# And John Kasich makes 16 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [July 21, 2015, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801 "2015-07-21T18:01:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![usedtobe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ec9cab/32.png) [@usedtobe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/usedtobe)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/221 "2016-03-20T21:51:01Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Old news here in Ohio: Kasich is erratic, impulsive, easily irritated and sometimes speaks without thinking. And THIS is the guy the “Moderate Republicans”\* view/viewed as their last, best chance? We now, ladies and gentlemen, have a scenario in which Cruz is viewed as the Savior of the GOP? Why do I suspect Goldwater ('64 and never again mentioned) is going to look absolutely electable by comparison? - - a critically endangered sub-species ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/222 "2016-03-20T23:27:37Z")
_John McCain_ says Kasich has a["hair trigger temper"](http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/john-kasichs-anger-management-120345). Well, he’d know. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2016, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/223 "2016-03-21T02:40:16Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Old news here in Ohio: Kasich is erratic, impulsive, easily irritated and sometimes speaks without thinking. Plus he’s a career politician, which indicates entitlement issues. All that being said, he’s well qualified for the Presidency and will do a fine job. Nobody’s perfect and Kasich’s faults are less problematic than most Presidential prospects. The latest general election polling has him up to 21%, even though he’s still in third. Still, a dramatic improvement and it shows that establishment support is finally starting to coalesce around him. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2016, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/224 "2016-03-21T14:43:09Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > …it shows that establishment support is finally starting to coalesce around him. …having absolutely no other choice. So, great: Everybody’s Last Choice vs. Religious Loon vs. Complete Nutbar. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2016, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/225 "2016-03-21T14:46:33Z")
They do have the choice to coalesce around Trump. The other guys, including Kasich, all have said they’d endorse him if he were the nominee. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2016, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/226 "2016-03-21T16:09:58Z")
> [@Dr.Drake](#): > > …having absolutely no other choice. > > So, great: Everybody’s Last Choice vs. Religious Loon vs. Complete Nutbar. Is that sort of like Churchill’s WWII lament that the Americans could always be counted on to do the right thing … as soon as they’d finished trying all the wrong things? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2016, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/227 "2016-03-21T17:46:31Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > They do have the choice to coalesce around Trump. The other guys, including Kasich, all have said they’d endorse him if he were the nominee. Then again…: [Politics | News from The Advocate](http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/03/rubio_kasich_ponder_whether_th.html) ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2016, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/228 "2016-03-21T19:01:48Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Old news here in Ohio: Kasich is erratic, impulsive, easily irritated and sometimes speaks without thinking. And yet somehow, at the debates, he managed to look like the grownup in the room – compared with the others. But, a 12-year-old could have pulled that off. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2016, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/229 "2016-03-23T01:25:26Z")
Kasich would be the most right-wing of any nominee since Goldwater and Reagan, so it’s indicative of modern Republcian double-speak that he is now called “the moderate.” :smack: (Yes, Kasich is a “moderate” compared with the other cretins and maniacs on the GOP stage.) Obviously Kasich has an anti-people pro-corporation economic agenda. [Samantha Bee takes a look at Kasich’s stand on social issues.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6y_AeJXUdM) ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2016, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/230 "2016-03-23T03:16:24Z")
We’re seeing similar ideological extremism on the Democratic side nowadays though. Abortion with no limits and federally funded, non-enforcement of immigration laws, extension of taxpayers benefits to unauthorized immigrants, rolling back the very reforms that reduced the crime rate in the 90s, opposition to trade(yeah, I know they are lying, but that’s their official position), and a renewed push for gun control. We’ve also learned from the past few years that anytime they object to accusations that they are somewhat more extreme than what they are saying, they are usually lying. Just take any Hillary Clinton indignant objection from 2008 and look at what she’s saying in 2016. Then imagine what she’ll think in 2024. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2016, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/231 "2016-03-23T04:36:29Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > … Exaggerate much? > [@](#): > > Hillary Clinton … imagine what she’ll think in 2024. 😕 In 2024 she’ll be a lame-duck castrated by “the Biden rule.” Are you predicting Chelsea will be front-runner to succeed her mother? