# And Kinsey spake and saith, "Let there be sex!"--EEEK! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 11, 2004, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-kinsey-spake-and-saith-let-there-be-sex-eeek/274283 "2004-11-11T22:18:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2004, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-kinsey-spake-and-saith-let-there-be-sex-eeek/274283/1 "2004-11-11T22:18:14Z")
The forces of ignorance strike again. According to this [article](http://www.imdb.com/news/sb/#1) on IMDB, a gaggle of dimwits terrified by the complexities of human sexuality and dead ignorant of history, psychology, or sociology are planning to perform chanting rituals to placate their nonexistent deity, who apparently disapproves of the genitals He created. > [@](#): > > Religious conservatives and family-values groups are planning to wage a battle against Fox Searchlight’s Kinsey, about the pioneering sex researcher, when the movie opens in limited release on Friday. In a statement on Wednesday, Robert Knight of Concerned Women for America charged that the movie “lionized” a man whose “proper place is with Nazi Dr. Josef Mengele or your average Hollywood horror flick mad scientist.” Knight went on to assert that Kinsey “was the godfather of the homosexual activist movement, the campaign to mainstream pornography, and even the campaign to strike down abortion laws.” First, what is a man doing in heading a group called Concerned Women for America? Sounds like _someone_ has his own problems with gender identity. Second, Kinsey’s work is tainted by bad sampling and has largely been rendered irrelevant by his flawed controls, but apparently statistics is another subject that has eluded Knight and friends. Kinsey didn’t _create_ human sexuality, ya Bible-toting dipshit, he merely catalogued the sexual behaviors reported by the subjects his research team interviewed. And comparing a sex researcher to Mengele? Hey, ya superstitious morons, reporting on sexual conduct is entirely dissimilar to injecting chemicals into the eyes of Jewish twins. But of course, I should realize that to these assmonkeys, treating gay people as human beings and allowing Americans to learn about their bodies’s capacity for pleasure is a threat to the fundies’ goal of rigid social control and institutionalized bigotry in a theocratic America. In the spirit of scientific research into human sexuality, may I invite Robert Knight and his flock of sexphobic losers to go fuck themselves? > [@](#): > > The youth group Generation Life, composed of “virgins and renewed virgins,” announced that it would picket theaters showing the film. And just what is a “renewed virgin”? That cherry cannot be unpopped and hymens don’t grow back. You cannot get unfucked no matter how hard you wish. In the interests of honesty, why don’t they call themselves the Reformed Sluts? ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2004, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-kinsey-spake-and-saith-let-there-be-sex-eeek/274283/2 "2004-11-11T22:22:13Z")
Huh? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2004, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-kinsey-spake-and-saith-let-there-be-sex-eeek/274283/3 "2004-11-11T22:29:04Z")
Alfred Kinsey was a researcher on human sexuality who published two groundbreaking surveys of American sexual conduct in the 1950s. 20th Century Fox is releasing a movie about Kinsey’s life and work. Religious publicity whores are picketing the movie to draw attention to their social agenda. I am pitting the religious publicity whores. ---
**Author:** ![JeffB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jeffb/32/188_2.png) [@JeffB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JeffB)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2004, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-kinsey-spake-and-saith-let-there-be-sex-eeek/274283/4 "2004-11-11T22:32:28Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > And just what is a “renewed virgin”? One that didn’t let his/her subscription lapse. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2004, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-kinsey-spake-and-saith-let-there-be-sex-eeek/274283/5 "2004-11-11T22:37:05Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > Alfred Kinsey was a researcher on human sexuality who published two groundbreaking surveys of American sexual conduct in the 1950s. > > 20th Century Fox is releasing a movie about Kinsey’s life and work. > > Religious publicity whores are picketing the movie to draw attention to their social agenda. > > I am pitting the religious publicity whores. Thanks, now I can go back and read the OP. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Waverly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/57b2e6/32.png) [@Waverly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waverly)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2004, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-kinsey-spake-and-saith-let-there-be-sex-eeek/274283/6 "2004-11-11T22:37:38Z")
This does not bode well for my upcoming biopic: _The Masters and Johnson Story: Do You Mind If We Watch You Fuck?_ ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2004, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-kinsey-spake-and-saith-let-there-be-sex-eeek/274283/7 "2004-11-11T22:41:04Z")
