# And John Kasich makes 16 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [July 21, 2015, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801 "2015-07-21T18:01:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2016, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/241 "2016-03-23T17:02:46Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Kasich would be the most right-wing of any nominee since Goldwater and Reagan, so it’s indicative of modern Republcian double-speak that he is now called “the moderate.” :smack: > (Yes, Kasich is a “moderate” compared with the other cretins and maniacs on the GOP stage.) > > Obviously Kasich has an anti-people pro-corporation economic agenda. [Samantha Bee takes a look at Kasich’s stand on social issues.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6y_AeJXUdM) It may be news to Samantha Bee, but opposing late term abortions is not an extreme position. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2016, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/242 "2016-03-23T17:26:02Z")
That’s one of the problems Democrats are having. Whenever a Democrat is in office for awhile they get overconfident and start calling even the status quo extreme and their positions mainstream. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2016, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/243 "2016-03-23T18:37:17Z")
> [@Dr.Drake](#): > > Yes, I get that. But the same strategy would have worked equally well for Rubio or Bush, both of whom would probably get it over Kasich in the lottery scenario. What I don’t understand is why they left but he stayed. > > (I think, if I’m following the numbers right, that Cruz is now also mathematically unable to win on the first ballot unless he takes something like 92% of the remaining delegates, but Cruz can obviously hope that Trump shoots himself in the foot. At least Trump is aiming footwards and firing almost daily.) We need to find out who sold him Kevlar shoes. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2016, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/244 "2016-03-23T18:47:20Z")
> [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](#): > > It may be news to Samantha Bee, but opposing late term abortions is not an extreme position. 😕 Are we talking about the same John Kasich? He opposes _first_ trimester abortions except in a few cases (rape, etc.). No, I’m not suggesting he’s violated the law Roe-v-Wade, just informing you of his preference. Under his leadership, more anti-abortion than any other Governor, Ohio has created a number of obstacles to abortion, even discouraging non-surgical abortions. He led the way in both the defunding of Planned Parenthood and mandatory ulrasounds. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2016, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/245 "2016-03-23T20:58:39Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > So why isn’t he doing as well as Trump? 😃 He doesn’t have Trump’s raw sexual magnetism. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2016, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/246 "2016-04-01T19:38:06Z")
According to Kasich, [the “majority community” is making gains in infant mortality, but since it isn’t being improved in the black community, it must be the black community’s fault.](http://winningdemocrats.com/what-kasich-said-about-black-people-might-be-the-most-racist-statement-in-this-campaign-yet-video/) ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2016, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/247 "2016-04-02T02:49:30Z")
Sounds like something Obama would have said and won praise for. But since Kasich said it… ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2016, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/248 "2016-04-02T22:25:05Z")
Why would Obama ever say that a problem in the black community is the fault of the black community? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2016, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/249 "2016-04-02T22:28:20Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Sounds like something Obama would have said and won praise for. But since Kasich said it… I seriously doubt that Obama would say something that implied that the death of a new mother’s child is the fault of the black community. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2016, 8:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/250 "2016-04-03T08:31:18Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Why would Obama ever say that a problem in the black community is the fault of the black community? That’s one of the ways he vaulted over all the other African-American politicians who had been in politics longer than he had, yet were not considered Presidential prospects. > **[Obama Criticizes Black Community: "There's An Old Saying That If America Has...](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/obama-criticizes-black-co_n_47544)** > > Obama Criticizes Black Community: "There's An Old Saying That If America Has A Cold, We Have Pneumonia" ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2016, 8:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/251 "2016-04-03T08:32:29Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I seriously doubt that Obama would say something that implied that the death of a new mother’s child is the fault of the black community. Kasich’s statement only implies such a thing if you interpret it in the most uncharitable way possible, something you have never been prone to do to Democrats’ statements. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2016, 11:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/252 "2016-04-03T11:02:54Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Kasich’s statement only implies such a thing if you interpret it in the most uncharitable way possible, something you have never been prone to do to Democrats’ statements. Not sure how else to interpret it. It’s an absurd statement - infant mortality rates have always been a measure of the availability of medical service and things like that, not about the character of the community. ---
