# And John Kasich makes 16 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [July 21, 2015, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801 "2015-07-21T18:01:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2015, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/41 "2015-10-08T15:12:36Z")
And in addition to being racist, our GOP ‘moderate’ [is sexist as well](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/john-kasich-female-college-student): > [@](#): > > During a town hall campaign stop at the [University of Richmond] campus, Kasich reportedly told a female student with a laugh, "I’m sorry, I don’t have any Taylor Swift tickets” when she “was nearly jumping out of her seat to get noticed,” The Collegian reported. > > At another point, he told another female student, "I’m sure you get invited to all of the parties,” according to the college paper. Because that’s the only thing that matters about a woman: is she a sexy babe? More at [Jezebel](http://theslot.jezebel.com/john-kasich-shushes-female-student-at-town-hall-i-dont-1735275880). ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2015, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/42 "2015-10-08T16:43:32Z")
He’s taking some heat for comments about Latinos in service jobs, too: [USA TODAY - Breaking News and Latest News Today](http://onpolitics.usatoday.com/2015/09/19/john-kasich-tipping-latina-maid/) ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/43 "2015-10-09T23:31:09Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Not scrutinized? I think that Kasich has been in public life long enough that there’s not much to scrutinize that hasn’t already been. He’s probably the most experienced candidate in either party. Would you say that Hillary Clinton “has been in public life long enough that there’s not much to scrutinize that hasn’t already been?” Because you sure do like to criticize and scrutinize her. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2015, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/44 "2015-10-10T00:02:09Z")
It’s interesting to read about the _most moderate_ of the GOP contenders. > [@RTFirefly](#): > > [John Kasich is a racist and general waste of oxygen.](http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/09/law-john-kasich-wrote-now-keeping-food-stamps-minorities-ohio) > > Short version: > > 1. The 1996 welfare reforms, which Kasich helped write, instituted a 3-month limit on how long in any 3-year period healthy, childless adults could get food stamps, unless they were employed or in a training program for at least 20 hours a week. But the 1996 laws allowed states to seek waivers to this time limit for areas with especially high unemployment. > > 2. Ohio has been eligible for a statewide waiver every year since 2007. But for 2014 and 2015, Kasich only asked for waivers for 16 and 17 counties, respectively, out of Ohio’s 88 counties. Most of these were rural counties with small and predominantly white populations. Urban counties and cities, most of which had high minority populations, did not get waivers. And Kasich’s people rammed this policy through for 2014 before anyone had any chance to object. > > 3. And, funny thing, across the 16 counties the state had selected for waivers, about 94 percent of food stamp recipients were white. > > So just like all other Republicans, really, the problem for Kasich isn’t big government, but rather making sure that Federal boodle goes to all the Right People and none of the Wrong People. > > That’s the GOP’s ‘moderate’ candidate. Wears a suit, not a sheet, while engaging in separate-but-unequal policies. > > What a worthless excuse for a human being. And yet, the GOP base hates him for being too compassionate: > [@BrainGlutton](#): > > The governor’s response was fiery. “I don’t know about you, lady,” he said as he pointed at Kendrick, his voice rising. “But when I get to the pearly gates, I’m going to have an answer for what I’ve done for the poor.” > > The exchange left many stunned. About 20 audience members walked out of the room, and two governors also on the panel, Nikki Haley of South Carolina and Bobby Jindal of Louisiana, told Kasich they disagreed with him. The Ohio governor has not been invited back to a Koch seminar — opportunities for presidential aspirants to mingle with the party’s rich and powerful — in the months since. What a sad sad ugly joke the GOP has become. At this point, ¡Jeb! 's older brother is looking like a compassionate good-spirited man compared with any of these evil hypocrites. He was the least qualified President in history, but that record will be broken if _any_ of these ninnies win. If the GOP candidate does get 51% of the vote come November 2016, we can all groan at the stupidity of Americans. But even if he loses, he’ll have gotten 47% of the vote or so. :smack: Heaven help America. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2015, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/45 "2015-10-10T01:19:33Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > [John Kasich is a racist and general waste of oxygen.](http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/09/law-john-kasich-wrote-now-keeping-food-stamps-minorities-ohio) > > Short version: > > 1. The 1996 welfare reforms, which Kasich helped write, instituted a 3-month limit on how long in any 3-year period healthy, childless adults could get food stamps, unless they were employed or in a training program for at least 20 hours a week. But the 1996 laws allowed states to seek waivers to this time limit for areas with especially high unemployment. > > 2. Ohio has been eligible for a statewide waiver every year since 2007. But for 2014 and 2015, Kasich only asked for waivers for 16 and 17 counties, respectively, out of Ohio’s 88 counties. Most of these were rural counties with small and predominantly white populations. Urban counties and cities, most of which had high minority populations, did not get waivers. And Kasich’s people rammed this policy through for 2014 before anyone had any chance to object. > > 3. And, funny thing, across the 16 counties the state had selected for waivers, about 94 percent of food stamp recipients were white. > > So just like all other Republicans, really, the problem for Kasich isn’t big government, but rather making sure that Federal boodle goes to all the Right People and none of the Wrong People. > > That’s the GOP’s ‘moderate’ candidate. Wears a suit, not a sheet, while engaging