# And again -- who IS Sarah Palin **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 2, 2008, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-again-who-is-sarah-palin/461686 "2008-09-02T15:30:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2008, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-again-who-is-sarah-palin/461686/201 "2008-09-05T22:06:16Z")
> [@JThunder](#): > > Much more commonly used for right-wing content? You have got to be kidding. How do you think all that “Obama is a Muslim” misinformation gets disseminated? Check these out…and note how many are false, and how many were “collected via e-mail”. [http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/obama.asp](http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/obama.asp) ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2008, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-again-who-is-sarah-palin/461686/202 "2008-09-05T22:12:03Z")
I almost feel sorry for the Democrats. The more they attack Palin, the more popular she becomes and the more Obama drops in the polls. [RASMUSSEN: Palin More Popular Than Obama or McCain…](http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/palin_power_fresh_face_now_more_popular_than_obama_mccain) [CBSNEWS POLL: ALL TIED UP [AGAIN]…](http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/04/opinion/polls/main4416798.shtml) ---
**Author:** ![JThunder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e95f7d/32.png) [@JThunder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JThunder)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2008, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-again-who-is-sarah-palin/461686/203 "2008-09-05T22:21:50Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > How do you think all that “Obama is a Muslim” misinformation gets disseminated? For pity’s sake. Nobody’s denying that these claims get disseminated via e-mail. **NOBODY.** You didn’t merely say that e-mail is used to spread scurrilous anti-Obama messages. Rather, you specifically said that “it is \*\*much more commonly used \*\*for right-wing anti-Obama content.” (Emphasis added.) Obviously, you can’t prove such a claim simply by pointing to an “Obama is a Muslim” e-mail message and saying “See? See!?!?!?” ---
**Author:** ![interface2x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c0e974/32.png) [@interface2x](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/interface2x)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2008, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-again-who-is-sarah-palin/461686/204 "2008-09-05T22:22:06Z")
Tied? It’s closer - to be expected after the RNC. But still [not a tie](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html#polls)… ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2008, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-again-who-is-sarah-palin/461686/205 "2008-09-05T22:36:02Z")
> [@JThunder](#): > > For pity’s sake. Nobody’s denying that these claims get disseminated via e-mail. **NOBODY.** > > You didn’t merely say that e-mail is used to spread scurrilous anti-Obama messages. Rather, you specifically said that “it is \*\*much more commonly used \*\*for right-wing anti-Obama content.” (Emphasis added.) Obviously, you can’t prove such a claim simply by pointing to an “Obama is a Muslim” e-mail message and saying “See? See!?!?!?” I could post a link to the corresponding Snopes entry of scurrilous anti-McCain e-mails, which is virtually non-existent. But I’ll leave that as an exercise for the student. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2008, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-again-who-is-sarah-palin/461686/206 "2008-09-05T22:45:19Z")
JT, I will grant that you do pose an interesting question, that would make a good separate thread. Do bullshit emails tend to skew right-wing? If so, why? (and why are the ads on the bottom of the page all about flatulence?) ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2008, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-again-who-is-sarah-palin/461686/207 "2008-09-06T02:32:09Z")
And the hits keep on coming! Welcome to Dairygate! Highly slanted but ‘all the info in one place’ link. [http://www.ruralvotes.com/thebackforty/?p=321](http://www.ruralvotes.com/thebackforty/?p=321) > [@](#): > > Founded in 1936 as a dairy cooperative, Matanuska Maid was taken over by the state of Alaska in the 1980s when its private owner went bankrupt > … > Last year, due to variety of economic factors, Mat Maid lost a million dollars. In the summer of 2007, the Creamery Board, a subcommittee of Alaska’s Board of Agriculture and Conservation (BAC) used its authority over the state-owned dairy to turn down the failing company’s request for a $600,000 grant to keep it afloat. > > Incensed, Palin fired the entire BAC, saying the dairy simply needed proper management. The new BAC, composed of the relatives and friends of Wasila-area dairy farmers, took the powers of the Creamery Board to itself – a confict of interest that would have appointees in most states in jail or at least paying hefty fines. Dairy experience wasn’t required of the new board members. The board resurrected Mat Maid and handed over the $600,000. It raised the price of milk paid to the local dairy farms, in a transfer of wealth from non-farming taxpayers to those who had found favor in Palin’s eyes. > > Despite Palin’s efforts, in December Mat Maid’s directors shut it down. The state’s $600,000 grant, the grant the previous board had denied it, went down the drain – or, more likely, into the pockets of Palin’s family and neighbors. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2008, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-again-who-is-sarah-palin/461686/208 "2008-09-06T02:35:36Z")
What can I say? She’s the gift that keeps on giving! ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2008, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-again-who-is-sarah-palin/461686/209 "2008-09-06T02:52:56Z")