**Author:** ![inscrutable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a88e4f/32.png) [@inscrutable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/inscrutable)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2016, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/253 "2016-04-03T13:43:20Z")
It’s not PC to suggest that a community take responsibility for the consequences of its destructive counter-culture. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2016, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/254 "2016-04-03T13:55:26Z")
Kasich said, “the community itself is going to have to have a better partnership with all of us to begin to solve that problem with infant mortality in the minority community.” What exactly is he talking about? What is the minority community’s specific failure? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2016, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/255 "2016-04-03T21:21:20Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Not sure how else to interpret it. It’s an absurd statement - infant mortality rates have always been a measure of the availability of medical service and things like that, not about the character of the community. I guess he could have just blamed Medicaid, although the international experience shows that availability is not the whole story: > **[List of countries by infant and under-five mortality rates](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_infant_mortality_rate)** > > The under-five mortality rate (U5MR) is the number of deaths of infants and children under five years old per 1000 live births. The under-five mortality rate for the world is 39 deaths according to the World Bank and the World Health Organization (WHO). 5.3 million children under age five died in 2018, 14,722 every day. > The infant mortality rate is the number of deaths of infants under one year old per 1,000 live births. This rate is often used as an indicator of the level of health in a count... Britain and Canada are in theory 100% universal, single payer, but lag some other countries that do not have single payer, as well as some countries that are poorer. Now it could be that racial disparities are a similar problem there, but I doubt the state is discriminating against minorities in those places as far as access to health care. The doctors would have to be doing it. What Kasich seemed to be referring to was that the government, as in Medicaid, and minority communities need to work better together. Minorities aren’t being as diligent at getting prenatal care seems to be his actual insinuation. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2016, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/256 "2016-04-03T21:23:07Z")
According to this cite, African-American and Latino women do actually delay seeking prenatal care compared to white women: [http://www.cchosp.com/cchpage.asp?p=1966](http://www.cchosp.com/cchpage.asp?p=1966) ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2016, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/257 "2016-04-04T01:52:31Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > According to this cite, African-American and Latino women do actually delay seeking prenatal care compared to white women: > > [http://www.cchosp.com/cchpage.asp?p=1966](http://www.cchosp.com/cchpage.asp?p=1966) And that couldn’t have anything to do with their respective economic positions, now, could it? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2016, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/258 "2016-04-04T02:05:29Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > According to this cite, African-American and Latino women do actually delay seeking prenatal care compared to white women: > > [http://www.cchosp.com/cchpage.asp?p=1966](http://www.cchosp.com/cchpage.asp?p=1966) I didn’t realize Chester County could stand in for the entire country. > [@](#): > > Pregnant Hispanic and African American women seek prenatal care later in their pregnancies compared to Caucasian women. As a result, the percentage of African American babies born in Chester County with low birth weight is significantly higher compared to white and Hispanic babies. Further, infant mortality rates in Chester County are also significantly higher for black infants (13.62 per 1000) than all other races/ethnicities tracked (3.99 overall). ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2016, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/259 "2016-04-04T02:32:14Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > And that couldn’t have anything to do with their respective economic positions, now, could it? Does the reason really matter? Yes it is likely for a couple of reasons - one of which will undoubtably be economic affordability (another is likely access and availability of convenient care)… The thrust though is to acknowledge a) Yes - this is a problem b) Something needs to be done about it c) Any solution will involve both the community in question and the providers of care Why is that so controversial? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2016, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/260 "2016-04-04T03:49:45Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > And that couldn’t have anything to do with their respective economic positions, now, could it? Sure it could. If only we could solve the problems of poor communities by making them wealthier. Or maybe, as Kasich said, we could try to ameliorate specific problems through better partnerships. Even if we assume a particular problem isn’t a community’s fault, it still won’t get solved without their help. Turning a poor, dysfunctional community into a middle class, productive community isn’t something government just does to people. The current President would be the first to say that it takes people getting involved in solving their own problems. Of course, he can say that. Kasich can’t. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801.md?page=14)