# And If There Was Any Doubt About Dumbfucks in Detroit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 23, 2008, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-if-there-was-any-doubt-about-dumbfucks-in-detroit/438820 "2008-02-23T03:10:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2008, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-if-there-was-any-doubt-about-dumbfucks-in-detroit/438820/41 "2008-02-24T19:08:32Z")
[QUOTE=Tuckerfan] Try _Car and Driver_ or the outher automotive presses. Their stuff tends not to come up in news searches. [/quote] Sorry, but it’s not my job to substantiate your claims. > [@](#): > > Even if you don’t believe in global warming, don’t you want to screw the oil company or gas company or utility company?–Jay Leno On the other side, we have obstinate rationality. [http://web.mac.com/sinfonia1/iWeb/Global%20Warming%20Politics/A%20Hot%20Topic%20Blog/5F21FD4A-F83B-4C62-91F6-B04FBE517DB4.html](http://web.mac.com/sinfonia1/iWeb/Global%20Warming%20Politics/A%20Hot%20Topic%20Blog/5F21FD4A-F83B-4C62-91F6-B04FBE517DB4.html) ---
**Author:** ![Throatwarbler\_Mangrove](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8c91f0/32.png) [@Throatwarbler\_Mangrove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Throatwarbler_Mangrove)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2008, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-if-there-was-any-doubt-about-dumbfucks-in-detroit/438820/42 "2008-02-24T19:11:19Z")
His name is “Wagoner”. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2008, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-if-there-was-any-doubt-about-dumbfucks-in-detroit/438820/43 "2008-02-24T20:02:38Z")
[QUOTE=EJsGirl] Well, I’m your girl, **Una**. I could transport my two kids in a smaller, more fuel efficient car, but I don’t. The husband crams the Newfoundland dog into his vehicle usually (we take him to work with us every day). We seem to be poster children for wasteful American consumerism. Whoops. :smack: Certainly not what we talked about in college, is it? [/QUOTE] There is another way to look at it. You could buy a more fuel efficient car and sell your gas guzzler to someone else. Then you’d be committing the same offence as the automaker that sold you the gas guzzler in the first place. Society would be no further ahead, in fact the two vehicles in question will be producing more carbon dioxide than your gas guzzler alone, so you might as well enjoy your preferred auto. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2008, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-if-there-was-any-doubt-about-dumbfucks-in-detroit/438820/44 "2008-02-24T20:14:57Z")
[QUOTE=brazil84] Sorry, but it’s not my job to substantiate your claims. [/quote] Yes, well you seemed to be the only bothered by it. > [@](#): > > On the other side, we have obstinate rationality. > > [http://web.mac.com/sinfonia1/iWeb/Global%20Warming%20Politics/A%20Hot%20Topic%20Blog/5F21FD4A-F83B-4C62-91F6-B04FBE517DB4.html](http://web.mac.com/sinfonia1/iWeb/Global%20Warming%20Politics/A%20Hot%20Topic%20Blog/5F21FD4A-F83B-4C62-91F6-B04FBE517DB4.html) Since when is some guy’s blog “reality”? You’ve continued to spew your crap about AGW being a myth despite having your ass handed to you a number of times, I’m not about to waste any of mine debating you on the matter because it’s quite clear that you’ll continue to ignore the facts of it. ---
**Author:** ![Moirai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/96bed5/32.png) [@Moirai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moirai)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2008, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-if-there-was-any-doubt-about-dumbfucks-in-detroit/438820/45 "2008-02-24T20:33:49Z")
[QUOTE=Tuckerfan] That’s about to change, nearly everybody is going to start selling diesels in the US in the next couple of years. [/QUOTE] Ha- that last thing I want is a car that runs on diesel. The gas station near my house has diesel for something like $3.75 per gallon- even higher than what I pay for premium. No thanks. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2008, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-if-there-was-any-doubt-about-dumbfucks-in-detroit/438820/46 "2008-02-24T20:39:10Z")
[QUOTE=Tuckerfan] Yes, well you seemed to be the only bothered by it. [/quote] Whether I’m bothered or not, I will draw my own conclusions. > [@](#): > > Since when is some guy’s blog “reality”? 😕 I have no idea what your point is. > [@](#): > > , I’m not about to waste any of mine debating you on the matter because it’s quite clear that you’ll continue to ignore the facts of it. Lol. i.e. it’s quite clear that you will continue to ignore the facts. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2008, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-if-there-was-any-doubt-about-dumbfucks-in-detroit/438820/47 "2008-02-24T20:40:55Z")
[QUOTE=Tuckerfan] Ye\You’ve continued to spew your crap about AGW being a myth despite having your ass handed to you a number of times\ [/QUOTE] It’s what all the cool kids are doing now. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2008, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-if-there-was-any-doubt-about-dumbfucks-in-detroit/438820/48 "2008-02-24T20:41:26Z")
