# Ancient Apocalypse....really? A "new" Netflix "documentary" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** netflix, documentary-bio\ **Created:** [December 14, 2022, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ancient-apocalypse-really-a-new-netflix-documentary/976510 "2022-12-14T14:24:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2022, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ancient-apocalypse-really-a-new-netflix-documentary/976510/61 "2022-12-31T17:37:07Z")
After doing some searching. The item I couldn’t remember is: Egyptian core 7. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2022, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ancient-apocalypse-really-a-new-netflix-documentary/976510/62 "2022-12-31T17:52:37Z")
When I Google it, here’s the first result: > [Egyptian Core 7 - Advanced Primitive Machining - viXra.org > https://vixra.org › pdf > ](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjC1MvWtaT8AhVHqXIEHeeQB-oQFnoECAgQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fvixra.org%2Fpdf%2F1503.0182v1.pdf&usg=AOvVaw08cKHBO0aOlNtecEXi3m4k) > > Based on the chemistry of minerals, Petrie’s “Infamous _Core_ #_7_” is shown to have been produced easily by milling techniques far less advanced than those … > > 4 pages ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2022, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ancient-apocalypse-really-a-new-netflix-documentary/976510/63 "2022-12-31T17:52:53Z")
> [@Grrr](#): > > Well I googled it at the time. And according to the real experts, it is true that it is a mystery how the carvings were made. But it’s easy to misrepresent “we have 7 hypotheses and we don’t know which is correct” as “scientists have no idea how this was made!” ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2022, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ancient-apocalypse-really-a-new-netflix-documentary/976510/64 "2022-12-31T17:53:07Z")
> [@Grrr](#): > > The with perfectly spaced small lines wrapped around it. “Perfectly” spaced line do not exist. ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2022, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ancient-apocalypse-really-a-new-netflix-documentary/976510/65 "2022-12-31T17:54:33Z")
Fair point ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2022, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ancient-apocalypse-really-a-new-netflix-documentary/976510/66 "2022-12-31T18:00:40Z")
‘_We don’t know how this was made._’ and ‘_We don’t know how they made this._’ almost always mean the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![abcdefghij](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/43a26b/32.png) [@abcdefghij](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/abcdefghij)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2022, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ancient-apocalypse-really-a-new-netflix-documentary/976510/67 "2022-12-31T18:03:54Z")
But “they had no known technology to make this” does not mean the same thing as “they had seven different technologies to make this, but we’re not sure which one they used” ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2022, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ancient-apocalypse-really-a-new-netflix-documentary/976510/68 "2022-12-31T18:13:45Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > ‘_We don’t know how this was made._’ and ‘_We don’t know how they made this._’ almost always mean the same thing. How is this relevant? I was noting the equivocation in a claim that scientists “don’t know”, where the two meanings are “we have no explanation” and “we don’t know which of several plausible explanations is correct”. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2022, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ancient-apocalypse-really-a-new-netflix-documentary/976510/69 "2022-12-31T18:27:20Z")
‘_We don’t know how this was made._’ implies, for some, that the making of this object is totally beyond our understanding. _We don’t know how they made this._’ AIUI, never means ‘They had no technology to make this so aliens must have helped them!’ is now on the table. It just means they knew techniques that we’re not aware of. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2022, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ancient-apocalypse-really-a-new-netflix-documentary/976510/70 "2022-12-31T18:29:10Z")
I don’t see the distinction that you claim in constructing the sentence with passive vs active. To my ear, they are both ambiguous and admit either possible meaning. And I’m confused, in your first post you said they mean the same thing, in your second post you say they mean something different? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2022, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ancient-apocalypse-really-a-new-netflix-documentary/976510/71 "2022-12-31T18:36:42Z")
> [@Grrr](#): > > After doing some searching. The item I couldn’t remember is: > > Egyptian core 7. Excellent! Thank you, now we can properly analyze the claim: > [@Grrr](#): > > The mystery was how were those lines carved considering they had no metals (or anything) at the time strong enough to make said carvings on this particularly hard surface. This is not exactly accurate. The core in question is not an artifact produced by Ancient Egyptians. Rather, it is what was left over after they drilled a hole in a block of granite. It’s a leftover, produced as a byproduct when they were making something else. The lines in question weren’t carved onto the cylinder once it was a cylinder. Rather, when drilling granite, under some conditions these regularly spaced lines are produced, and the technique used by the Egyptians accomplished this. As noted by others in the the thread, there are many ways for the Egyptians to have done this, and they definitely did have metal tools (Copper early on and later bronze). When paired with an abrasive (sand, emery, corundum, diamond) copper can certainly drill through granite. The only question is the detail. Is the abrasive loose, affixed to the pipe, or in a water slurry? Whicj method is the most practical while resulting in these regular spirals? That’s the question, not “how is it possible they did this at all?”. Here is some solid info on Egyptian drilling: > **[Expedition Magazine | Ancient Egyptian Stone-Drilling](https://www.penn.museum/sites/expedition/ancient-egyptian-stone-drilling/)** > > More than most technical procedures in the ancient world, drilling of hard stone such as quartz and granite has evoked \[…\] ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2022, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ancient-apocalypse-really-a-new-netflix-documentary/976510/72 "2022-12-31T18:37:42Z")
