# And Now Chris Hardwick \[domestic abuse allegations\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 15, 2018, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-chris-hardwick-domestic-abuse-allegations/816153 "2018-06-15T15:28:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 35
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2018, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-chris-hardwick-domestic-abuse-allegations/816153/681 "2018-07-26T20:26:51Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > That’s a load of crap. While changing “assault” to “violation” may have some differences in the legal world it’s not remotely a change in her story. Are you saying honestly that an accusation of sexual violating is any different than an accusation of sexual assaulting in normal English? The question was had anything changed. Take your Valium, please. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2018, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-chris-hardwick-domestic-abuse-allegations/816153/682 "2018-07-26T21:41:33Z")
> [@Dangerosa](#): > > I beg your pardon? I think you’re being told you’re not a Klingon. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2018, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-chris-hardwick-domestic-abuse-allegations/816153/683 "2018-07-26T21:48:06Z")
> [@asterion](#): > > I think you’re being told you’re not a Klingon. It is better to die on one’s feet than to live on one’s knees. ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2018, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-chris-hardwick-domestic-abuse-allegations/816153/684 "2018-07-26T23:34:16Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > It is better to die on one’s feet than to live on one’s knees. Again, I beg your pardon? ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2018, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-chris-hardwick-domestic-abuse-allegations/816153/685 "2018-07-26T23:36:54Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > You seem to be saying because Chris Hardwick got his job back there was no harm done. I’m calling bullshit on that. As evidenced by this very forum, even if you’re innocent some people will still think you’re guilty. It’s not about money FFS. It’s about pride. It’s about honour. And that is the life of a public personality. Heck, that’s life for all of us. If you get through life without ever having to take consequences for something you didn’t do, boy do you live a life of privilege. We need to share the social risk for being a society. THAT’S what this whole thread is about. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-chris-hardwick-domestic-abuse-allegations/816153/686 "2018-07-27T00:22:30Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > The question was had anything changed. Take your Valium, please. No, the question was whether her story had changed. Take your Ritalin please. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-chris-hardwick-domestic-abuse-allegations/816153/687 "2018-07-27T00:38:43Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > It is better to die on one’s feet than to live on one’s knees. taH pagh taHbe ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-chris-hardwick-domestic-abuse-allegations/816153/688 "2018-07-27T01:21:27Z")
> [@Dangerosa](#): > > Again, I beg your pardon? Klingon proverb. In response to the Klingon/honour comment. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-chris-hardwick-domestic-abuse-allegations/816153/689 "2018-07-27T01:23:29Z")
> [@Dangerosa](#): > > And that is the life of a public personality. Heck, that’s life for all of us. If you get through life without ever having to take consequences for something you didn’t do, boy do you live a life of privilege. We need to share the social risk for being a society. THAT’S what this whole thread is about. So we should advocate the concept of guilty until proven innocent. That’s an interesting perspective you have. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-chris-hardwick-domestic-abuse-allegations/816153/690 "2018-07-27T01:25:02Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > No, the question was whether her story had changed. Take your Ritalin please. And yes, some minor details in her story did change. I don’t know why you’re being so stubborn about this. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-chris-hardwick-domestic-abuse-allegations/816153/691 "2018-07-27T02:03:00Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > So we should advocate the concept of guilty until proven innocent. That’s an interesting perspective you have. None of this has taken place in a court of law. Do keep up. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-chris-hardwick-domestic-abuse-allegations/816153/692 "2018-07-27T02:17:28Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > Take your Valium, please. > [@CarnalK](#): > > Take your Ritalin please. Knock it off. **Biffster** , you were already told to stop making this discussion personal. Your next step up to this line will result in a Warning and the closure of this thread. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-chris-hardwick-domestic-abuse-allegations/816153/693 "2018-07-27T02:21:25Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > None of this has taken place in a court of law. Do keep up. The concepts of innocence and guilt are not limited to a court of law. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-chris-hardwick-domestic-abuse-allegations/816153/694 "2018-07-27T02:22:44Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Knock it off. > > **Biffster** , you were already told to stop making this discussion personal. Your next step up to this line will result in a Warning and the closure of this thread. > > [/Moderating] Sorry about the Valium comment; it was inappropriate. I hope you’re sending warnings to other posters as well, because I’m only seeing your warnings to me here. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-chris-hardwick-domestic-abuse-allegations/816153/695 "2018-07-27T20:05:50Z")