[QUOTE=EJsGirl] Ha- that last thing I want is a car that runs on diesel. The gas station near my house has diesel for something like $3.75 per gallon- even higher than what I pay for premium. No thanks. [/QUOTE] Yeah, but a diesel will get nearly double the mileage of your current vehicle (some of the new diesels outperform hybrids). Plus, if you’ve got a friend who owns a restaurant, you can get them to give you the leftover oil and run your diesel on that. (Of course, your exhaust will smell like french fries.) ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2008, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-if-there-was-any-doubt-about-dumbfucks-in-detroit/438820/49 "2008-02-24T20:46:21Z")
[QUOTE=brazil84] Whether I’m bothered or not, I will draw my own conclusions. [/quote] As is obvious. > [@](#): > > 😕 I have no idea what your point is. Next time don’t bring a knife to a gunfight. > [@](#): > > Lol. i.e. it’s quite clear that you will continue to ignore the facts. You mean ones like despite your best efforts to convince people that AGW is a myth, you’ve failed to convince anyone here of that? No, I don’t ignore those at all. Nor do I ignore the fact that 99% of the people claiming AGW to be a myth are either undegreed wankers or are in the pockets of the oil companies. _You_ OTOH. . . ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2008, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-if-there-was-any-doubt-about-dumbfucks-in-detroit/438820/50 "2008-02-24T20:54:08Z")
[QUOTE=Tuckerfan] Next time don’t bring a knife to a gunfight. [/quote] Ummm . . . does that mean I shouldn’t try to use logic to understand your nonsense? Ok. > [@](#): > > You mean ones like despite your best efforts to convince people that AGW is a myth, you’ve failed to convince anyone here of that? Lol. I guess that means the “consensus” is against me. But anyway, I’m talking about the facts that show catastrophic AGW is, to put it bluntly, a crock of shit. The facts that you have ignored. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2008, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-if-there-was-any-doubt-about-dumbfucks-in-detroit/438820/51 "2008-02-24T21:06:11Z")
[QUOTE=brazil84] Ummm . . . does that mean I shouldn’t try to use logic to understand your nonsense? Ok. [/quote] No, it means that if you’re going to claim the moral high ground, you shouldn’t post some wankfest to back up your position. > [@](#): > > Lol. I guess that means the “consensus” is against me. As is reality. (Damn that lefty bias of it.) > [@](#): > > But anyway, I’m talking about the facts that show catastrophic AGW is, to put it bluntly, a crock of shit. The facts that you have ignored. It’s kind of hard to ignore what _isn’t_ there. We’ve got animal and plant extinctions because of AGW, rising sea levels which threaten to wipe islands off the map in a couple of years, freakin’ tornadoes in the middle of winter (when they’re normally a spring or summer phenomena), and shit loads of other data. You, OTOH, simply continue to spout that it’s all in our imaginations. ---
**Author:** ![Moirai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/96bed5/32.png) [@Moirai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moirai)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2008, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-if-there-was-any-doubt-about-dumbfucks-in-detroit/438820/52 "2008-02-24T22:06:03Z")
[QUOTE=Tuckerfan] Plus, if you’ve got a friend who owns a restaurant, you can get them to give you the leftover oil and run your diesel on that. (Of course, your exhaust will smell like french fries.) [/QUOTE] I was behind a converted bus yesterday that was burning used cooking oil- it smelled heavenly (I am on a diet). In fact, it was [this one](http://bp0.blogger.com/_tKhRMhsfMP4/R2lneg6_rTI/AAAAAAAAABE/jtgeUKHFUJo/s1600-h/Artist+WEB+3.jpg), from CommonVision dot org. It was very cool. I have noticed that diesels tend to spew icky, reeking black smoke when I am behind them. Is that _better_ than the mostly invisible emissions from my current car? Seriously. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2008, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-if-there-was-any-doubt-about-dumbfucks-in-detroit/438820/53 "2008-02-24T22:11:29Z")
[QUOTE=EJsGirl] I have noticed that diesels tend to spew icky, reeking black smoke when I am behind them. Is that _better_ than the mostly invisible emissions from my current car? Seriously. [/QUOTE] It’s a different type of pollution. Rather than carbon dioxide, diesels emit oxides of nitrogen and more particulate matter (soot). Given that pollution is cumulative, would you rather have a lot that you can’t see, or less that you can? Incidentally, in order to meet the new diesel regulations, newer diesels are pretty clean, and light-years cleaner than the old shake-you-to-pieces rattraps that they used to be. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2008, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-if-there-was-any-doubt-about-dumbfucks-in-detroit/438820/54 "2008-02-24T22:21:54Z")
