# And Kinsey spake and saith, "Let there be sex!"--EEEK! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 11, 2004, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-kinsey-spake-and-saith-let-there-be-sex-eeek/274283 "2004-11-11T22:18:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2004, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-kinsey-spake-and-saith-let-there-be-sex-eeek/274283/21 "2004-11-12T00:29:42Z")
> [@nyctea scandiaca](#): > > A friend pointed me toward a discussion on the IMDB board about this, and the OP posted this link to an editorial about the film: [http://worldnetdaily.com](http://worldnetdaily.com)./news/article.asp?ARTICLE\_ID=40968 > > (Bolding mine.) > > WTF??? šŸ˜•šŸ˜•šŸ˜• [The Kinsey Instutute responds](http://www.kinseyinstitute.org/about/cont-95frc.html) [They respond again.](http://www.indiana.edu/~kinsey/about/contro-03.html) Most of these allegations about Kinsey are driven by a woman named Judith Reisman, an insane and thoroughly discredited right-wing zealot (the type who literally believes that homosexuals are trying to recruit children in public schools) who has made a career of slandering Kinsey and inventing more and more ridiculous lies about his research. Unfortunately, enough people believe her crap that all this pure and malicious ignorance continues to have a life on the internet and with fundies everywhere. IIRC, **bonzer** has done some research on this controversy and has debunked Reisman on this board in the past. Perhaps heā€™ll show up in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2004, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-kinsey-spake-and-saith-let-there-be-sex-eeek/274283/22 "2004-11-12T00:41:50Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > First, what is a man doing in heading a group called Concerned Women for America? Sounds like _someone_ has his own problems with gender identity. Because, theyā€™re women, theyā€™re not allowed to be in positions of authority. Dā€™uh. Jesus Christ, donā€™t these people have anything better to do? Honestly, wouldnā€™t God prefer that they volunteer at a soup kitchen, rather than protesting some frigging movie? ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2004, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-kinsey-spake-and-saith-let-there-be-sex-eeek/274283/23 "2004-11-12T01:34:22Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Honestly, wouldnā€™t God prefer that they volunteer at a soup kitchen, rather than protesting some frigging movie? But itā€™s not just some fucking movieā€¦ itā€™s a fucking FUCKING movie!!! ---
**Author:** ![5\_time\_champ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/5/278dde/32.png) [@5\_time\_champ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/5_time_champ)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2004, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-kinsey-spake-and-saith-let-there-be-sex-eeek/274283/24 "2004-11-12T01:57:42Z")
You know-- Fox Searchlights canā€™t **buy** publicity like this. šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2004, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-kinsey-spake-and-saith-let-there-be-sex-eeek/274283/25 "2004-11-12T02:13:26Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Anyone can make accusations, letā€™s see if they can produce any evidence or proof. Bet they canā€™t and wonā€™t. As long as they can get others to repeat the lie, they donā€™t really need toā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2004, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-kinsey-spake-and-saith-let-there-be-sex-eeek/274283/26 "2004-11-12T03:11:25Z")
> [@rjung](#): > > Did I read that right? Are these folks claiming _Kinsey invented homosexuality?_ Heck, according to a quote **gobear** didnā€™t include, he practically invented sex! > [@](#): > > And the conservative [WorldNetDaily.com](http://WorldNetDaily.com) has taken aim at the movie in the current issue of its monthly magazine Whistleblower, in which it charges that Kinsey transformed America ā€œin five decades from the Leave It to Beaver innocence of the 1950s to todayā€™s wanton, ā€˜anything-goesā€™ sexual anarchy.ā€ ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2004, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-kinsey-spake-and-saith-let-there-be-sex-eeek/274283/27 "2004-11-12T03:13:32Z")
Iā€™d just like to remind everybody that Dr Ruth Westheimer occasionally speaks at synagogues and Jewish communtity centers. Leonard Nimoy took photographs of naked women and published them in a book titled Shekhina. Shekhina is Hebrew word meaning both the radiance of G-d and the feminine aspect of G-d. You remember the massive protests of Jewish groups over these things? Neither do I. Tired of Christian Fundies? Judasim- No ham. But you can pork brains out. ;j ;j ;j ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2004, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-kinsey-spake-and-saith-let-there-be-sex-eeek/274283/28 "2004-11-12T04:16:02Z")
