# And down goes Schneiderman! **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 8, 2018, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-down-goes-schneiderman/813793 "2018-05-08T01:35:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-down-goes-schneiderman/813793/81 "2018-05-11T16:58:58Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Only if the situation were genuinely analogous, which is to say that the “soon-to-break story” would have to be of accusations of personal misconduct that would lead to widespread calls for the accused person to resign. Sexual, in other words. Why the distinction? > [@](#): > > And note that I wouldn’t “conclude,” as you suggest, that it was a left-wing set-up any more than I’d “conclude” that a right-wing set-up had occurred. What I suggest in both situations is that investigation of accusations include the possibility that shenanigans may have played a role in the accusations being made. > > In other words, a connected left-wing person saying ‘it’s about to be Mike Pence’s time in the barrel’ and the news that broke was that a meeting with Russians Pence hadn’t previously disclosed, had occurred, then: that doesn’t suggest shenanigans. > > But if a left-wing person said ‘it’s about to be Mike Pence’s time in the barrel’ and that same day, four young men came forward with stories about Pence forcing himself on them, then: yes. I’d call for investigations into the men’s stories to include _the exact same questions_ I outlined in post #38 of this thread (but for the left instead of the right): > > \*\*\*Were any of these men seen in the company of [a known left-wing operative] recently? > \*\*\*Have any of them been recent recipients of mysterious gifts of property, cash, etc? > \*\*\*Have any of them recently been given lucrative contracts to work for a left-wing-associated business? Are you saying that all the Franken accusers fit this pattern or just that the first one was a Republican setup which happened to hit the jackpot when a bunch of other women came forward? > [@Ambrosio\_Spinola](#): > > In the too-crazy-to-believe-file, even for today’s world, an attorney for two of the women allegedly assaulted by Mr. Schneiderman [filed a letter brief](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4457445-Letter-Motion.html) in Michael Cohen’s case, requesting that any correspondence and documentation with his clients be kept under seal. In the course of this brief he doesn’t explain why he thought that sharing this information with Cohen and Donald Trump “some years ago” was such a great idea. > > In other words, the idea that Schneiderman was going to save us from Trump was misleading all along since Donald Trump has had dirt on Schneiderman for years. I’m skeptical of that. Schneiderman was certainly not acting anything like someone who was frightened of dirt that Trump may have had on him. ---
**Author:** ![Ambrosio\_Spinola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de0a6/32.png) [@Ambrosio\_Spinola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambrosio_Spinola)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-down-goes-schneiderman/813793/82 "2018-05-11T17:15:37Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > I’m skeptical of that. Schneiderman was certainly not acting anything like someone who was frightened of dirt that Trump may have had on him. I’ll reserve judgment, but it’s not all that hard to talk big in public and then just not do anything substantial where it counts. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-down-goes-schneiderman/813793/83 "2018-05-11T17:22:56Z")
Didn’t he sue him over Trump U and other matters? ---
**Author:** ![Ambrosio\_Spinola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de0a6/32.png) [@Ambrosio\_Spinola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambrosio_Spinola)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-down-goes-schneiderman/813793/84 "2018-05-11T21:50:39Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > Didn’t he sue him over Trump U and other matters? He did, but agreed to settle the case out of court just a few weeks after the election. The other matters have usually been in conjunction with other attorneys general, at least that I’m aware of. I’m not saying that Schneiderman _definitely_ wasn’t looking into allegations against Trump as vigorously as he could - but considering the [timing of some of Trump’s remarks](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/11/nyregion/eric-schneiderman-michael-cohen.html) it appears likely that Trump has had blackmail material on Schneiderman for five years or so now. Shame on Schneiderman for being blackmail-able, of course, but this needs looking into as well. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-down-goes-schneiderman/813793/85 "2018-05-11T22:06:38Z")
> [@kunilou](#): > > Then it’s not really BDSM, is it? That’s just being violent and cruel. In other words, just like protagonist of the book series we’re not mentioning. There’s a reason why the books are hated in the BDSM community. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2018, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-down-goes-schneiderman/813793/86 "2018-05-14T02:00:15Z")
> [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > Right now it goes to the legislature to pick a new AG to serve until the election in November. You know, just saying, Preet Bharara is free. > [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > It would be such an outstanding stroke of genius that I expect it has 0% chance of actually happening. > [@John\_Bredin](#): > > A New York Doper with a Democratic legislator _could_ [send](http://nyassembly.gov/mem/) that suggestion to his/her legislator. 😉 [Apparently we are far from the only ones who think this is a good idea](http://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2018/05/08/process-to-replace-state-attorney-general-schneiderman). A formidable woman, Solicitor General Barbara Underwood, took over as acting AG pending a permanent appointment. I think she’d be outstanding as a permanent choice as well. However, the article points out: > [@](#): > > Then, there is the big unknown: Will Preet Bharara, the former U.S. Attorney from Manhattan, jump into the race? > > Bharara has said nothing about his plans. But if he did run, many believe the high-profile prosecutor, critical of President Trump, would upend the race. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2018, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-down-goes-schneiderman/813793/87 "2018-05-15T13:18:10Z")