I pity them. Or, I would pity them, if they didn’t, you know, _run the whole fucking country_. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2004, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-kinsey-spake-and-saith-let-there-be-sex-eeek/274283/8 "2004-11-11T23:03:46Z")
I’m surprised the protestors haven’t been repeating some of the popular fundy slanders about Kinsey being a pedophile who did sex experiments on children and sympathized with Nazis. No doubt that crap will be in the pamphlets they say they want to hand out at screenings of the movie. I intend to see the film so I would be only too happy to engage one of these blithering imbeciles in a little friendly debate. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2004, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-kinsey-spake-and-saith-let-there-be-sex-eeek/274283/9 "2004-11-11T23:06:06Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > That cherry cannot be unpopped and hymens don’t grow back. You cannot get unfucked no matter how hard you wish. Cherry unpopping is actually [pretty popular](http://www.library.cornell.edu/colldev/mideast/chast2.htm) in regions where people are preternaturally concerned with virginity and abstinence: > [@](#): > > For women who have had premarital sex, a way to avoid discovery is known as hymen restoration. As long as the woman’s sexual experience has been limited, gynecologists say, the surgical procedure is simple and inexpensive – a stitching together of what remains of the hymen, usually a few days before the wedding, so that it will tear again during intercourse. > > In Egypt, Jordan, and most other Arab countries, the procedure is illegal, because it is seen as defrauding the husband. “You’re next! _You’re next!_” [/Invasion of the Snatch Rebuilders] ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2004, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-kinsey-spake-and-saith-let-there-be-sex-eeek/274283/10 "2004-11-11T23:18:08Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > First, what is a man doing in heading a group called Concerned Women for America? Sounds like _someone_ has his own problems with gender identity. Foolish **gobear**! Devout fundamentalist women should not have responsibilities such as spokesperson or leader dropped on them. It would damage their delicate nature. They need men to fulfill these functions for them! Here’s a good place to bring up my Kinsey-style study of SDMB denizen sexuality! > **[Qadgop's Doper Sexuality study](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=161783)** > > OK, I’m an idiot. I promised waaay too much. I was gonna combine 3 threads surveying doper sexuality and pool the data. Guess what? That’s a HELL of a lot of work. And my employer seems to think I should not do such tasks while at work. And the... [http://www.skidmore.edu/~jbeachy/Qadgop.html](http://www.skidmore.edu/~jbeachy/Qadgop.html) ---
**Author:** ![SusanStoHelit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7ab992/32.png) [@SusanStoHelit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SusanStoHelit)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2004, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-kinsey-spake-and-saith-let-there-be-sex-eeek/274283/11 "2004-11-11T23:23:38Z")
> [@Larry Mudd](#): > > You’re next! _You’re next!_" > [/Invasion of the Snatch Rebuilders] Has to be the funniest thing I’ve read all week. Thank you Mr Mudd. Did anyone see _Saved_? They have several jokes about “spiritual virginity” in the movie (not to mention the fact that the protagonist had sex with her boyfriend at the command of Jesus to save him from homosexuality 🙂 . Great movie. Watch it. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2004, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-kinsey-spake-and-saith-let-there-be-sex-eeek/274283/12 "2004-11-11T23:28:27Z")
This whole thread is wildly amusing in a tragic sort of way. So a man is in charge of Concerned Women for America? Hilarious. I bet he looks fetching in a miniskirt :eek: And Kinsey was “the godfather of the homosexual activist movement, the campaign to mainstream pornography, and even the campaign to strike down abortion laws.” My oh my, where did he find the time? Busy busy man! 😃 Oh and “renewed virgin”? What the hell is that? 😕 I know there is a “restoration” that can be done surgically, but once you screw, you ain’t virgin anymore. Period. This all sounds too much like a script from MadTV. These are the asswipes who cringe and whine that people won’t respect them. Here’s hoping, if they are this afraid of sex, they won’t breed, they will go extinct. ROFLMAO. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2004, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-kinsey-spake-and-saith-let-there-be-sex-eeek/274283/13 "2004-11-11T23:38:24Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > 20th Century Fox is releasing a movie about Kinsey’s life and work. For anyone who’s interested, _Kinsey_ is written and directed by Bill Condon, who previously made the truly excellent film _Gods and Monsters_, and advance buzz on the film is very, very good indeed. It stars Liam Neeson as the researcher and Laura Linney as his long-suffering wife. Can’t wait. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/74df32/32.png) [@The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Devil_s_Grandmother)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2004, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-kinsey-spake-and-saith-let-there-be-sex-eeek/274283/14 "2004-11-11T23:50:21Z")