Does anyone have an opinion as to why Chloe chose not to participate in the investigation into Chris Hardwick and her claims of abuse? Or why she chose not to share the pics and audio she supposedly has as evidence of his misdeeds? “I have said what I wanted to say on the matter, and I wish to move on with my life. For that reason, I chose not to participate in the investigation against the person I spoke of. I do not believe in an eye for an eye, and therefore I have only shared my evidence with those who I felt should see it.” – Chloe Dykstra’s second essay [Chloe Dykstra Speaks Out After AMC Reinstates Chris Hardwick](http://www.vulture.com/2018/07/chloe-dykstra-speaks-out-after-amc-reinstates-chris-hardwick.html) ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-chris-hardwick-domestic-abuse-allegations/816153/696 "2018-07-27T20:07:57Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > Does anyone have an opinion as to why Chloe chose not to participate in the investigation into Chris Hardwick and her claims of abuse? Or why she chose not to share the pics and audio she supposedly has as evidence of his misdeeds? > > “I have said what I wanted to say on the matter, and I wish to move on with my life. For that reason, I chose not to participate in the investigation against the person I spoke of. I do not believe in an eye for an eye, and therefore I have only shared my evidence with those who I felt should see it.” > – Chloe Dykstra’s second essay > > [Chloe Dykstra Speaks Out After AMC Reinstates Chris Hardwick](http://www.vulture.com/2018/07/chloe-dykstra-speaks-out-after-amc-reinstates-chris-hardwick.html) It looks like she answered your question right here. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-chris-hardwick-domestic-abuse-allegations/816153/697 "2018-07-27T20:26:25Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > It looks like she answered your question right here. Do you think this action makes her claim less credible? Can you understand why people might view her as less credible by refusing to participate in an investigation? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-chris-hardwick-domestic-abuse-allegations/816153/698 "2018-07-27T20:43:45Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > Do you think this action makes her claim less credible? Can you understand why people might view her as less credible by refusing to participate in an investigation? No, and no. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-chris-hardwick-domestic-abuse-allegations/816153/699 "2018-07-27T21:07:38Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > None of this has taken place in a court of law. Do keep up. Of course it’s not a court of law. Bringing these accusations to a trial with a judge and jury wouldn’t have the immediate effect and satisfaction of vengeance via social media. It’s a new era. ---
**Author:** ![Warm\_blood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/df705f/32.png) [@Warm\_blood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Warm_blood)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-chris-hardwick-domestic-abuse-allegations/816153/700 "2018-07-27T22:55:33Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > Does anyone have an opinion as to why Chloe chose not to participate in the investigation into Chris Hardwick and her claims of abuse? Or why she chose not to share the pics and audio she supposedly has as evidence of his misdeeds? > > “I have said what I wanted to say on the matter, and I wish to move on with my life. For that reason, I chose not to participate in the investigation against the person I spoke of. I do not believe in an eye for an eye, and therefore I have only shared my evidence with those who I felt should see it.” > – Chloe Dykstra’s second essay > > [Chloe Dykstra Speaks Out After AMC Reinstates Chris Hardwick](http://www.vulture.com/2018/07/chloe-dykstra-speaks-out-after-amc-reinstates-chris-hardwick.html) Now I’m convinced she’s full of shit. She published that essay on a very public platform, said she had damning evidence to back up her claim, dropped enough hints for everyone recognise who it is and now that she’s been called upon to supply that evidence she suddenly wants the matter dropped and wants nothing to do with it? I was willing to give this lady the benefit of the doubt, but now it seems she’s really proving some people right about this being a miscalculated ploy for revenge. Also, I came across these two comments in a Jezebel article: > [@](#): > > Nope. The more I read about this woman, the more she strikes me as unstable. And it’s not hard to dig into her past. It’s not case of going through her garbage. Rather she extremely overshares herself on multiple social media platforms. She talks about losing her virginity at age 18 to a married 34 year old man on her livejournal. On Reddit, she talks about trying to seduce her much older professor when she was the same age. (He didn’t go for it. To which she added, “I guess he had morals.” Ew, lady.) **On facebook, during the Comic Con, which she said she was told not to leave her hotel room, she posted several pics hanging out with friends and going to parties.** She has talked about her drinking problem, her drug problems, her addiction to cigarettes. **She has talked about her hair pulling disorder and eating disorder and how she had this since childhood. (Though in the essay, she blamed Chris on it.** Look, Chloe, don’t make a lie that can be proved so with a five minute google search.) She calls her parents estranged and “psychopaths” but then in the next moment, she says how they cool they are. **She wrote in her essay how she was alone in the hospital save for that one woman turned enemy but then she made a youtube video how Chris slept in the hospital room, keeping watch over her. She keeps on re-editing the original essay.** Tweaking the story. In other words, she lies. She continuously lies. And not just small lies. She lies about everything. Like the way Trump lies about everything. > > I mean, how unstable are you that you write this essay calling someone a monster, accusing them of sexual assault in the hopes of having “a private conversation?” For someone who keeps on saying that she wants to move on, she still has their couple photos of up on her twitter, facebook and instagram. I wouldn’t be shocked if she stalks Chris. > > No, this is not the person you want to die on a hill on. > > This is not a case of being on “Team Chris” or any of that nonsense but rather not falling for someone who saw the #METOO movement as a chance to get personal revenge. She just made it that much harder for actual victims of abuse to be taken seriously. > [@](#): > > AMC actually wanted her involved. She chose not to work with them. This backing out started after her account of events started falling apart. Other witnesses have come forward (male and female), and **in at least two cases, Chris wasn’t even in the same city as her (with video evidence) as when she claimed some of the events happened. When it looked like legal action might be taken, this is when she decided to not get involved.** > > I’m very much a supporter of the #metoo movement, but this is one of the cases where I think it may have been a BS attention grab. Her story is falling apart at the seems. I had given her the benefit of the doubt when it was first released, as I usually do, but I no longer believe her. Which makes me really pissed off at her, as she’s hurting actual cases of abuse, and giving those Incel a-holes more fuel. These are the kinds of inconsistencies I was referring to. If these comments are true, then anyone still taking her side at this point is either delusional, has a hate-boner for Chris or is projecting their own history of abuse onto Chloe and Chris. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-chris-hardwick-domestic-abuse-allegations/816153.md?page=34) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-chris-hardwick-domestic-abuse-allegations/816153.md?page=36)