# And in Arizona: Investigation into fake electors appears to be heating up **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 19, 2023, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-in-arizona-investigation-into-fake-electors-appears-to-be-heating-up/988776 "2023-08-19T00:50:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2023, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-in-arizona-investigation-into-fake-electors-appears-to-be-heating-up/988776/1 "2023-08-19T00:50:51Z")
_Rolling Stone_ article indicates that the state AG office is investigating. Statement from AG Mayes: > [@](#): > > “We are investigating the fake electors situation. I understand why folks want to know what is happening in our investigation. That is a natural desire given what just happened in Georgia and in Michigan,” Mayes said. “But we are doing a thorough and professional investigation and we’re going to do it on our timetable as justice demands.” Says that there is also a federal grand jury convened. Apparently, the Arizona fake electors didn’t try to keep it secret, unlike the fake electors in Georgia and Michigan. They videoed it and then posted the video to social media; > [@](#): > > They actually have themselves on video doing it,” says one of the people familiar with the stage of the investigation. “It is as if Ward and everyone else were thinking: How do we make this a walk in the park for [the prosecutors]?” Link to article; may be paywalled; I used my one free RS monthly link on it: > **[Arizona Investigators 'Aggressively' Looking at Top Trump Ally Kelli Ward](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/kelli-ward-crosshairs-arizona-fake-electors-investigation-1234808925/)** > > Kelli Ward, a Trump ally and top Arizona Republican, is in the crosshairs of a state investigation into the fake electors scheme. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2023, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-in-arizona-investigation-into-fake-electors-appears-to-be-heating-up/988776/2 "2023-08-19T11:59:25Z")
Maybe they’ll scoop up Ginni Thomas in this one! > **[Ginni Thomas pressed 29 Ariz. lawmakers to help overturn Trump’s defeat,...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2022/06/10/ginni-thomas-election-arizona-lawmakers/)** > > The wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas urged that state lawmakers “choose” presidential electors, a responsibility that belongs to Arizona voters under state law. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2023, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-in-arizona-investigation-into-fake-electors-appears-to-be-heating-up/988776/3 "2023-08-19T12:39:42Z")
Oh, pleasepleaseplease. . . ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2023, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-in-arizona-investigation-into-fake-electors-appears-to-be-heating-up/988776/4 "2023-08-19T12:50:21Z")
Call it a “super snooper scooper.” ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2023, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-in-arizona-investigation-into-fake-electors-appears-to-be-heating-up/988776/5 "2023-08-19T15:12:53Z")
Hey, a girl can dream… ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2023, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-in-arizona-investigation-into-fake-electors-appears-to-be-heating-up/988776/6 "2023-08-19T15:52:49Z")
But that might upset Clarence\* though. \*Originally typoed as “clearance”, almost kept it. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2023, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-in-arizona-investigation-into-fake-electors-appears-to-be-heating-up/988776/7 "2023-08-19T16:22:09Z")
But surely then he’d have to recuse himself from Oh, I can’t even finish that. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2023, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-in-arizona-investigation-into-fake-electors-appears-to-be-heating-up/988776/8 "2023-08-19T17:46:27Z")
I really want this one to be completed and prosecuted to the fullest extent. I had a closer seat for watching the Arizona shenanigans than the other states pursuing the fake electors scheme. It’s been horrible to watch people I care about get sucked into all the lies and misdirection. No question they’ve been willing consumers, but I keep hoping something will break through. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2023, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-in-arizona-investigation-into-fake-electors-appears-to-be-heating-up/988776/9 "2023-08-19T21:42:16Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Apparently, the Arizona fake electors didn’t try to keep it secret, unlike the fake electors in Georgia and Michigan. They videoed it and then posted the video to social media; > > > [@](#): > > > > They actually have themselves on video doing it,” says one of the people familiar with the stage of the investigation. “It is as if Ward and everyone else were thinking: How do we make this a walk in the park for [the prosecutors]?” More like they were thinking: > Since we will control the government after Jan 6th, there is no concern about illegal or legal. The law is whatever we say it is. Righteousness is whatever we say it is. And we’ll be dictating that for our convenience for the indefinite future. IOW, the very definition of “impunity” as practiced in dictatorial and/or deeply corrupt shithole countries all over the world. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2023, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-in-arizona-investigation-into-fake-electors-appears-to-be-heating-up/988776/10 "2023-08-20T07:01:57Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Apparently, the Arizona fake electors didn’t try to keep it secret, unlike the fake electors in Georgia and Michigan. They videoed it and then posted the video to social media; They did the same in Georgia and Michigan. I remember videos posted to Youtube by fake electors showing themselves voting in all the contested states. There was no attempt to make it secret. [I asked a question at the time](https://law.stackexchange.com/questions/59454/have-the-alternate-elelectors-committed-a-crime) as to whether they were committing a crime. Didn’t get an answer back then. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2024, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-in-arizona-investigation-into-fake-electors-appears-to-be-heating-up/988776/11 "2024-04-24T23:16:53Z")