> [@WND](#): > > [Kinsey transformed America] in five decades from the Leave It to Beaver innocence of the 1950s to todayā€™s wanton, ā€˜anything-goesā€™ sexual anarchy. Heh. _Leave it to Beaver_. Funny title aside, who actually believes life was ever like that? Suffering Christ. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2004, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-kinsey-spake-and-saith-let-there-be-sex-eeek/274283/29 "2004-11-12T04:47:26Z")
> [@nyctea scandiaca](#): > > WTF??? šŸ˜•šŸ˜•šŸ˜• I think I got the reasonning. There has been debates about whether datas obtained in inhumane condition should be used or not in medical science. And it seems to me that Mengele was used as an example in said debates. For instance, if Mengele conducted some particularily nasty experiment, and he noted down the result, should these datas be ignored because they were obtained in an inhumane way, or should they be used because the harm is already done, and it could be useful for medical science (especially since they canā€™t possibly be conducted again)? Apparently, Kinsey would have used in his study datas provided by a criminal and gathered in the pursuit of his criminal actions. Hence, he would be in the same position as a medical scientist who would have published a study based on the results of Mengeleā€™s experiments, something that many could consider as morally bankrupt. Thereā€™s still a step missing (comparing him directly to Mengele rather than to the medical scientist), and this is only a wild guess, but this assumption make the piece you quoted somewhat less idiotic. ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2004, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-kinsey-spake-and-saith-let-there-be-sex-eeek/274283/30 "2004-11-12T04:53:29Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > Apparently, Kinsey would have used in his study datas provided by a criminal and gathered in the pursuit of his criminal actions. Of course, it would mean that the entire discipline of criminology would be ethically wrong. But ewwww, sex. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2004, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-kinsey-spake-and-saith-let-there-be-sex-eeek/274283/31 "2004-11-12T05:54:31Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > I think I got the reasonning. There has been debates about whether datas obtained in inhumane condition should be used or not in medical science. And it seems to me that Mengele was used as an example in said debates. For instance, if Mengele conducted some particularily nasty experiment, and he noted down the result, should these datas be ignored because they were obtained in an inhumane way, or should they be used because the harm is already done, and it could be useful for medical science (especially since they canā€™t possibly be conducted again)? > Apparently, Kinsey would have used in his study datas provided by a criminal and gathered in the pursuit of his criminal actions. Hence, he would be in the same position as a medical scientist who would have published a study based on the results of Mengeleā€™s experiments, something that many could consider as morally bankrupt. > > Thereā€™s still a step missing (comparing him directly to Mengele rather than to the medical scientist), and this is only a wild guess, but this assumption make the piece you quoted somewhat less idiotic. Did you read my links? > [@](#): > > In Sexual Behavior in the Human Male, Kinsey invited people to write to him about their sex lives. In 1955, a German wrote to him and told him about his sexual experiences with children. Kinsey, in his reply, was non-judgmental, as usual. **Kinsey never made use of this information. He did however point out how strongly society condemned such behavior.** Kinsey never made use of the information from this man. He also had no idea that this man had been a Nazi ten years earlierā€¦ To suggest that Kinsey had something to do with Nazi torture of children is a bizarre fabrication. Not that you had much of a point anyway? Are psychologists who interview serial killers on a par with Mengele too? What horseshit. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2004, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-kinsey-spake-and-saith-let-there-be-sex-eeek/274283/32 "2004-11-12T06:06:11Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Did you read my links? > > Not that you had much of a point anyway? Are psychologists who interview serial killers on a par with Mengele too? What horseshit. Easy, tiger. **clair** is attempting to clarify the position- what there is of one- of the other side. He isnā€™t taking it. I wasnā€™t really interested in the film; Iā€™m still not really interested. Still, if fundamentalist groups are upset about it, itā€™s probably pretty good, and I will now be making a point of going. ---