Holy shit, **E-Sabbath** , her corruption never seems to end! And now the Alaska Legislature has announced that it’s “fast-tracking” their findings on Troopergate and releasing the results of their investigation by October 10th, three weeks earlier than previously planned. They’re also issuing subpoenas, now that 7 witnesses have backed out of voluntary witnessing (gee, I wonder why). [http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h7VIY5GfDmjy-A5HsGLuHvA0SHtgD930NPGO0](http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h7VIY5GfDmjy-A5HsGLuHvA0SHtgD930NPGO0) ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2008, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-again-who-is-sarah-palin/461686/210 "2008-09-06T03:15:32Z")
> [@interface2x](#): > > Tied? > > It’s closer - to be expected after the RNC. But still [not a tie](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html#polls)… Whoa, wait a tick, IIRC it is typical for the candidate that is just ending his convention to get ahead in the polls by several points, if they are not even tied now I do begin to be really optimistic on seeing a Democratic victory on November. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2008, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-again-who-is-sarah-palin/461686/211 "2008-09-06T03:59:31Z")
I am going to repeat that the link I gave is _highly_ biased, but I can’t find a non-biased version of events yet. It’s a shiny new thing and hasn’t hit the mainstream. Expect it in a week, right? ---
**Author:** ![SmartAleq](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smartaleq/32/163_2.png) [@SmartAleq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmartAleq)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2008, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-again-who-is-sarah-palin/461686/212 "2008-09-06T05:19:46Z")
I swear there’s an echo in here… On page four I linked to a story about the Matanuska Dairy episode (among many others,) written by a former resident of the area. [whine] I don’t know why I even bother to write this stuff, nobody ever listens… [/whine] I’m telling you all–[GO READ THIS BLOG.](http://mudflats.wordpress.com/) Alaskan guy talking about Alaskan politics from an Alaskan point of view, and he knows the dirt. Just sayin’… Bristol’s pregnancy was leaked here first by a Wasilla resident in the comments on one of the blog posts. It’s all in here… ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2008, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-again-who-is-sarah-palin/461686/213 "2008-09-06T05:26:26Z")
> [@SmartAleq](#): > > I swear there’s an echo in here… On page four I linked to a story about the Matanuska Dairy episode (among many others,) written by a former resident of the area. [whine] I don’t know why I even bother to write this stuff, nobody ever listens… [/whine] > > I’m telling you all–[GO READ THIS BLOG.](http://mudflats.wordpress.com/) Alaskan guy talking about Alaskan politics from an Alaskan point of view, and he knows the dirt. Just sayin’… Bristol’s pregnancy was leaked here first by a Wasilla resident in the comments on one of the blog posts. It’s all in here… I’m sorry I missed it. ☹ Sometimes the “go to first post you haven’t read” button doesn’t actually take me to the first post I haven’t read in a thread, and I lose track of where I left off. I notice your posts though, enough to have a [girl crush](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10148357&postcount=162) on you (also on page 4). Hope that helps. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![SmartAleq](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smartaleq/32/163_2.png) [@SmartAleq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmartAleq)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2008, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-again-who-is-sarah-palin/461686/214 "2008-09-06T06:07:03Z")
I did notice that, **Shayna,** and one version of that post actually had a shout out at the bottom (are batted eyelashes frowned on in GD? Anybody got a style book?) but the server was being incredibly unresponsive and somewhere in the approximately fifty times I tried to post that thing the acknowledgement got lost. BTW, you ain’t so bad yourself, cookie! 😉 The whole thing about Palin is the sheer volume of crooked, nasty, and just plain weird stuff that’s come flying out of the closet–shit, a week ago we barely knew who the hell she was, and now we’re having to don hip waders to get through the muck this woman leaves behind her. So far my favorite is the AIP (Alaskan Independence Party–Todd Palin was a member as late as 2002) leader found wrapped in duct tape and tarp–f[rom the NY Times archives:](http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=940CE3DB153CF936A25753C1A962958260&scp=1&sq=joe%20vogler&st=cse) > [@](#): > > Remains of Alaska Separatist Are Identified > Published: October 15, 1994 > > Fingerprint tests show that human remains found in a gravel pit east of Fairbanks on Wednesday are those of Joe Vogler, the founder of the Alaskan Independence Party, who vanished in May 1993, Alaska state troopers said today. > > The discovery of the remains, following an anonymous tip to the authorities, apparently resolves a year-and-a-half-old mystery concerning Mr. Vogler, a folk hero throughout the state who was 80 when he disappeared from his home here. > > The blue tarp and duct tape in which the remains were wrapped, officials said, matched a description given by a convicted thief, Manfred West, who confessed last summer that he had killed Mr. Vogler in a plastic-explosives sale gone bad and had then buried him. Sheesh, you couldn’t possibly make this stuff up! It’s bizarre and freaky–it just boggles the mind that a vetting process could be so completely perfunctory as to miss this stuff. I mean shoot–McGovern had to dump Eagleton just because it came out the guy had had therapy, but this stuff is okay now? No wonder I’ve had a migraine for days–cognitive dissonance does that to me… ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2008, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-again-who-is-sarah-palin/461686/215 "2008-09-06T06:41:11Z")
