# Anastasia Romanov really live through the execution?? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [October 24, 2001, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anastasia-romanov-really-live-through-the-execution/89364 "2001-10-24T19:42:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Breezy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b3f665/32.png) [@Breezy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Breezy)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2001, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anastasia-romanov-really-live-through-the-execution/89364/1 "2001-10-24T19:42:05Z")
I have been wondering about this since I saw a made-for-TV movie about it on the Hallmark chanel. Does anyone have links to pictures of the REAL Anastasia and to the woman who claimed to BE Anastasia? I’m so intrigued by the idea that she could have REALLY been the long lost princess, and her family wouldn’t meet with her, or help her out. any smart history buffs out there who can clue me in?? :):)🙂 ---
**Author:** ![bernse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a9a28c/32.png) [@bernse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bernse)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2001, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anastasia-romanov-really-live-through-the-execution/89364/2 "2001-10-24T19:51:09Z")
There was a thread about this before, I think. Did she live through the execution? I don’t think so. I believe her remains were found. There was some old lady that claimed to be her in the US. Proved to be false via a DNA test. Of course, there are her believers that say the test was wrong. Yeah, right… ---
**Author:** ![ShrekLookAlike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@ShrekLookAlike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShrekLookAlike)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2001, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anastasia-romanov-really-live-through-the-execution/89364/3 "2001-10-24T19:51:33Z")
I could be mistaken, but I seem to recall that after the woman who claimed to be Anastasia died, a DNA sample was taken which showed she was not in any way related to the Romanovs. Sorry, nothing I can cite. Perhaps somebody more familiar with this can help. ---
**Author:** ![ShrekLookAlike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@ShrekLookAlike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShrekLookAlike)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2001, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anastasia-romanov-really-live-through-the-execution/89364/4 "2001-10-24T20:14:28Z")
Just out of curiosity I did a Google search and found several sites that pretty much confirm my first post. A grave was found that contained remains believed to be most of the Romanovs. Although there were not enough remains to account for all of them, there was enough dna available to match with Prince Philip of Britain who’s Grand Aunt was the Czarina. They tested dna from the old lady “Anna” who claimed to be Anastasia and the results were negative. ---
**Author:** ![yabob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yabob/32/2821_2.png) [@yabob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yabob)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2001, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anastasia-romanov-really-live-through-the-execution/89364/5 "2001-10-24T21:02:23Z")
Another data point - I remember an account of the recent excavation of the gravesite, too. There may be a missing body, but it would have to be of one of the other sisters, not Anastasia - remains consistent with a girl of Anastasia’s age were found, as well as remains consistent with the oldest sister. One of the middle two could possibly have been missing from the grave. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2001, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anastasia-romanov-really-live-through-the-execution/89364/6 "2001-10-24T21:41:48Z")
It is HIGHLY unlikely that ANYONE survived the massacre-period. Remember-Anastasia’s dog was clubbed to death-and he had been her arms during the whole thing. [http://www.alexanderpalace.org](http://www.alexanderpalace.org) [http://www.naotmaa.com](http://www.naotmaa.com) Look up Who is Missing-run by my friends. Trust me-Anna Anderson was NOT Anastasia. I think she did BELIEVE that she was Anastasia-but she was mistaken. (I’m an amateur Romanov expert, of sorts, at least around here) ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2001, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anastasia-romanov-really-live-through-the-execution/89364/7 "2001-10-24T21:49:02Z")
Oh, and a couple of nitpicks: her name would not be Anastasia Romanov-but Anastasia Nikolaievna Romanova. Or Anastasia Romanova, if you will. She was NOT a princess, but a Russian Grand Duchess. ---
**Author:** ![Osip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4491bb/32.png) [@Osip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Osip)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2001, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anastasia-romanov-really-live-through-the-execution/89364/8 "2001-10-24T22:56:39Z")
Ah the wonderful Anna Anderson. Every time I see or hear her name I want to jump and scream. “I am Demitri!!” Um… ok I shall go now. ---
