# An SDMB test of astral projection **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [December 3, 2003, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-sdmb-test-of-astral-projection/216696 "2003-12-03T12:34:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2003, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-sdmb-test-of-astral-projection/216696/101 "2003-12-09T15:05:30Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by cityboy916 \* > I’ll be glad to get back to you on that one after I have completed the currently running test. Trick is to do it once; after that, further experiments are a definite possibility. > > > [@](#): > > > > _Origally posted by musicat_ > > The claim (and correct me if I am wrong, CityBoy916) is, _ **given enough time, he can identify an object on a particular desk at a physical location remote from his body.** _ > > I couldn’t have said it better myself. > > BTW, if nobody else wants that sig line, I’ll gladly claim it. 😃 Be my guest. But wouldn’t it have more impact if you could prove your assertion first? “It ain’t boasting if you can do it.” ---
**Author:** ![umop\_ap\_sdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/dbc845/32.png) [@umop\_ap\_sdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/umop_ap_sdn)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-sdmb-test-of-astral-projection/216696/102 "2003-12-10T06:10:45Z")
:smack: The quote in my sig is from the other thread. Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-sdmb-test-of-astral-projection/216696/103 "2003-12-10T12:12:57Z")
Shalmanese, Shade and Musicat, Thank you for your contributions! 🆒 I will certainly be using your ideas for the second test. My term is nearly over, and I can then easily contact mates to whom scanners + enccoding software are meat and drink (if you see what I mean). Because it may take cityboy916 a while to do the first test, I’d rather stick to the agreed conditions. Meanwhile could all of you please do the first test yourselves! The more controls we have, the better. What are the 12 objects on my desk? Which one has the post-it on it? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Great\_Unwashed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_great_unwashed/32/4791_2.png) [@The\_Great\_Unwashed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Great_Unwashed)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-sdmb-test-of-astral-projection/216696/104 "2003-12-10T12:40:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by glee \* > **The more controls we have, the better.** I’m not sure – I think there’s an optimal ratio between the number of controls and the numbers of “psychs”, and that optimal ratio isn’t _lots_ to _one_. Though my brain is addled by a head-cold and insufficient sleep, I’m guessing too many controls increases our chances of a Type I error (because a _single_ lucky guess by the only psych will grossly skew the statistics). We need more psychs. Or perhaps not. ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-sdmb-test-of-astral-projection/216696/105 "2003-12-10T14:19:51Z")
OK, **glee,** your test, your thread, your conditions. No problem. 🙂 But I’m having trouble understanding just what the test is. Could you sum it up? It looks like **CityBoy916** has been given the task of guessing (excuse me, astrally-projecting) what objects are on your desk.[ol][_]Is there any time limit at all?[_]How many objects does he have to guess correctly to be considered a success?[_]How many times can he submit his choices (I would expect only once, but I’d like to hear it officially)[_]How close does he have to come for an object to be considered “viewed”?[/ol] ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2003, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-sdmb-test-of-astral-projection/216696/106 "2003-12-11T00:13:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Great Unwashed \* > I’m not sure – I think there’s an optimal ratio between the number of controls and the numbers of “psychs”, and that optimal ratio isn’t _lots_ to _one_. Though my brain is addled by a head-cold and insufficient sleep, I’m guessing too many controls increases our chances of a Type I error (because a _single_ lucky guess by the only psych will grossly skew the statistics). > > We need more psychs. Or perhaps not. More psychs the better, for sure. The control chaps will basically just tell us how likely it is you can learn enough about me from my posts to guess what’s on my desk. But that shows the chance that a psychic is using that method (I’m not suggesting cityboy will do this). As I have said, this is the first ever test (that I know of). So even one psychic is infinitely better than none! ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2003, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-sdmb-test-of-astral-projection/216696/107 "2003-12-11T00:24:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Musicat \* > OK, **glee,** your test, your thread, your conditions. No problem. 