in separate-but-unequal policies. > > What a worthless excuse for a human being. First, Motherjones is nothing but a partisan screed magazine, full of ragey liberals that have nothing to say because they can barely speak for all the foam exploding out of their mouths. So anything they write mus be considered intrinsically so partisan as to be of no value whatsoever. They are the lefty equivalent (along with terrible outlets like Rolling Stone and such) of the Washington Times or Fox News. Secondly, Kasich requested the waiver in counties primarily in Appalachian Ohio–just as others had suggested, these have long been systemically the poorest counties in most states that have Appalachian counties. The fact that they are white is of little relevance, most of these counties lack any social services and many lack any real economy. Most of Ohio’s minority poor live in counties with much higher levels of social service availability. [This](http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2014/08/ohio_officials_renew_decision.html) article explains that while most of the counties were Appalachian, the reason for the decision was that the counties chosen had, for the last 24 months, unemployment rates exceeding 120% of the national average. If John Kasich is a racist, at least provide a little evidence (the Mother Jones article does not) that any excluded counties also satisfied this criteria. If you cannot, it is de facto proof you are wrong and Kasich is not a racist for the reasons you laid out here. [This](http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2014/08/food_stamp_discrimination_alle.html) article details the beginnings of lawsuits against Kasich over this issue. They are specifically bitching that Cuyahoga County, where Cleveland is, isn’t a recipient of the waiver, given a legal society from Columbus is also suing I’m presuming Franklin County is also being cited as a high-minority county that should’ve received a waiver. Cuyahoga’s unemployment rate recently was around 5%, below the national average. Franklin’s is 3.6%, Hamilton is 3.9% (where Cincinnati is), Montgomery County (where Dayton is) is 4.3%, Lucas County (Toledo) is 4.5%. Now, I’m not the one making claims against Kasich–that is you, so you’re the one who will have to vet the 24 month average unemployment rates for the months prior to the decision not to grant those waivers. But at least based on current data, the large urban counties in Ohio all have lower unemployment rates than the national average. And all of the highest unemployment counties are what you’d classify as rural counties, most in Appalachia. All the Mother Jones article says in terms of actual proof is: > [@](#): > > The ODJFS’ waiver decision seemed to have little basis in math. Seventy-five percent of Ohio’s minorities live in just eight of the state’s 88 counties. None of those counties got a waiver, even though several of them have higher unemployment rates than counties that did get waivers, notes the civil complaint. However, several of the counties I’ve already named (Cuyahoga, Franklin, Hamilton, Montgomery and Lucas) which if I had to bet a lot of money would be 5 of the 8 counties where “75% of Ohio’s minorities live” do not have higher unemployment rates than the Appalachian counties, in fact they have much lower rates. It’s possible at the time these groups sued, some of these counties may have had higher unemployment rates in the month back in 2013 or 2014 when these lawsuits started, or that 3 of the other 8 which I haven’t listed might have had higher unemployment rates. But as has been explained, the Kasich administration never took a snapshot of one month at the moment they made their decision, they used a 24 month average. So the person who was quoted as saying they didn’t get the basis, I guess they were ill informed because it seems pretty rational to me. Just because a lot of black people live in Hamilton, Franklin, and Cuyahoga county and those counties didn’t get waivers doesn’t mean Kasich is a racist. It’s probably just a reflection that in Ohio the three biggest urban cities actually are in pretty good shape economically and white people in Appalachia do actually have it worse than blacks in those counties in terms of poverty. The highest 10 unemployment counties in Ohio (all with higher rates than the national average): Monroe, Meigs, Adams, Scioto, Jefferson, Jackson, Pike, Morgan, Noble, Coschocton are all (except Coshocton) in the border area with West Virginia/Kentucky, and would be considered Appalachian. It’ll be nice to see if anyone here can scrounge up any proof to support the baseless assertions you’ve made. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2015, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/46 "2015-10-10T03:57:57Z")
Kasich continues to carry the “compassionate conservative” banner with pride, telling seniors affected by cuts to “get over it”: [http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/09/politics/john-kasich-get-over-it-social-security/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/09/politics/john-kasich-get-over-it-social-security/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2015, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/47 "2015-10-10T04:06:00Z")
Your linked story says he was addressing people “far from receiving Social Security.” Not seniors. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2015, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/48 "2015-10-10T04:09:40Z")
Yeah, it’s people 50 or under today, or thereabouts. Those who oppose SS cuts need to explain whose taxes they’ll raise to avoid them, or what other spending they’ll cut. The time when just eliminating the cap would fix SS has come and gone. Here are the options and how much they reduce the financing gap: > **[5 Ideas For Fixing Social Security](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/change-social-security_n_2708000)** > > 5 Ideas For Fixing Social Security Any candidate that has no proposal is a de facto supporter of benefit cuts, since they will occur automatically. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2015, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/49 "2015-10-10T05:08:12Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Yeah, it’s people 50 or under today, or thereabouts. The point is, telling people to “get over it” is not compassionate. If he wants to be compassionate, then he needs to be the one proposing a way to fix the problem. Not telling people he’s just going to let it happen. What he does to poor old people will also be something he has to answer for at the pearly gates. The Bible actually says that anything you do to poor people, you’re actually doing to Jesus. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2015, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/50 "2015-10-10T05:24:34Z")
