmb-test-of-astral-projection/216696/331 "2004-01-11T11:10:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Czarcasm \* > Damn right it does. We’re not talking about an appendix or an extra nipple here-if astral projection is real, _our entire body is redundant._ I’m sorry - are you serious? 😕 What happened to eating, reproduction, finding shelter? Wouldn’t you need to use your body for all those? Look I appreciate that this is a message board that fights ignorance. We all like a cite. But you won’t challenge an extraordinary claim by some illogical argument. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2004, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-sdmb-test-of-astral-projection/216696/332 "2004-01-11T11:16:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by opacis magi \* > Also, it’s kind of annoying how people hide behind the courtesy and ‘open-minded’ ness of others. > > “I can fly and I can fly wherever I want to on earth!” > “I don’t believe that” > “Well that’s not very scientific of you” > “Listen, until you can prove it, please respect that I don’t believe it” > “Fine, if you want to be close-minded and deny this new science to be, that’s all just peachy, but know that science is about finding out new things that exist” > “I know that. But science is also backed up by observation, which is what I asked for in the first place.” > “Ok, did you know what particle entanglement is? Something about that makes it possible if we insert lots of big words and some puseod-phioloshy in here this will act as at least a possibility that AP can exist.” > “OK.” Yes, I know this can happen. But you just keep going. In your example, you would continue by discussing 'particle entanglement '. It’s far worse to be abusive in Great Debates to a newbie… ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2004, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-sdmb-test-of-astral-projection/216696/333 "2004-01-11T11:24:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Gremlyn \* > Glee, I understand that of course but I felt like I got attacked or something, know what I mean? I’d be happy to try & look at your room btw and I already have tried but I’m not coming through with much at all. I feel sort of intimidated by you, sad to say. I probably shouldn’t admit that… wonder who’s gonna jump me now. lol Yes, you were attacked. I apologise for that. The forum rules state: NO DIRECT PERSONAL INSULTS OR “FLAMING” IN GREAT DEBATES Moderator’s Note: Direct personal insults of other posters and “flaming” are not permitted in Great Debates (or, indeed, in any SDMB forum outside of The BBQ Pit). The general rule is to attack the other poster’s arguments, rather than the other poster him- or herself. If you feel you must “flame” someone, please open a thread in The BBQ Pit. I have already reported some posts attacking you personally to the Moderators. On a more productive note, can I help you ‘view’ my desk? What can you suggest? I assume you’ve read the thread, so you know what the rules are that cityboy916 and I agreed. It would be useful if you could publically agree to them, so we can judge your success (or not) scientifically. if you want to make changes, I can discuss that. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2004, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-sdmb-test-of-astral-projection/216696/334 "2004-01-11T14:17:42Z")
I, on the other hand, do _not_ think you were attacked(at least not by me)-you’re fantastic claims were challenged, and rightfully so. Your _claims_ may have been ridiculed, but then again, this was after you expressed indignation and surprise at others for wanting you to back up your claim. This problem can be easily solved by you. All you have to do is find a varifiable way to show us your claimed ability. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2004, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-sdmb-test-of-astral-projection/216696/335 "2004-01-11T14:23:19Z")
**Glee** , I noticed that you conveniently skipped over the part where I discussed the seeming uselessness of brain cells and eyes, given the claim by astral projectionists that it is possible to think and see without use of either. If we can see better and farther without eyes, how did we ever develop them in the first place? All of this is moot anyway. The claim is still without evidence and unproven. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Great\_Unwashed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_great_unwashed/32/4791_2.png) [@The\_Great\_Unwashed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Great_Unwashed)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2004, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-sdmb-test-of-astral-projection/216696/336 "2004-01-11T15:30:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by glee \* > \*\*Yes, you were attacked. > I apologise for that. > > … > > I have already reported some posts attacking you personally to the Moderators.\*\* Are you referring to **Musicat** ’s > [@](#): > > you sound like a total freakish weirdo ? Because, you do know that **Gremlyn** said in it first > [@](#): > > I know I’m sounding like a total freakish weirdo So Musicat was saying nothing that hadn’t already been admitted. Am I missing something? Were some truly insulting posts deleted? And then, **glee** , where were you when Gremlyn said > [@](#): > > What a smartass. ? Did you report _that_ to the mods? Wasn’t that a personal insult? And who was it directed at? **IWLN** with her playful guessing of colours? (Or, is it more likely that Gremlyn forgot who was posting what? (Which would in itself speak volumes.)) Whatever, I find it disturbing that when someone posts to claim some supernatural ability or other that it is somehow taboo for us to strongly demand that they put up or shut up. There’s been very little putting up so far; time to get real, methinks. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2004, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-sdmb-test-of-astral-projection/216696/337 "2004-01-11T16:07:21Z")
> [@](#): > > **glee-** On a more productive note, can I help you ‘view’ my desk? Snorrt! “more productive”! If you want to be a stickler about the forum rules, this is one for “Great Debates”. You seem to want this to be a “random list of objects” thread, which should probably go in IMHO or MPSIMS or alt.out-of-body. ---
**Author:** ![opacis\_magi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/f6c823/32.png) [@opacis\_magi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/opacis_magi)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2004, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-sdmb-test-of-astral-projection/216696/338 "2004-01-11T16:21:09Z")
Well, I do agree that the ‘atmosphere’ of some posts can be a little… uneasy at times. Probably just a bunch of old sceptics looking for proof, never take it personally 😉 Anyway it’s not easy for me since my ‘coax’ account was disabled cause I changed my email address to a wrong one, and now I can’t post under that name anymore. I didn’t think I’d have any less credibility as a newbie here. But either way… I will be very happy when a post comes up in this thread saying “We did it! He saw the correct items/numbers!” It will be a step toward finding something out… /maybe/. Good luck then. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2004, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-sdmb-test-of-astral-projection/216696/339 "2004-01-11T17:17:06Z")
First off **opacis magi** you should email a mod about your multiple user names. It’s frowned upon- even if it honestly happens like your case it wastes resources. > [@](#): > > Well, I do agree that the ‘atmosphere’ of some posts can be a little… uneasy at times. > Probably just a bunch of old sceptics looking for proof, never take it personally Please remember that I mentioned I’m not coming from a place of skepticism based in ignorance. I’ve read extensivly about APs/OOBEs/LDs. I’ve discussed the issue with lots of APers and LDers. I’ve personally had dozens of Lucid Dreams. My own experience and outside knowledge leads me to believe that APs are lucid dreams containing specific dream signs and viewed through a specific emotional filter. I believe they are an awesome tool for self-exploration but it’s all in your head. PS- why the heck hasn’t SDSTAFF Doug posted here?! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![RAWDuke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/71e660/32.png) [@RAWDuke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RAWDuke)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2004, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-sdmb-test-of-astral-projection/216696/340 "2004-01-11T17:59:34Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by IWLN \* > \*\*It’s green.😉 \*\* Wow! I am wearing a green shirt! Coincidence? I don’t think so:D [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-sdmb-test-of-astral-projection/216696.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-sdmb-test-of-astral-projection/216696.md?page=18)