**Author:** ![Markxxx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5daacb/32.png) [@Markxxx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Markxxx)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2001, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anastasia-romanov-really-live-through-the-execution/89364/9 "2001-10-25T04:21:58Z")
I saw on PBS’s Nova not only did they prove the woman who claimed to be Anastasia wasn’t but they did a test on a DNA from a man believed to be her brother. It came back positive. She wasn’t related to the Romanovs ---
**Author:** ![Bossk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7feea3/32.png) [@Bossk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bossk)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2001, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anastasia-romanov-really-live-through-the-execution/89364/10 "2001-10-25T05:28:14Z")
According to \*The Casebook of Forensic Detection: “…She was not Princess Anastasia but a neurotic Polish peasant named Franzisca Schanzkowska, who had vanished in 1920. Later that same year, she was pulled from a cnal in Berlin and began her longstanding deception. Members if the Schanzkowska family, who had long suspected that Anna Anderson was their missing relative, provided the DNA samples that fixed her identity.” \* If you happen to catch reruns of the 70s show _In Search Of…_ on the History Channel, one episode is devoted to this case and “Anna” is interviewed. I’m not sure if it was senility or drunkeness, but it was quite clear from watching the show that this was a old woman who was not in command of her faculties. ---
**Author:** ![Chickenhead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7cd45c/32.png) [@Chickenhead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chickenhead)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2001, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anastasia-romanov-really-live-through-the-execution/89364/11 "2001-10-25T05:35:02Z")
Yes I did. ---
**Author:** ![Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/50afbb/32.png) [@Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duck_Duck_Goose)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2001, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anastasia-romanov-really-live-through-the-execution/89364/12 "2001-10-25T13:59:57Z")
PBS NOVA doesn’t have the transcript posted, but it was “Anastasia Dead or Alive?” and it originally aired 05/21/96, if you wanna order it from WGBH. ---
**Author:** ![Cliffy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/59ef9b/32.png) [@Cliffy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cliffy)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2001, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anastasia-romanov-really-live-through-the-execution/89364/13 "2001-10-25T14:36:53Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Guinastasia \* > **Or Anastasia Romanova, if you will.** You’re right of course, but since we’re speaking in English on this board it’s not incorrect for us to apply English naming conventions when transliterating; after all, her _real_ name is written in Cyrillic. –Cliffy ---
**Author:** ![SisterCoyote](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/958977/32.png) [@SisterCoyote](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SisterCoyote)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2001, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anastasia-romanov-really-live-through-the-execution/89364/14 "2001-10-25T14:50:41Z")
In the excellent forensic book Dead Men Do Tell Tales by William Maples (unfortunately now deceased) the author spends an entire chapter on the Romanovs, whose skeletons he was allowed to inspect. He, too, concludes that Anastasia did not survive; partly from the tale the bones told, partly from eyewitness testimony from one of the men (Grigori Nikulin) who took part in the assassination. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2001, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anastasia-romanov-really-live-through-the-execution/89364/15 "2001-10-25T14:53:05Z")
Can you imagine what is was like when Anna Anderson and the guy pretending to be the Tsarevitch met? Both had to make the decision, is he real or another prentender? What if (s)he is real? Can I fake out a sibling? BTW I understand that the women survived the gunfire due to jewelry hidden in their clothing and were bayoneted or beaten to death. Damn Reds. ---
**Author:** ![Breezy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b3f665/32.png) [@Breezy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Breezy)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2001, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anastasia-romanov-really-live-through-the-execution/89364/16 "2001-10-25T14:57:44Z")
Thanks for all the info, everyone. Anastasia’s story is so sad! It’s too bad that Anna wasn’t Anastasia… The movie I watched really made it look like she was, but you know how movies are… They stray from fact a tad. haha Thanks again! :):)🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2001, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anastasia-romanov-really-live-through-the-execution/89364/17 "2001-10-25T17:15:24Z")