Kasich expanded Medicaid when most Republicans didn’t. The elderly will face cuts to SS anyway, and Medicare’s insolvency is a lot closer than that. Kasich has a plan to do something about it. His “Get over it” was just well calculated toughness to appeal to the part of the electorate that likes that sort of thing. If we want to get all our SS benefits, our taxes have to go up now. We either get over that, or we get over lower benefits. Either way, we’ll get over it. ---
**Author:** ![Futurist110](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a88e4f/32.png) [@Futurist110](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Futurist110)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2015, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/51 "2015-10-11T06:13:36Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > The 16th (serious, defined by representation in national polls) announced candidate for the 2016 Republican presidential nomination is [John Kasich, Governor of Ohio and former Congresscritter](http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/john-kasich-says-hes-running-president-n395396). > > [Kasich](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kasich) is considered a moderate Pub by today’s standards – at any rate he’s one of the few Republican govs to accept Obamacare funding to expand his state’s Medicaid. OTOH, his abortion record – > > Not much else about him appears to be very interesting/controversial. He has a solid public-service resume and he could be an acceptable candidate, though he won’t fire up the base much. “16 in 16!”! 😃 LOL! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2015, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/52 "2015-10-11T23:45:26Z")
Hey **Martin** , let me hold up a mirror for you: > [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > First, Motherjones is nothing but a partisan screed magazine, full of ragey liberals that have nothing to say because they can barely speak for all the foam exploding out of their mouths. Would be kinda hard to beat that sentence for being ‘ragey’ and having ‘foam exploding out of [its] mouth’. Now can you say ‘projection’? I knew you could! ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2015, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/53 "2015-11-18T14:20:38Z")
Kasich’s latest is that [he wants a government agency to promote “Christian-Judeo” values abroad](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/john-kasich-govt-agency-judeo-christian-values). In all his years in gummint, you’d think he’d have heard of a little thing called the Establishment Clause. And just think, he’s the _moderate_ in the race. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2015, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/54 "2015-11-18T14:29:18Z")
In the last debate, he was certainly the most juvenile whiner. That took some doing, too. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2015, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/55 "2015-11-18T17:27:12Z")
He’s also climbing on the “no Syrian refugees here, thanks” bandwagon: [http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/17/politics/john-kasich-syria-refugees-isis-war/](http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/17/politics/john-kasich-syria-refugees-isis-war/) ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/56 "2015-11-20T19:25:24Z")
Trump gets peevish towards Kasich: [Donald Trump goes off on John Kasich - cleveland.com](http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2015/11/donald_trump_goes_off_on_john.html#incart_m-rpt-1) ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/57 "2015-11-20T22:26:46Z")
> **[Kasich Proposes Govt Agency To Espouse Judeo-Christian Values Abroad (VIDEO)](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/john-kasich-govt-agency-judeo-christian-values)** > > Ohio Gov. John Kasich is proposing a new federal agency to spread Judeo-Christian values throughout the world as a way to combat the Islamic State. "We need to beam messages around the world about… > [@](#): > > “We need to beam messages around the world about what it means to have a Western ethic, to be a part of a Christian-Judeo society,” Kasich said in an interview Tuesday with NBC. “It means freedom, it means opportunity, it means respect for women, it means so many things.” The sad thing is, there are better terms for what he’s describing. “Liberal democratic,” anyone? But of course he can’t use that phrase in a GOP primary, or in the GOP at all. Nor “socially liberal,” nor “social democratic.” “Libertarian” and “egalitarian” are pretty good descriptors, but maybe politically iffy. “Classically liberal” might be confusing? So he pretends this is “Christian-Judeo” but really, that’s not the word. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2015, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/58 "2015-11-21T00:35:24Z")
I wonder if he used “Christian-Judeo” specifically to avoid saying “Judeo-Christian.” I’m actually impressed with someone trying to equate liberal democracy with Christian values. Pulling that off might be a coup for the left. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2016, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/59 "2016-02-10T17:34:03Z")
So Kasich, placing 2nd in NH, becomes a semiserious prospect once again . . . [More on Kasich’s dark side: racism, sexism, xenophobia & demagoguery.](http://www.salon.com/2016/02/10/kasich_is_almost_as_bad_as_trump_dont_let_the_donalds_repulsiveness_distract_from_the_ugliness_dished_out_by_other_candidates/) ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2016, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/60 "2016-02-10T17:38:24Z")
Naw, New Hampshire was the best state for him until later in March when Ohio runs, and by then a ton of delegates will have been awarded. He blew all of his cash load in New Hampshire and will have grave troubles being competitive in the next 15 or so contests. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801.md?page=4)