When an actual scientist says them they mean the same thing, when Graham Hancock says them they don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2022, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ancient-apocalypse-really-a-new-netflix-documentary/976510/73 "2022-12-31T18:38:50Z")
I’m still not really getting your point, but I think it’s not important. We’re in agreement that Hancock et al are deliberately equivocating to try to make it sound like scientists have no idea how this was possible, right? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2022, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ancient-apocalypse-really-a-new-netflix-documentary/976510/74 "2022-12-31T18:40:02Z")
Equivocating? Making shit up to make money more like. “to try to make it sound like scientists have no idea how this was possible, right?” Exactly. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2022, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ancient-apocalypse-really-a-new-netflix-documentary/976510/75 "2022-12-31T18:45:57Z")
All are variants of “Science can’t explain this!!!” with all the numerous exclamation points. The ambiguity turned into a negative is the secret sauce that creates doubt and wonder out of a mere lack of known precision. Pyramids are the ur-example of this. (Pun deliberate.) Pyramids are literally the simplest possible way of building tall. That’s why every civilization used them. Not “discovered” or “invented” them because they’ve been around in nature for ages. Pyramid technology consisted of muscle power and organization, which ants and termites already had. They are the exact opposite of advanced unearthly technology. How exactly the muscle power was applied was not rigorously recorded, admittedly, and has to be deduced from various clues, which allows some doubt about techniques. That’s what gets exploited into “Science can’t explain this!!!” All we can be absolutely, positively, beyond-a-shadow-of-a-doubt certain of is that no aliens need to have been involved. ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2022, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ancient-apocalypse-really-a-new-netflix-documentary/976510/76 "2022-12-31T19:19:03Z")
There’s little new in the approach that Hancock uses. It has been the mainstay of religious groups since man first cowered from a lightning storm. The tribe don’t know how it works, an enterprising shaman says he does and suggests that in the absence of a better explanation their “man in the sky” solution must be true. It was balls in the neolithic and it remains balls whenever, wherever and however it is applied. The _lack_ of an alternative theory give precisely zero weight to your own, unsubstantiated hypothesis. The world doesn’t work like that. You make a claim, you back it up. Nothing else matters. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2022, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ancient-apocalypse-really-a-new-netflix-documentary/976510/77 "2022-12-31T19:28:41Z")
“Science has no explanation for this” can mean many things. \*I’ve not spoken to any scientists about this. \*I’ve not actually researched the science about this. \*Science doesn’t give a crap about it because any moron could figure it out \*I’ve never progressed beyond Hardy Boys mysteries in my reading Add your own. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2022, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ancient-apocalypse-really-a-new-netflix-documentary/976510/78 "2022-12-31T19:53:08Z")
IMO it usually means: - I’m deliberately lying to you in every sentence because our advertisers _love_ gullible audiences for their commercials and my production company / network excels at attracting the gullible using pure BS-babble. Besides, it pays me very well. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2022, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ancient-apocalypse-really-a-new-netflix-documentary/976510/79 "2022-12-31T20:07:13Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > \*Science doesn’t give a crap about it because any moron could figure it out A variant on this one would be \*Science doesn’t give a crap about it because you haven’t demonstrated the existence of any phenomenon that _requires_ explanation. Thus it is technically true that scientists have no explanation for ghosts, homeopathy, dowsing, free will, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2022, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ancient-apocalypse-really-a-new-netflix-documentary/976510/80 "2022-12-31T20:48:53Z")
There’s a series on Hulu called “Found” that I tried to watch, because it seemed like a ‘found treasures’ type of thing. I made it through one episode. The guys that found one of the “treasures” thought that they had an ancient Minoan artifact (dug up in the back yard of their West Virginia home 🙄 ). It was clear from the get-go that the thing was made from manufactured material, and, as it turned out, was part of an old toy horseshoe tossing set. Any of these types of shows that use the annoying format of rehashing the entire story after every commercial in order to stretch out the implausible bullshit they’re trying to sell is a non-starter for me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ancient-apocalypse-really-a-new-netflix-documentary/976510.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ancient-apocalypse-really-a-new-netflix-documentary/976510.md?page=5)