> [@Ambrosio\_Spinola](#): > > He did, but agreed to settle the case out of court just a few weeks after the election. He settled on terms that were thought to be unfavorable to Trump. The coverage at the time indicated that Trump decided to settle rather than have it hanging over him as he assumed the presidency. People don’t usually sue other people and force them into paying $25M as part of the settlement, accompanied by some pretty harsh language, if they’re afraid that the other side has blackmail material on them. It’s possible that Schneiderman didn’t know that Trump had this info. And as for Trump himself, my guess is that Trump probably forgot the info he had once received about Schneiderman. Trump has been involved with a lot over the years, and has interacted with an enormous number of people, and it’s probably too much for him to keep track of it all. Even in the event that he remembered the incident altogether, it’s likely that he would have forgotten the details and who provided the info etc., which would have made using it extremely difficult. Which is in addition to the fact that trying to blackmail an AG is pretty difficult to pull off, for someone like Trump who would be risking his own neck in the process. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2018, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-down-goes-schneiderman/813793/88 "2018-05-19T06:13:15Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > To paraphrase an online quip: > > Democrats: “It doesn’t matter that he’s a Democrat. He’s a vile abusive asshole.” > > Republicans: “It doesn’t matter that he’s a vile abusive asshole. He’s a Republican.” Where’s the “Like” button on this frickin’ thing? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2018, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-down-goes-schneiderman/813793/89 "2018-05-19T06:23:55Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > One, what you are typing isn’t true. B. Even if it were, so what? The proportion of Republican bashing to Dem bashing is at least 837172 to 1 on these boards. Why that’s ALMOST how many times worse the Republicans are than the Democrats in real life! :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Ashtura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ashtura/32/2963_2.png) [@Ashtura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashtura)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2018, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-down-goes-schneiderman/813793/90 "2018-05-19T07:16:56Z")
I find it interesting that Schneiderman goes down and then like a day later Avenetti has a bunch of new dirt on Trump and nobody knows where it came from. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2018, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-down-goes-schneiderman/813793/91 "2018-05-19T16:05:42Z")
> [@Ashtura](#): > > I find it interesting that Schneiderman goes down and then like a day later Avenetti has a bunch of new dirt on Trump and nobody knows where it came from. What new Fox News conspiracy theory is this? ---
**Author:** ![Xema](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/9de053/32.png) [@Xema](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xema)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2018, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-down-goes-schneiderman/813793/92 "2018-05-19T16:33:29Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Democrats: “It doesn’t matter that he’s a Democrat. He’s a vile abusive asshole.” > > Republicans: “It doesn’t matter that he’s a vile abusive asshole. He’s a Republican.” Excellent point. Sure is hard to think of any Democrat credibly accused of abusive behavior toward women whom Democrats didn’t promptly and fairly judge according to consistent moral principles. Nor did they ever attempt to smear the women who were victims. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2018, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-down-goes-schneiderman/813793/93 "2018-05-19T18:24:00Z")
> [@Xema](#): > > Excellent point. > > Sure is hard to think of any Democrat credibly accused of abusive behavior toward women whom Democrats didn’t promptly and fairly judge according to consistent moral principles. Nor did they ever attempt to smear the women who were victims. I can think of several before the #MeToo era, but since then the Democrats have actually been both consistent and on the right side morally speaking. And the Republicans have continued to be largely on the side of the status quo, which is essentially the side of abusers and misogynists. ---
**Author:** ![Xema](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/9de053/32.png) [@Xema](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xema)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2018, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-down-goes-schneiderman/813793/94 "2018-05-20T15:12:24Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I can think of several before the #MeToo era, but since then the Democrats have actually been both consistent and on the right side morally speaking. Great to hear that they have been consistent and morally right for almost 8 months now. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2018, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-down-goes-schneiderman/813793/95 "2018-05-20T15:18:28Z")
> [@Xema](#): > > Great to hear that they have been consistent and morally right for almost 8 months now. Actually, yes. This is great progress, and I’m very hopeful it will continue. Doing the right thing has to start sometime, and when it does, it should be praised. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2018, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-down-goes-schneiderman/813793/96 "2018-05-20T15:23:11Z")
> [@Xema](#): > > Great to hear that they have been consistent and morally right for almost 8 months now. Republicans are having trouble with 8 seconds. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2018, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-down-goes-schneiderman/813793/97 "2018-05-20T23:46:36Z")
Hey now; that’s _prolly_ only true if you mean “in a row”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-down-goes-schneiderman/813793.md?page=4)