# Ancient Knowlege of Lions **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [July 28, 2005, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ancient-knowlege-of-lions/314592 "2005-07-28T15:21:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Bippy\_the\_Beardless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ac8455/32.png) [@Bippy\_the\_Beardless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bippy_the_Beardless)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2005, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ancient-knowlege-of-lions/314592/1 "2005-07-28T15:21:52Z")
How widespread were Lions within pre-Roman times? How were they so well known a creature, thet Homer often alludes to characters being Lions, Lion-like, or attacking and stalking enimies like a Lion stalks its prey? Were there ancient zoos or circuses, or were lions more wide spread so as to be found in mediteranian Africa? Of course Lions are remarcably evocative beasts, but in the times of Homer (about 800 BCE) many fantastical beasts were believed to exist far more dangerous than a lion. ---
**Author:** ![Bippy\_the\_Beardless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ac8455/32.png) [@Bippy\_the\_Beardless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bippy_the_Beardless)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2005, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ancient-knowlege-of-lions/314592/2 "2005-07-28T15:29:14Z")
I tried a better Googling for “european lion” instead of the non-helpful lion distribution ancient. I get though confusing and conflicting cites, some about a European Lion that became extinct 10,000 years ago others about southern european lions that may have existed upto Christian times. Does anyone know if their is bone evidence for native european lions from a few centuries BC ? ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2005, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ancient-knowlege-of-lions/314592/3 "2005-07-28T15:35:38Z")
I remember from Latin class that there were Lions in southern Europe into historical times but most Lions were brought back from Africa. ---
**Author:** ![Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tapioca_Dextrin)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2005, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ancient-knowlege-of-lions/314592/4 "2005-07-28T15:36:55Z")
According to [url=“[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion)”]wikipedia, Roman emporers kept Barbary lions (now extinct, once lived from Egypt to Morocco) and the Asiatic Lion lived in Greece and Turkey. ---
**Author:** ![Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tapioca_Dextrin)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2005, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ancient-knowlege-of-lions/314592/5 "2005-07-28T15:44:04Z")
That didn’t go quite as planned. Let’s try a [map](http://www.asiatic-lion.org/distrib.html) instead. > [@](#): > > Aristotle and Herodotus wrote that lions were found in the Balkans in the middle of the first millennium B.C. When Xerxes advanced through Macedonia in 480 B.C., several of his baggage camels were killed by lions. Lions are believed to have died out within the borders of present-day Greece in A.D. 80-100. ---
**Author:** ![Baldwin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baldwin/32/7264_2.png) [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2005, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ancient-knowlege-of-lions/314592/6 "2005-07-28T15:57:31Z")
**Ancient Knowledge of Lions** Speaking of Barbary lions, I was surprised to find that there’s an effort underway to “resurrect” the species. Apparently, 20th Century Ethiopian rulers maintained lions that have the morphological characteristics associated with Barbaries; genetic testing is going on, with the ultimate aim of restoring Barbary lions to the wild. I hope this is all on the level: [Barbary Lions](http://www.tigertouch.org/barbary/history5.html). ---
**Author:** ![Bippy\_the\_Beardless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ac8455/32.png) [@Bippy\_the\_Beardless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bippy_the_Beardless)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2005, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ancient-knowlege-of-lions/314592/7 "2005-07-28T16:42:28Z")
Excellent, I had no idea there were Indian Lions alive until quite recently. Thanks y’all. ---
**Author:** ![rfgdxm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c0e974/32.png) [@rfgdxm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rfgdxm)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2005, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ancient-knowlege-of-lions/314592/8 "2005-07-28T16:56:12Z")
> [@Bippy the Beardless](#): > > How widespread were Lions within pre-Roman times? How were they so well known a creature, thet Homer often alludes to characters being Lions, Lion-like, or attacking and stalking enimies like a Lion stalks its prey? The ancient Greeks were quite familiar with Africa. Homer would have been familiar with the nature of lions from written accounts, even if he never saw one in the wild. ---
**Author:** ![Can\_Handle\_the\_Truth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Can\_Handle\_the\_Truth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Can_Handle_the_Truth)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2005, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ancient-knowlege-of-lions/314592/9 "2005-07-28T19:48:01Z")
Encyclopedia Britannica: > [@](#): > > Historically, they ranged across much of Europe, Asia, and Africa, but now they are found mainly in parts of Africa south of the Sahara. About 200 Asiatic lions constitute a slightly smaller race that lives under strict protection in India’s Gir National Park and Wildlife Sanctuary. > [@](#): > > During the Pleistocene Epoch (1,800,000 to 10,000 years ago), lions ranged across all of North America and Africa, through most of the Balkans, and across Anatolia and the Middle East into India. They disappeared from North America about 10,000 years ago, from the Balkans about 2,000 years ago, and from Palestine during the Crusades. ---
**Author:** ![kniz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/c37758/32.png) [@kniz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kniz)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2005, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ancient-knowlege-of-lions/314592/10 "2005-07-28T20:44:42Z")
I am reading [**A Short History of the World**](http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1566635071/qid=1122583151/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/104-1221318-6166303?v=glance&s=books) by Geoffrey Blainey. It says that the Assyian kings hunted the Asian lion from chariots. I’m glad to hear that a few have survived according to **Can Handle the Truth**. ---
**Author:** ![UncleBeer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/977dab/32.png) [@UncleBeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBeer)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2005, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ancient-knowlege-of-lions/314592/11 "2005-07-28T21:34:41Z")
Cecil discusses this, too. Kinda. [http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a4\_087.html](http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a4_087.html)