[QUOTE=EJsGirl] I was behind a converted bus yesterday that was burning used cooking oil- it smelled heavenly (I am on a diet). In fact, it was [this one](http://bp0.blogger.com/_tKhRMhsfMP4/R2lneg6_rTI/AAAAAAAAABE/jtgeUKHFUJo/s1600-h/Artist+WEB+3.jpg), from CommonVision dot org. It was very cool. I have noticed that diesels tend to spew icky, reeking black smoke when I am behind them. Is that _better_ than the mostly invisible emissions from my current car? Seriously. [/QUOTE] In addition to what **Airman Doors, USAF** said, biodiesel burns cleaner than fossil fuel diesel and has less soot particulates. Some of the new diesels qualify as very low emissions vehicles because their exhaust is so clean. ---
**Author:** ![Throatwarbler\_Mangrove](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8c91f0/32.png) [@Throatwarbler\_Mangrove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Throatwarbler_Mangrove)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2008, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-if-there-was-any-doubt-about-dumbfucks-in-detroit/438820/55 "2008-02-24T22:31:19Z")
Diesels (not Biodiesels) emit just as much CO2 as Gasoline. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2008, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-if-there-was-any-doubt-about-dumbfucks-in-detroit/438820/56 "2008-02-24T23:11:05Z")
[QUOTE=Throatwarbler Mangrove] Diesels (not Biodiesels) emit just as much CO2 as Gasoline. [/QUOTE] Per gallon or per mile driven? And why is biodiesel different than diesel carbon emissions wise ? ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2008, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-if-there-was-any-doubt-about-dumbfucks-in-detroit/438820/57 "2008-02-24T23:11:34Z")
[QUOTE=The Flying Dutchman] There is another way to look at it. You could buy a more fuel efficient car and sell your gas guzzler to someone else. Then you’d be committing the same offence as the automaker that sold you the gas guzzler in the first place. Society would be no further ahead, in fact the two vehicles in question will be producing more carbon dioxide than your gas guzzler alone, so you might as well enjoy your preferred auto. [/QUOTE] Only in that very limited scenario. Overall, millions of older cars head the scrapyards each year, and as the old poorly-fuel efficient ones die off, the newer, more efficient ones will be the ones handed down. Plus there’s a very good chance that someone who is tighter on money may be on the lookout for a car that uses less gasoline, as opposed to just taking a used dinosaur. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2008, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-if-there-was-any-doubt-about-dumbfucks-in-detroit/438820/58 "2008-02-25T00:09:35Z")
[QUOTE=The Flying Dutchman] Per gallon or per mile driven? And why is biodiesel different than diesel carbon emissions wise ? [/QUOTE] Per gallon, IIRC. Biodiesel’s different because the chemical make up of it is diferent than fossil oil. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2008, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-if-there-was-any-doubt-about-dumbfucks-in-detroit/438820/59 "2008-02-25T14:01:14Z")
[QUOTE=Tuckerfan] No, it means that if you’re going to claim the moral high ground, you shouldn’t post some wankfest to back up your position. [/quote] But it’s ok for you to “post some wankfest,” right? That’s just bringing a gun to a fun fight. Or something like that. > [@](#): > > It’s kind of hard to ignore what _isn’t_ there. We’ve got animal and plant extinctions because of AGW, rising sea levels which threaten to wipe islands off the map in a couple of years Which species and which islands? > [@](#): > > freakin’ tornadoes in the middle of winter (when they’re normally a spring or summer phenomena), Would that include the Great Southern Tornado Outbreak of February 19, 1884? ---
**Author:** ![Moirai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/96bed5/32.png) [@Moirai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moirai)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2008, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-if-there-was-any-doubt-about-dumbfucks-in-detroit/438820/60 "2008-02-25T20:27:36Z")
[QUOTE=brazil84] …which islands? [/QUOTE] Many are underwater or in danger- Kiribati, the Maldives, the Marshalls, bits of India… Cites [here](http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/disappearing-world-global-warming-claims-tropical-island-429764.html) , [here](http://worldislandinfo.com/blog/index.php/category/islands-in-danger/) , [here](http://www.ittc.ku.edu/view_article.phtml?id=119), [here](http://news.mongabay.com/2005/1124-reuters.html), and [here](http://www.physorg.com/news83866855.html), and that only took me a minute and I never got off the first 1/2 page of results. Okay, so that last cite isn’t about an island… but Louisiana is pretty important too! 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-if-there-was-any-doubt-about-dumbfucks-in-detroit/438820.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-if-there-was-any-doubt-about-dumbfucks-in-detroit/438820.md?page=4)