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2016, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/232 "2016-03-23T04:53:49Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > We’re seeing similar ideological extremism on the Democratic side nowadays though. > > Abortion with no limits and federally funded, Not likely, very few would advise for that. > [@adaher](#): > > non-enforcement of immigration laws, :rolleyes: > **[U.S. deportations of immigrants reach record high in 2013](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2014/10/02/u-s-deportations-of-immigrants-reach-record-high-in-2013/)** > > The Obama administration deported a record 438,421 unauthorized immigrants in fiscal year 2013, continuing a streak of stepped up enforcement that has resulted in 2 million deportations since Obama took office. > [@](#): > > U.S. deportations of immigrants reach record high in 2013 > [@adaher](#): > > extension of taxpayers benefits to unauthorized immigrants, :rolleyes: > **[Study Finds Illegal Immigrants Pay $11.8B in Taxes](https://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/04/16/Study-Finds-Illegal-Immigrants-Pay-118B-Taxes)** > > A new nationwide study on the fiscal implications of illegal immigration concludes that millions of undocumented im > [@](#): > > Study Finds Illegal Immigrants Pay $11.8B in Taxes > [@adaher](#): > > rolling back the very reforms that reduced the crime rate in the 90s, :rolleyes: [QUOTE] Why The War on Drugs Is a Huge Failure -Kurzgesagt – In a Nutshell [/QUOTE] [snip] > [@adaher](#): > > We’ve also learned from the past few years that anytime they object to accusations that they are somewhat more extreme than what they are saying, they are usually lying. Just take any Hillary Clinton indignant objection from 2008 and look at what she’s saying in 2016. Then imagine what she’ll think in 2024. What I understood is that conditions and opinions change, demanding otherwise we get the Tea Party, and no compromise or negotiation. What you call lies are really coming from the sources you rely on. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2016, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/233 "2016-03-23T05:01:02Z")
Her positions are whatever she needs to win a nomination and/or election. In 2008, that meant opposition to DLs for illegals and opposition to gay marriage. So if you think she actually believes something more extreme than her stated position, but that she has to keep it on the downlow for now, you’re probably right. And given her past record, such accusations are fair game. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2016, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/234 "2016-03-23T05:42:11Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Her positions are whatever she needs to win a nomination and/or election. In 2008, that meant opposition to DLs for illegals and opposition to gay marriage. > > So if you think she actually believes something more extreme than her stated position, but that she has to keep it on the downlow for now, you’re probably right. And given her past record, such accusations are fair game. Fair game for conservatives that want to let others know about their inhumanity, seems to me that what they want to conserve does not take into account the changing times. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2016, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/235 "2016-03-23T15:03:55Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Old news here in Ohio: Kasich is erratic, impulsive, easily irritated and sometimes speaks without thinking. So why isn’t he doing as well as Trump? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2016, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/236 "2016-03-23T15:10:58Z")
In a three-person race, it’s pretty sad to come in fourth, as he did in Arizona. On the other hand he came in second in Utah. I don’t understand the logic for his staying in the race when other candidates who did better (though still not great, e.g. Rubio) left. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2016, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/237 "2016-03-23T15:16:30Z")
He hates Cruz more than he hates Trump? ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2016, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/238 "2016-03-23T16:18:42Z")
> [@Dr.Drake](#): > > In a three-person race, it’s pretty sad to come in fourth, as he did in Arizona. On the other hand he came in second in Utah. I don’t understand the logic for his staying in the race when other candidates who did better (though still not great, e.g. Rubio) left. Kasich’s logic remains as it has since day one. Namely that there’s still a non-zero chance the R Establishment will hijack the convention and give it to somebody other than Trump or Cruz. Being the last Establishment-acceptable candidate in the running could be the path to the his nomination. Reminds me of the old joke: > [@Joke](#): > > A devout christian is praying: “Dear god, pleeease let me win the lottery! I promise to spend almost all of it on widows & orphans and donations to the church. I’ve been praying for this for years and yet I’ve never won! Please, lord, do it this time!! You won’t regret it!” > > A giant voice comes down from the clouds: “Meet me halfway Bob; buy a ticket!” Kasich is buying his lottery ticket & hoping his god strikes fair for him. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2016, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/239 "2016-03-23T16:28:19Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > He hates Cruz more than he hates Trump? Doesn’t everyone? ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2016, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/240 "2016-03-23T16:29:35Z")
Yes, I get that. But the same strategy would have worked equally well for Rubio or Bush, both of whom would probably get it over Kasich in the lottery scenario. What I don’t understand is why they left but he stayed. (I think, if I’m following the numbers right, that Cruz is now also mathematically unable to win on the first ballot unless he takes something like 92% of the remaining delegates, but Cruz can obviously hope that Trump shoots himself in the foot. At least Trump is aiming footwards and firing almost daily.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801.md?page=13)