Indictments handed down for eleven of them: > [@](#): > > A state grand jury in Arizona on Wednesday indicted so-called “fake electors” who backed then-President Donald Trump in 2020, following a sprawling investigation into the alleged efforts to overturn Joe Biden’s win in the presidential election in the state. > > One month after the 2020 election, 11 Trump supporters convened at the Arizona GOP’s headquarters in Phoenix to sign a certificate claiming to be Arizona’s 11 electors to the Electoral College, though Biden won the state by 10,457 votes and his electors were certified by state officials. The state Republican Party documented the signing of the certificate in a social media post and sent it to Congress and the National Archives. > **[Trump’s 2020 'fake electors' charged with state crimes in Arizona](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trumps-2020-fake-electors-charged-state-crimes-arizona-rcna149214)** > > The indictments follow an investigation led by Arizona Attorney General Kris Mayes, a Democrat, into efforts to subvert the results of the 2020 election. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2024, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-in-arizona-investigation-into-fake-electors-appears-to-be-heating-up/988776/12 "2024-04-24T23:30:09Z")
And – from **[CNN](https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/24/politics/arizona-criminal-charges-2020-election-subversion/index.html)** – > [@](#): > > Boris Epshteyn, a former White House aide who remains one of Trump’s closest advisers, former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows and Rudy Giuliani are among those who have been indicted, according to a source familiar with the investigation. I love this cabal. Nothing bad could happen to them that would disappoint or offend me. Just … Good People. ETA: I’m going to use my extensive layperson’s legal experience (!) and assume that a conviction in any of these alternate slate of electors State prosecutions _could_ assist in Fani Willis’s RICO case in GA. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2024, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-in-arizona-investigation-into-fake-electors-appears-to-be-heating-up/988776/13 "2024-04-25T00:58:50Z")
Here is a link for the pdf: [https://www.washingtonpost.com/documents/60db1a4f-b6a8-4973-9b3c-6aefb53ac5e8.pdf?itid=lk\_inline\_manual\_5](https://www.washingtonpost.com/documents/60db1a4f-b6a8-4973-9b3c-6aefb53ac5e8.pdf?itid=lk_inline_manual_5) Some names have been redacted. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2024, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-in-arizona-investigation-into-fake-electors-appears-to-be-heating-up/988776/14 "2024-05-18T13:57:13Z")
John Eastman pleads “not guilty”: > **[John Eastman, former Trump lawyer, pleads not guilty in Arizona election...](https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/17/politics/john-eastman-arizona-not-guilty-plea/index.html)** > > Former Donald Trump lawyer John Eastman pleaded not guilty in Phoenix on Friday on charges related to allegedly participating in a conspiracy to overturn the 2020 election results in Arizona. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2024, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-in-arizona-investigation-into-fake-electors-appears-to-be-heating-up/988776/15 "2024-05-18T13:58:39Z")
And Rudy was served in Florida with the Arizona indictment: > **[Rudy Giuliani served with Arizona ‘fake electors’ indictment during 80th...](https://nypost.com/2024/05/18/us-news/rudy-giuliani-served-with-arizona-fake-electors-indictment-during-80th-birthday-bash-in-palm-beach/)** > > Giuliani was the last of the 18 defendants in the case to be served, Arizona officials said. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2024, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-in-arizona-investigation-into-fake-electors-appears-to-be-heating-up/988776/16 "2024-05-18T14:05:00Z")
Which is especially funny since he posted this last night: [![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GN1MIsoaAAA6Tqi.jpg:large) ](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GN1MIsoaAAA6Tqi.jpg:large) ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2024, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-in-arizona-investigation-into-fake-electors-appears-to-be-heating-up/988776/17 "2024-05-18T14:10:21Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > And Rudy was served in Florida with the Arizona indictment: Best news I’ve heard all day. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2024, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-in-arizona-investigation-into-fake-electors-appears-to-be-heating-up/988776/18 "2024-05-18T14:12:17Z")
That is absolutely delicious. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2024, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-in-arizona-investigation-into-fake-electors-appears-to-be-heating-up/988776/19 "2024-05-21T18:58:18Z")
Rudy and others arraigned in Arizona; judge threatens to mute Rudy as he rants about the case. > **[Judge threatens to mute Giuliani during arraignment in Arizona fake electors...](https://uk.news.yahoo.com/rudy-giuliani-others-expected-arraigned-154334450.html)** > > The charges include fraud, forgery and conspiracy. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2024, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-in-arizona-investigation-into-fake-electors-appears-to-be-heating-up/988776/20 "2024-05-21T19:01:42Z")
Worse than a subway rat, he is. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-in-arizona-investigation-into-fake-electors-appears-to-be-heating-up/988776.md?page=2)