Well, Anna Anderson was used by a lot of people, who took advantage of an unstable woman. It was obvious she had some sort of mental illness, if you read about her-the many many cats and dogs that she kept, which made her home FILTHY-wall to wall pet food and litter and cat and dog poop everywhere-the smell was supposed to be hideous-the garbage piled up everywhere, the hording, the paranoia, etc etc. Okay, Anastasia and her sisters WERE wearing corsets with jewelry sewn in the lining. HOWEVER, Olga, who died almost instantly, was killed after being shot in the face. Yes, they were wearing corsets, but they did manage to bayonet them, eventually. Also, Anderson claimed that she along with her mother and sisters, were taken to Perm into hiding-which was the belief of the authors of the book _File on the Tsar_. This was later proven false. Two good books: _The Romanovs-the Final Chapter_ by Robert K. Massie, author of _Nicholas and Alexandra_, who also won a Pulitzer for his bio of Peter the Great. _Anastasia: the Riddle of Anna Anderson_ by Peter Kurth. This is what the tv movie, The Mystery of Anna, was based on. The movie, while inaccurate, was excellent, in my opinion, due to the actors and the very real bio of Anna herself. It didn’t really SAY whether or not she was the Real McCoy, but it was true that Anderson was in love with a German prince who was killed in the 2nd WW, from what I understand-a Heinrich Reuss. And I did like that Erik stood by her-that it didn’t matter to him WHO she was. And Omar Sharif was fantastic as Nicholas, even though he didn’t look like him at all. The movie also featured a young Christian Bale as Alexei. Although the part about the surgeon’s son leaving her alone-that’s not true-Gleb Botkin was one of her most vocal and often NASTIEST of supporters. He once wrote a horribly rude and very accusatory letter to her aunts, Xenia and Olga, whom he accused of denying their “niece” because of monetary concerns. And I believe he made these accusations VERY publically. Anyone who has studied the family and especially Olga Alexandrovna know that would be totally false. Olga A was probably closer to Anastasia than any of her other relatives. She did feel sorry for Anderson-then going by Anna Tchaikovsky-and sent her a scarf once, when she found out how sick and poor the woman was. But she said that there was no way it was her niece, that the real Anastasia had been like a daughter to her, and that Anderson mixed up many facts. And Anastasia’s tutors-Gilliard and Gibbes, also said Anderson wasn’t the real Anastasia. Gilliard, I will admit, was something of an anti-semite in later years, but he and Gibbes had seen Anastasia very shortly before the execution-so I would take their words. The Botkin children were also not as close to the children as they claimed-they only saw them once in a blue moon. They communicated through Dr. Botkin, their father, who was killed with the family-they would ask after one another, and say hi and send notes-but they were not frequent visitors to Tsarskoe Selo. (BTW, Anderson did not meet with the man claiming to the be the Tsarevich. It was another Anastasia wannabe-Eugenia Smith-who met with him.) ---
**Author:** ![IzzyR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/2acd7d/32.png) [@IzzyR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IzzyR)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2001, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anastasia-romanov-really-live-through-the-execution/89364/18 "2001-10-25T17:28:53Z")
Was she a full time pretender - did she make a living out of her act? Or she she live an ordinary life and in addition claim to be a duchess? ---
**Author:** ![DAVEW0071](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e19b73/32.png) [@DAVEW0071](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DAVEW0071)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2001, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anastasia-romanov-really-live-through-the-execution/89364/19 "2001-10-25T17:42:17Z")
You mean there wasn’t a long trip to Paris to meet the Dowager Empress, and her falling in love with the kitchen boy who saved her? And there was no little white bat named Bartok? And…and…and… Oh, I feel so used! What a fool I was to think that film was a documentary! Damn you, Don Bluth! All dogs may go to heaven, but you, sir, shall burn in the fiery pits of hell! ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2001, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anastasia-romanov-really-live-through-the-execution/89364/20 "2001-10-25T17:45:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SisterCoyote \* > **In the excellent forensic book Dead Men Do Tell Tales by William Maples (unfortunately now deceased)** I’m sorry, I just felt this little snippet should stand alone. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anastasia-romanov-really-live-through-the-execution/89364.md?page=2)