**Author:** ![AskNott](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asknott/32/5790_2.png) [@AskNott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AskNott)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2004, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-kinsey-spake-and-saith-let-there-be-sex-eeek/274283/33 "2004-11-12T15:57:52Z")
If you have ever considered Richard Mellon Scaifeā€™s worldnetdaily a source of factual information, this thread should set you straight. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Governor\_Quinn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/d26b3c/32.png) [@Governor\_Quinn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Governor_Quinn)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2004, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-kinsey-spake-and-saith-let-there-be-sex-eeek/274283/34 "2004-11-12T16:07:39Z")
The truly amusing thing is that, if this goes the way all similar protests of films have gone, this will result in more people seeing the film. If they really wanted to do something, they wouldnā€™t say a word about this film. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2004, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-kinsey-spake-and-saith-let-there-be-sex-eeek/274283/35 "2004-11-12T16:23:49Z")
> [@SusanStoHelit](#): > > Has to be the funniest thing Iā€™ve read all week. Thank you Mr Mudd. > > Did anyone see _Saved_? They have several jokes about ā€œspiritual virginityā€ in the movie (not to mention the fact that the protagonist had sex with her boyfriend at the command of Jesus to save him from homosexuality šŸ™‚ . > > Great movie. Watch it. Iā€™ll second that recommendation. My biggest laugh-out-loud moment was when the boyfriend, sent off to a boarding school to ā€œcureā€ his homosexuality, is finally allowed to make phone calls and mentions his roommate who is there for the same reason. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2004, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-kinsey-spake-and-saith-let-there-be-sex-eeek/274283/36 "2004-11-12T16:25:59Z")
> [@nyctea scandiaca](#): > > A friend pointed me toward a discussion on the IMDB board about this, and the OP posted this link to an editorial about the film: [http://worldnetdaily.com](http://worldnetdaily.com)./news/article.asp?ARTICLE\_ID=40968 > > WTF??? šŸ˜•šŸ˜•šŸ˜• Hell, even some of the regulars on FreeRepublic refer to that site as ā€œWorld **Nut** Dailyā€. ---
**Author:** ![Genghis\_Bob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/45deac/32.png) [@Genghis\_Bob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Genghis_Bob)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2004, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-kinsey-spake-and-saith-let-there-be-sex-eeek/274283/37 "2004-11-12T16:34:45Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > . . . First, what is a man doing in heading a group called Concerned Women for America? . . . The answer to that one should be obvious - to meet chicks. > [@DocCathode](#): > > . . . Judasim- No ham. But you can pork brains out. . . That quote alone is worth converting for! ---
**Author:** ![Rufus\_Xavier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/eada6e/32.png) [@Rufus\_Xavier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rufus_Xavier)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2004, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-kinsey-spake-and-saith-let-there-be-sex-eeek/274283/38 "2004-11-12T16:52:45Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > In the spirit of scientific research into human sexuality, may I invite Robert Knight and his flock of sexphobic losers to go fuck themselves? This is the perfect sentiment for these fucknuts. Well said. Now, if only Kinseyā€™s demonic research had included figuring out how to fuck yourself, weā€™d all be better off, no? Also, **Sexual Anarchy** - band name? ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2004, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-kinsey-spake-and-saith-let-there-be-sex-eeek/274283/39 "2004-11-12T17:06:29Z")
> [@5 time champ](#): > > You know-- Fox Searchlights canā€™t **buy** publicity like this. šŸ˜ƒ Thatā€™s how conspiracy theories start! ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2004, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-kinsey-spake-and-saith-let-there-be-sex-eeek/274283/40 "2004-11-12T17:30:16Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > Concerned Women for America Gotta love the euphemism. Shouldnā€™t they actually be called Nutbag Imbeciles for Medieval America? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-kinsey-spake-and-saith-let-there-be-sex-eeek/274283.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-kinsey-spake-and-saith-let-there-be-sex-eeek/274283.md?page=3)