🙂 I do appreciate your support and interest. 🆒 [QUOTE] \*Originally posted by Musicat \* But I’m having trouble understanding just what the test is. Could you sum it up? It looks like **CityBoy916** has been given the task of guessing (excuse me, astrally-projecting) what objects are on your desk.[ol][li]Is there any time limit at all?[_]How many objects does he have to guess correctly to be considered a success?[_]How many times can he submit his choices (I would expect only once, but I’d like to hear it officially)[\*]How close does he have to come for an object to be considered “viewed”?[/ol] [/li][/QUOTE] From earlier in the thread: 1. For identification purposes, the desk is on the right of the room as you enter, and has two computers on it. 2. Ignoring all computer equipment (and pieces of paper), there are 12 separate objects on the desk. They are all clearly visible. I have allocated each object a number, rolled a 12 sided dice, and stuck a yellow post-it note on the chosen object (with the words ‘this one’ on the post-it). 3. You are invited to remote view the desk and identify the object with the post-it attached. 4. If you feel able, you are welcome to name the other 11 objects. 5. There is no time limit, because no-one else uses the room (and my cleaning lady has instructions not to touch anything in the room!) 6. Purely for comparison purposes, SDMB members are invited to also perform steps 3. and 4. Please state whether you claim paranormal powers, or are a ‘control’ (e.g. just using your intelligence guided by your experience) 7. I am e-mailing David B. the answers to 3. and 4. (right after posting this). If another Moderator would like to join in, they are most welcome. 8. I suggest that predictions be posted on the thread, since I think this will make analysis of the various answers easy. Once cityboy916 has posted, David B. can reveal all. 9. I am on GMT here (it’s now about 0100 i.e one hour after midnight). There is usually enough daylight to see the room clearly, plus I work from home quite a bit. So: - there is no time limit (cityboy said he didn’t have full control over his ability at present) - cityboy has to name the object on my desk with a post-it attached to it - good point about number of guesses! I would expect just one, but I should have put it in the protocol. (I won’t change anything about this test now though, because I don’t want cityboy to have to ‘restart’ his viewing) - yes, deciding whether cityboy ‘hits’ the object is a little ‘loose’. (but I wanted to start with a wide range of objects which would nevertheless be readily identifiable. For future tests I will name all objects (using guidance from you and others), and even try for pictures. The test will then be effectively to select one number (representing the chosen object) from 12 possibilities.) P.S. Bung in **your** control guesses! ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2003, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-sdmb-test-of-astral-projection/216696/108 "2003-12-11T01:08:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by glee \* > P.S. Bung in your control guesses! We gotta **bung**'em in? :o It looks like the answer to my question, “How many objects does he have to guess correctly to be considered a success?” is, “one, that object with the post-it note on it.” If there was a published list of objects, I would say he has a 1/12 chance (8%) of getting it right if allowed one chance. Since there is no list, I don’t know of a way to compute the odds. They could be very low (all the objects in the world are theoretically on the list) or very high (if you have a common desktop object that anyone might guess). It also looks like naming the other 11 objects, while a fun task, has no bearing on determining the pass/fail status of **CityBoy916’s** test. Is that correct? And even though there is no time limit, will the test end when **CityBoy916** emails **David B** with his choice? One last thing – **David B** will then compare the object chosen with the object you have already emailed him about, and when announcing the results, give his opinion as to whether they are the same object and the test was passed? I hope so – he would be the least biased party since he hasn’t seen the object and has to rely solely on the submitted descriptions. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2003, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-sdmb-test-of-astral-projection/216696/109 "2003-12-11T01:31:36Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Musicat \* > We gotta **bung**'em in? :o Look here, old bean. Some of us English chappies (especially P.G. Wooster fans) have developed speech affectations, don’t you know? Now I know you New World types like to take the bull by the horns (sounds jolly uncomfortable to me), but here in Old Blighty we fink iss OK to say fings worever way we fancy. (Yes, I do know this is the language of Shakespeare. :o ) > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Musicat \* > It looks like the answer to my question, “How many objects does he have to guess correctly to be considered a success?” is, “one, that object with the post-it note on it.” If there was a published list of objects, I would say he has a 1/12 chance (8%) of getting it right if allowed one chance. Since there is no list, I don’t know of a way to compute the odds. They could be very low (all the objects in the world are theoretically on the list) or very high (if you have a common desktop object that anyone might guess). Correct. I don’t know the odds either. (That’s one more reason for seeing what control lists come up with.) Perhaps there are roughly 1,000 objects that might ‘reasonably’ be on a computer desk? > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Musicat \* > It also looks like naming the other 11 objects, while a fun task, has no bearing on determining the pass/fail status of **CityBoy916’s** test. Is that correct? Yes. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Musicat \* > And even though there is no time limit, will the test end when **CityBoy916** emails **David B** with his choice? Yes. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Musicat \* > One last thing – **David B** will then compare the object chosen with the object you have already emailed him about, and when announcing the results, give his opinion as to whether they are the same object and the test was passed? I hope so – he would be the least biased party since he hasn’t seen the object and has to rely solely on the submitted descriptions. Yes (although it will be ‘interesting’ to see what other objects cityboy ‘sees’.) ---
**Author:** ![IWLN](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b5ac83/32.png) [@IWLN](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IWLN)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2003, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-sdmb-test-of-astral-projection/216696/110 "2003-12-11T04:42:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by glee \* > P.S. Bung in **your** control guesses! Sorry, I just couldn’t resist using Bung in my answers. 1. Rock paperweight. 2. Buzz Lightyear action figure. 3. Can of beans.🙂 4. glass dish 5. small metal sculpture - from a war (this one) 6. address book 7. Pen in pen holder 8. toothbrush 9. box of envelopes 10. mirror 11. puzzle 12. spoon Okay, I had a hard time visualizing this. I was afraid you would walk through in your boxers while I was looking.😃 ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2003, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-sdmb-test-of-astral-projection/216696/111 "2003-12-11T06:13:55Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originall posted by glee_ > Look here, old bean. Some of us English chappies (especially P.G. Wooster fans) have developed speech affectations, don’t you know? > Now I know you New World types like to take the bull by the horns (sounds jolly uncomfortable to me), but here in Old Blighty we fink iss OK to say fings worever way we fancy. (Yes, I do know this is the language of Shakespeare. ) And I thought it might have been only a spelling error. Instead, I get a lecture about the lack of political correctness by us crude colonists. Bung it is, gov’nor. 🙂 I think I have the rules straight now. I’m all squared away and all a-twitter with excitement. Thanks for bunging it up so clearly. Personally, I always liked the W.C. Fields saying, “There comes a time, you see, when you must grab the bull by the tail and look the situation squarely in the face.” ---
**Author:** ![umop\_ap\_sdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/dbc845/32.png) [@umop\_ap\_sdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/umop_ap_sdn)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2003, 7:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-sdmb-test-of-astral-projection/216696/112 "2003-12-11T07:55:30Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Musicat \* > **It also looks like naming the other 11 objects, while a fun task, has no bearing on determining the pass/fail status of CityBoy916’s test. Is that correct?** It would seem to me that should I pass the test in naming the “this one” object, each additional object I name will decrease the odds that I got it right by chance alone. They could be very useful to note since they would add weight to the single solitary psychic subject here (me 🆒 ). ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2003, 8:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-sdmb-test-of-astral-projection/216696/113 "2003-12-11T08:39:36Z")
Anyone care to make predictions on whether this works or not? I’ll be the first. It wont. I’ll admit that its exciting to see someone who claims psychic ability actually submit to a test like this though. Unfortunately, astral projection in the way cityboy916 describes it just doesn’t make sense. We know how the brain and eyes work together to see colors and shapes and distances. Astral projectors obviously dont bring their eyes with them, so claiming to see with normal sight while projecting just isnt possible. Also, i get the impression that cityboy916 and glee know each other only through these message boards, which means that cityboy would have nothing but the name “glee” to bring him to the specific room with the desk and the items. What if there happen to be fifteen people who are known sometimes as “glee”? How could cityboy916 distinguish them, if any one of them could have been the SDMB poster? Is he even sure whether glee is a man or a woman? Anyway, here’s my prediction for the items on glee’s desk. 1. a pad of post-it notes 2. an ashtray 3. a framed picture of a boy 4. a printer 5. a paperback novel 6. a light bulb 7. a small cardboard box 8. a red bow 9. a folded pair of socks 10. nail clippers 11. a fish bowl or tank with 2 fish in it 12. a winney-the-pooh stuffed animal ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2003, 8:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-sdmb-test-of-astral-projection/216696/114 "2003-12-11T08:41:47Z")
The fish bowl is “this one” ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2003, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-sdmb-test-of-astral-projection/216696/115 "2003-12-11T14:17:21Z")
> [@](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by Musicat_ > > It also looks like naming the other 11 objects, while a fun task, has no bearing on determining the pass/fail status of CityBoy916’s test. Is that correct? > > \*Originally posted by cityboy916 \* > It would seem to me that should I pass the test in naming the “this one” object, each additional object I name will decrease the odds that I got it right by chance alone. They could be very useful to note since they would add weight to the single solitary psychic subject here (me 🆒 ). Yes, I think it would change the odds. By how much, I’m not sure. Nevertheless, should viewing & naming other objects be used as part of the score or not (by mutual agreement)? I would think our goal here is to reach a pass/fail condition, and an obvious one where there can be no doubt. In a well-designed test, there can be no “cherry picking” or “data mining” of the results afterwards, and no excuses why things worked differently than expected, or the results will be open to subjective analysis. “No, he didn’t see the post-it note object, but look at the 2 other objects he saw! He must have astrally-projected!” ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2003, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-sdmb-test-of-astral-projection/216696/116 "2003-12-11T17:33:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by IWLN \* > Sorry, I just couldn’t resist using Bung in my answers. > > 1. Rock paperweight. > 2. Buzz Lightyear action figure. > 3. Can of beans.🙂 > 4. glass dish > 5. small metal sculpture - from a war (this one) > 6. address book > 7. Pen in pen holder > 8. toothbrush > 9. box of envelopes > 10. mirror > 11. puzzle > 12. spoon > > Okay, I had a hard time visualizing this. I was afraid you would walk through in your boxers while I was looking.😃 1. Thanks for the guesses - psychic or non-psychic? Oh, and is the metal sculpture your guess of the item with the post-it? (If not, what does ‘this one’ mean?) 2. Bung is English for: a) a stopper for closing a hole, particularly a cask b) slang for throwing or tossing c) slang for a bribe Only the first two are in the Oxford English Dictionary, but I’m confident about the third possible meaning, especially concerning politicians! :smack: 1. I am being quite careful these days. I don’t put extra objects on the computer desk, and only enter the room fully clothed. (You can never tell who is viewing :eek: ) ---
**Author:** ![The\_Great\_Unwashed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_great_unwashed/32/4791_2.png) [@The\_Great\_Unwashed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Great_Unwashed)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2003, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-sdmb-test-of-astral-projection/216696/117 "2003-12-11T18:45:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by glee \* > \*\*2. Bung is English for: > > a) a stopper for closing a hole, particularly a cask > b) slang for throwing or tossing > c) slang for a bribe > > Only the first two are in the Oxford English Dictionary, but I’m confident about the third possible meaning, especially concerning politicians!