There’s an enthusiastic review of the movie on [Slate](http://slate.msn.com/id/2109547/). ---
**Author:** ![Green\_Cymbeline](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/green_cymbeline/32/9244_2.png) [@Green\_Cymbeline](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Green_Cymbeline)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2004, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-kinsey-spake-and-saith-let-there-be-sex-eeek/274283/15 "2004-11-11T23:51:09Z")
A friend pointed me toward a discussion on the IMDB board about this, and the OP posted this link to an editorial about the film: [http://worldnetdaily.com](http://worldnetdaily.com)./news/article.asp?ARTICLE\_ID=40968 (Bolding mine.) > [@](#): > > The truth is that Alfred Kinsey was not a legitimate researcher. He was not some kind of pioneer and scholar in the area of human sexuality. He was not a heroic figure who transformed society for the better. > > \*\*He was a monster. > > He protected pedophiles. > > He was a pervert. > > He was a beast akin to Dr. Josef Mengele\*\* – and that’s the way he should be remembered. > > For years, the foremost scholar in the area of Kinsey, Dr. Judith Reisman, has been trying to blow the whistle on the author of 1948’s explosive book, “Sexual Behavior in the Human Male.” > > She shows that the \*\*book was actually a record of unspeakable sexual human experiments conducted by sexual predators on hundreds, perhaps thousands, of children. \*\* > > The study was used by Kinsey to support the idea that sexual activity in children – even with adults – is natural and healthy and should not be repressed. > > Kinsey used data from the diaries of pedophiles like Rex King and Nazi Fritz von Balluseck, who was tried for the rape and murder of a 10-year-old girl. King’s data appears in a table in “Sexual Behavior in the Human Male” that **summarized his attempts to bring to orgasm boys between the ages of 2 months and 15 years,** in some cases over a period of 24 hours. > > Reisman acknowledges that our society has become sufficiently jaded that most will watch the movie and accept it at face value. What audiences will not be told, however, is that \*\*Kinsey passed off the rape and sexual victimization of children as science. \*\* > > The filmmakers continue in the cover-up of this crime against humanity. They continue in to collaborate with evil. They do it knowing the truth. They do it without excuse. They do it to entertain. They do it intentionally to revise history. And they do it for profit. > > That’s disgusting. But what should we expect from fans of **the master of disgust,** Alfred Kinsey? WTF??? 😕😕😕 ---
**Author:** ![The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/74df32/32.png) [@The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Devil_s_Grandmother)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2004, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-kinsey-spake-and-saith-let-there-be-sex-eeek/274283/16 "2004-11-11T23:52:36Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > I’m surprised the protestors haven’t been repeating some of the popular fundy slanders about Kinsey being a pedophile who did sex experiments on children and sympathized with Nazis. No doubt that crap will be in the pamphlets they say they want to hand out at screenings of the movie. I intend to see the film so I would be only too happy to engage one of these blithering imbeciles in a little friendly debate. Actually, if you follow a trail of links from GoBear’s OP, you’ll find they already are on the IMBD’s message board. [Scroll down to the bottom of this page](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0362269/). ---
**Author:** ![The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/74df32/32.png) [@The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Devil_s_Grandmother)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2004, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-kinsey-spake-and-saith-let-there-be-sex-eeek/274283/17 "2004-11-11T23:53:47Z")
O, bugger all double posting! Sorry, nyctea scandiaca! ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2004, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-kinsey-spake-and-saith-let-there-be-sex-eeek/274283/18 "2004-11-12T00:05:33Z")
Here’s what the Kinsey Institute has to [say](http://www.indiana.edu/~kinsey/about/cont-akchild.html) about the pedophilia charges. Essentially, Kinsey used information from self-confessed pedophiles, and he did interview children in the presence of their parents, but callin ghim a pedophile is a typical fundie lie. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2004, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-kinsey-spake-and-saith-let-there-be-sex-eeek/274283/19 "2004-11-12T00:06:48Z")
> [@nyctea scandiaca](#): > > WTF??? 😕😕😕 Anyone can make accusations, let’s see if they can produce any evidence or proof. Bet they can’t and won’t. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2004, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-kinsey-spake-and-saith-let-there-be-sex-eeek/274283/20 "2004-11-12T00:26:59Z")
Did I read that right? Are these folks claiming _Kinsey invented homosexuality?_ Huh. Learn something new (and ridiculous) every day… [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-kinsey-spake-and-saith-let-there-be-sex-eeek/274283.md?page=2)