# And John Kasich makes 16 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [July 21, 2015, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801 "2015-07-21T18:01:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2016, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/121 "2016-02-22T15:46:55Z")
The only hope for the Republican establishment at this point is a brokered convention. They need deny Trump as many delegates as possible. This is only going to happen if Cruz stays in and improves his performance, and Rubio steps his game up as well and plucks off a few states. I don’t see it happening. Trump is going to coast to the nomination. Cruz has too much money to drop, and even if he did its not clear Rubio would be the sole beneficiary. Trump is going to go ham on Super Tuesday. Kasich is and always was a non-entity. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2016, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/122 "2016-02-22T15:54:06Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Kasich has signed a bill defunding Planned Parenthood in Ohio. Feh: [Governor John Kasich signs Ohio bill to cut Planned Parenthood funding](http://www.aol.com/article/2016/02/21/governor-john-kasich-signs-ohio-bill-to-cut-planned-parenthood-f/21316261/?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl3%7Csec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D802228909) Yeah, he’s seen as moderate, but he’s the most against abortion rights. [As governor, he’s signed off on a lot of anti-abortion legislation](http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/john-kasichs-quiet-campaign-to-cut-abortion-access/): > [@](#): > > Since entering office in January 2011, John Kasich, Ohio’s governor and now a GOP presidential hopeful, has signed every abortion and women’s reproductive health provision that has landed on his desk. In four and a half years he has enacted 16 legislative proposals related to family planning funding and abortion access across the state. [And his office actually wrote some of the legislation.](http://bigstory.ap.org/article/eb8b7ad955ce4544b36e169a94529946/apnewsbreak-kasich-aides-helped-craft-abortion-restrictions) It is funny how this isn’t proclaimed more. I guess he’s trying for moderate votes, since so many of the other candidates are loud and proud super conservatives. But this stuff isn’t exactly secret. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2016, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/123 "2016-02-22T16:17:20Z")
Kasich is a hard right conservative. People were confused about Jon Huntsman that way too. He was no moderate. But the media and the public often perceive moderation in a lack of partisanship. and that’s what makes Kasich “moderate”. He doesn’t hate the other side. Plus, as was shown during the union fight, he gracefully accepts defeat, which makes him look mature, which is also “moderate” by modern Republican standards. But yeah, Kasich is definitely a very far right conservative, no question. You’ll get no denials from him on that point. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2016, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/124 "2016-02-22T16:41:18Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > The only hope for the Republican establishment at this point is a brokered convention. They need deny Trump as many delegates as possible. Not that Trump nomination wouldn’t be a disaster but this would be a disaster as well. I can see the general election GOP vote being very depressed if 30-40% of the primary electorate just saw their candidate get the election “stolen” from him. “Hey, they just stole it from my man Trump but sure I’m going to vote for the Rubio guy”? – Probably not. > [@adaher](#): > > Kasich is a hard right conservative. People were confused about Jon Huntsman that way too. He was no moderate. Amen. Although it’s a sad state of affairs when a solid conservative is hailed as the “sane moderate” just because he’s not as bat shit insane as the rest of the pack and says stuff like “maybe global warming is real” or “building a giant wall of electrified alligators on the border isn’t a reasonable solution”. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2016, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/125 "2016-02-22T17:03:53Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Kasich is a hard right conservative. People were confused about Jon Huntsman that way too. He was no moderate. But the media and the public often perceive moderation in a lack of partisanship. and that’s what makes Kasich “moderate”. He doesn’t hate the other side. Plus, as was shown during the union fight, he gracefully accepts defeat, which makes him look mature, which is also “moderate” by modern Republican standards. > > But yeah, Kasich is definitely a very far right conservative, no question. You’ll get no denials from him on that point. That makes sense. He’s not moderate in his views, but since he’s not actively calling to stop anything that the other side tries to do, he’s seen as moderate. But even so, I’ve seen pro-life people wonder why he doesn’t trumpet his record more. If he wanted to get more conservative votes, he has a record he could point to. It seems there must be some reason he doesn’t campaign more on that. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2016, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/126 "2016-02-22T17:08:33Z")
Because that’s his brand. He’s the moderate, sane choice, so the focus is more on things like expanding Medicaid and balancing the budget with Bill Clinton. Kasich’s basically marketing himself to the base as the guy who can win, and who has the experience to govern well once in office. The GOP base is often portrayed as a bunch of far right loonies(and most of them are!), but when you’ve lost two straight elections there’s also the desire to win one. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2016, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/127 "2016-02-22T17:11:11Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > … I don’t see it happening. Trump is going to coast to the nomination… Care to make it interesting? US$20 says Trump isn’t the GOP nominee. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2016, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/128 "2016-02-22T17:13:45Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The GOP base is often portrayed as a bunch of far right loonies(and most of them are!), but when you’ve lost two straight elections there’s also the desire to win one. Unfortunately for Kasich, the prevailing view from the Right is that they lost because Romney and McCain were squishy moderates and not True Constitutional Conservatives who will actively battle against the evil of the Left. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2016, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/129 "2016-02-22T17:19:15Z")