\*\* Each are in my Oxford English _Reference_ Dictionary, so nyah! Missed from mine, though indubtably Inglish: d) a generic payment: “How much do you want for that?” “Bung me a tenner, and it’s yours”. e) bunghole; mouth: “A tenner for that? You’ve got to be joking!” “Ah, shut yer bunghole” Anyway: I believe you have attached a post-it note to a Sea-monkey Aquarium. Other items on your desk include: [ul] [li]Post-it notes (natch)[/li][li]Stapler[/li][li]Mouse-pad[/li][li]Desk-tidy made from old bog-roll tubes and sticky-backed plastic[/li][li]Spare mouse-pad[/li][li]Signed copy of _Everything you wanted to know about sex, but didn’t know how to spell_ (or possibly a computer manual of sorts)[/li][li]Small plastic device you found, the function of which is long forgotten, but you refuse to throw it away in case it is ever needed[/li][li]Newton’s cradle (the sleeping Newton, long gone)[/li][li]The Far Side calendar from 1997 which you’re are saving for re-use in 2014 (doh!)[/li][li]A ball of rubber-bands[/li][li]Head-phones[/li][/ul] No special powers were used in the making of this post. ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2003, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-sdmb-test-of-astral-projection/216696/118 "2003-12-11T19:07:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Great Unwashed \* > e) bunghole; mouth: > “A tenner for that? You’ve got to be joking!” > “Ah, shut yer bunghole” I’ve always thought it referred to your opposite end, as in [Vulgar Slang def #2](http://www.bartleby.com/61/13/B0551300.html). I don’t think the “throwing or tossing” use is common on this side of the Pond; at least it’s a new one on me. ---
**Author:** ![umop\_ap\_sdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/dbc845/32.png) [@umop\_ap\_sdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/umop_ap_sdn)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2003, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-sdmb-test-of-astral-projection/216696/119 "2003-12-11T22:00:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mosier \* > \*\*Anyone care to make predictions on whether this works or not? > > I’ll be the first. It wont. I’ll admit that its exciting to see someone who claims psychic ability actually submit to a test like this though. \*\* Gosh, thanks for your vote of confidence. :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > Unfortunately, astral projection in the way cityboy916 describes it just doesn’t make sense. We know how the brain and eyes work together to see colors and shapes and distances. Astral projectors obviously dont bring their eyes with them, so claiming to see with normal sight while projecting just isnt possible. You have a point. I’ve always thought of it under the assumption that the real me is a spirit/soul and that the body is only a vehicle. From that POV it seems to make sense to me. Of course I could be wrong. Of course whatever method allows the “astral body” to see must be separate from the eyes etc, but I don’t claim to know _how_ it works, just that it _does_ which is what this test is for. > [@](#): > > Also, i get the impression that cityboy916 and glee know each other only through these message boards, True. > [@](#): > > which means that cityboy would have nothing but the name “glee” to bring him to the specific room with the desk and the items. What if there happen to be fifteen people who are known sometimes as “glee”? How could cityboy916 distinguish them, if any one of them could have been the SDMB poster? Is he even sure whether glee is a man or a woman? Pick any name out of the list of commonly used names. There must be millions of people who are known by that name. But if you know a specific person by that name and you project, you can say “I want to go to so-and-so’s house” and you’ll be there. Or so I’m told, by more than one source, in absence of evidence to the contrary. Time will tell if I’m right or wrong. **glee** is a guy, right? ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2003, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-sdmb-test-of-astral-projection/216696/120 "2003-12-11T22:28:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by cityboy916 \* > **glee** is a guy, right? Unh…suppose YOU tell US. With any luck, he/she/it/whatever will be sitting at his/hers/its/whatever’s desk when you float by. 😃 So **glee** – don’t dress gender-ambiguously, now, y’hear? :dubious: **Mosier** – **CityBoy916** has already said that he can easily find **glee’s** house. I assume astral projection works somewhat differently than a google search on the keyword “glee.” In any case, it’s all part of the test – find the right desk and view it. A failure to describe the correct object will be a failure of the whole test, whether it was because of the wrong desk, the wrong object, or an inability to astrally project at all. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-sdmb-test-of-astral-projection/216696.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/an-sdmb-test-of-astral-projection/216696.md?page=7)