> [@SmartAleq](#): > > I did notice that, **Shayna,** and one version of that post actually had a shout out at the bottom (are batted eyelashes frowned on in GD? Anybody got a style book?) but the server was being incredibly unresponsive and somewhere in the approximately fifty times I tried to post that thing the acknowledgment got lost. BTW, you ain’t so bad yourself, cookie! 😉 > > The whole thing about Palin is the sheer volume of crooked, nasty, and just plain weird stuff that’s come flying out of the closet–shit, a week ago we barely knew who the hell she was, and now we’re having to don hip waders to get through the muck this woman leaves behind her. So far my favorite is the AIP (Alaskan Independence Party–Todd Palin was a member as late as 2002) leader found wrapped in duct tape and tarp–f[rom the NY Times archives:](http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=940CE3DB153CF936A25753C1A962958260&scp=1&sq=joe%20vogler&st=cse) > Sheesh, you couldn’t possibly make this stuff up! It’s bizarre and freaky–it just boggles the mind that a vetting process could be so completely perfunctory as to miss this stuff. I mean shoot–McGovern had to dump Eagleton just because it came out the guy had had therapy, but this stuff is okay now? > > No wonder I’ve had a migraine for days–cognitive dissonance does that to me… I’m sorry… What did they miss again? That the founder of a party that Palin once said, “Have a nice year” to, managed to get himself killed buying or selling explosives? What in hell does that have to do with Palin? Obama complains about being asked to explain his close relationships with Bill Ayers and Tony Rezko, and you want to go after Palin for _that_? If you do, hang on to your hat because you’ll be giving the green light to McCain to hit Obama hard on his associations. ---
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2008, 8:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-again-who-is-sarah-palin/461686/216 "2008-09-06T08:40:03Z")
[QUOTE=SmartAleq] For the record, I called her “Governor Cupcake” because the name fits. s I could have gone with “Governor Terrorist,” for her involvement with the [Alaskan Independence Party](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaskan_Independence_Party) So, hey, “Governor Pants-on-fire” would work too. Heck, that last one would work too–[Sarah Palin’s first child was conceived out of wedlock,](http://www.americablog.com/2008/08/sarah-palin-and-children-conceived-out.html) by probably seven weeks or so. So maybe we could also go with “Governor Hypocrite,” for her stance on abstinence only sex educationi Fiscally conservative small government, anti pork? Riiiiiight… [McCain himself had “Mayor Porkbarrel” on his infamous list for several of her pet projects in Wasilla.](http://www.latimes.com/news/la-na-earmarks3-2008sep03,0,6145252.story) How about [“Governor Bookburner?”](http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/03/us/politics/03wasilla.html?bl&ex=1220587200&en=a5543a98005b8c75&ei=5087%0A) [How about “Governor God-Warrior?”](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html) [Huh, here’s a new one–how about "Governor Milkmaid?](http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/3/9330/95523/364/584429)" [/QUOTE=SmartAleq] I am in stunned awe - so many non-sexist winners to chose from with appropriate cites and everything! (and no i’m not being sarcastic.) ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2008, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-again-who-is-sarah-palin/461686/217 "2008-09-06T12:01:08Z")
Turns out, according to MSNBC, she lied about the jet. She didn’t sell it on e-bay; she sold it to a campaign contributor. And she didn’t sell it for a profit; she sold it at a loss. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2008, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-again-who-is-sarah-palin/461686/218 "2008-09-06T12:18:12Z")
Missed the Milkmaid one, Alec. Sorry! The thread moved kind of fast. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2008, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-again-who-is-sarah-palin/461686/219 "2008-09-06T12:47:00Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > I’m sorry… What did they miss again? That the founder of a party that Palin once said, “Have a nice year” to, managed to get himself killed buying or selling explosives? What in hell does that have to do with Palin? Obama complains about being asked to explain his close relationships with Bill Ayers and Tony Rezko, and you want to go after Palin for _that_? If you do, hang on to your hat because you’ll be giving the green light to McCain to hit Obama hard on his associations. What do we know about that so far? The articles I read suggested her husband was a member. The whole guilt by association thing is a crock of shit anyway. I don’t care if they knew some wack job or had him over for dinner , or took a campaign contribution from him. The thing that burns me is that they’ve been hammering away at Obama for months about his associations. Now here’s a woman with her own set of wacky friends and suddenly it’s irrelevant. I’m not interested in dumping on Palin over that , There’s plenty of other material. It might be relevant to at least point out the hypocrisy of those who hammered Obama for similar issues. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2008, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-again-who-is-sarah-palin/461686/220 "2008-09-06T13:32:46Z")
Palins love of giving birth gives a new problem. If McCain goes down and she becomes president, she might be the first pregnant president. Something new for America to deal with. It there a point during pregnancy that she would be unable to govern. it is not a long time for most births but she could have complications due to age. But god may want her to have a bunch more. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-again-who-is-sarah-palin/461686.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-again-who-is-sarah-palin/461686.md?page=12)