That’s what the loudest faction believes, but I’m a pretty hardcore Tea partier myself except on social issues. My compadres all talk about how much they love the Constitution, but our Constitution actually makes total control of government very, very hard. Actually impossible when you include states’ rights, as supporters of ACA have found out. So even as a Tea Partier, there’s almost nothing I’m willing to do without Democratic buy-in, even if it means doing nothing. Barring an imminent crisis of course. I’m not into the whole “kumbaya let’s all work together” school of bipartisanship, but I am into the idea that our system of government will always mean that Democrats have levers to stop us from doing what we want to do. So we have to go to them and say, “Guys, this is our priority, what can we do to get to yes?” ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2016, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/130 "2016-02-22T19:13:24Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Most states look similar to national polling until the candidates drop millions in ads there. That’s why Clinton is beating Sanders in every state by a wide margin, except the next state they are about to vote in. And why almost every Republican race features Trump in front with Cruz and Rubio vying for 2nd and 3rd. The actual results will differ. The Mass. primary isn’t some distant future event. Its in a little over a week. If Kaisch is going to drop millions in ads there, he might want to get on that kinda soon. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2016, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/131 "2016-02-22T19:24:06Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Kasich is a hard right conservative. People were confused about Jon Huntsman that way too. He was no moderate. But the media and the public often perceive moderation in a lack of partisanship. and that’s what makes Kasich “moderate”. He doesn’t hate the other side. Plus, as was shown during the union fight, he gracefully accepts defeat, which makes him look mature, which is also “moderate” by modern Republican standards. > > But yeah, Kasich is definitely a very far right conservative, no question. You’ll get no denials from him on that point. I’d say that Kasich is a very far right conservative deal cutter as opposed to poseur or bomb thrower. Like Representative Dick Cheney back in 1978-89. It’s not even partisanship exactly: Cheney was highly partisan but that didn’t stop him from negotiating. As it happens, I don’t have a problem with gadflies. I just don’t think they should be in leadership positions. That’s not their role. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2016, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/132 "2016-02-22T20:15:17Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Because that’s his brand. He’s the moderate, sane choice, so the focus is more on things like expanding Medicaid and balancing the budget with Bill Clinton. And cutting Planned Parenthood’s funding. Can’t forget that ‘moderate, sane’ bit of policy. He’s the _extremely conservative_ but still sane choice. Unfortunately for Kasich, sanity itself is regarded by most Republicans these days as evidence of being a squish. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2016, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/133 "2016-02-22T20:20:15Z")
There have been [3 polls of Michigan in between NH and SC](http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/primary-forecast/michigan-republican/), and they have Trump leading by 10, 18, and 30 points. If Kasich loses Michigan, does he hang in for one more week for Ohio to vote, or does he call it quits immediately? ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2016, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/134 "2016-02-22T20:38:07Z")
ISTM that depends entirely on his remaining budget and how much of it is already spent in OH. He can’t unbuy the OH yard signs & OH robocalls & probably can’t unbuy most of the OH TV ads on 1 to 6 days notice. Since the money’s gone, might as well use the whole thing to boost his homestate profile One. Last. Time. Besides, once in awhile the Hail Mary pass is caught, not intercepted. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2016, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/135 "2016-02-22T20:39:26Z")
Kasich said today that in his first political campaign, “Women came out of their kitchens”. Typical Republican, can’t seem to think that women have lives outside of being barefoot pregnant and in the kitchen. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2016, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/136 "2016-02-22T21:03:09Z")
I just looked it up. His first campaign was in 1978. The height of the original Women’s Lib movement. Although to be fair, he was campaigning in OH and they may not have heard of Libbers yet. So women coming out from their kitchens might have been literally true then. Whether it’s a figuratively smart thing to say in 2016 depends on whether you’re pandering to the trogs or not. Or are yourself a trog. My bet is “yes” and “yes”. What do you think? ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2016, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/137 "2016-02-22T21:07:29Z")
Eh, I have a hard time getting riled up. His first campaign was in the 70’s and, while there certainly were working women, there were also a heck of a lot more stay at home wives/mothers. Tone deaf but I can’t work up any actual outrage. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2016, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/138 "2016-02-22T21:14:46Z")
[Here is the entirety of what Kasich said,](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/what-kasich-really-said-about-women-coming-out-of-their-kitchens) parts were edited out of the clips that were going around this morning. Bolding mine: > [@](#): > > “How did I get elected? " Kasich says, referring to one his early campaigns. “Nobody was – I didn’t have anyone for me. We just got an army of people – and many women who left their kitchens to go out and go door to door and to put yard signs up for me **all the way back when you know when things were different. Now you call homes and everybody is out working, but at that time, early days it was really an army of the women that really helped me to get elected.** ” ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2016, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/139 "2016-02-22T21:16:31Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Kasich said today that in his first political campaign, “Women came out of their kitchens”. Typical Republican, can’t seem to think that women have lives outside of being barefoot pregnant and in the kitchen. Yeah, I remember when Annie Lennox and Aretha Franklin sang about coming out of the kitchen. My first thought was just like yours: “typical Republicans”. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2016, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801/140 "2016-02-22T21:27:53Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Yeah, I remember when Annie Lennox and Aretha Franklin sang about coming out of the kitchen. My first thought was just like yours: “typical Republicans”. They did? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-john-kasich-makes-16/725801.md?page=8)