# And now the lies start with Arnold **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 23, 2003, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-the-lies-start-with-arnold/197063 "2003-08-23T01:26:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2003, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-the-lies-start-with-arnold/197063/21 "2003-08-24T00:51:38Z")
> [@](#): > > My vehicle registration fees went from 135 per year to 418 per year thanks to Gov Davis. First, Davis was not personally responsible for the increase to your vehicle fees. Second, if you don’t like paying incresed vehicle fees then overturn Prop 13 and get a sane system of property taxation which is actually in line with property values. Finally, if you didn’t want Davis to be governor, then you–and by you I mean California–should have voted him out in the last regular election instead of falling for this sore-loser Republican plot to steal power that they couldn’t win legitimately (see also Texas redistricting). ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2003, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-the-lies-start-with-arnold/197063/22 "2003-08-24T01:42:26Z")
The OP is wrong from the get go. The lies started om day two of the campaign, when Arnie claimed he couldn’t hear questions about releasing his tax returns ---
**Author:** ![C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b2d939/32.png) [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C_K_Dexter_Haven)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2003, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-the-lies-start-with-arnold/197063/23 "2003-08-24T02:13:29Z")
You’re upset that actors and politicians might be less than fully truthful? ---
**Author:** ![GaWd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f08c70/32.png) [@GaWd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GaWd)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2003, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-the-lies-start-with-arnold/197063/24 "2003-08-24T02:49:15Z")
> [@](#): > > My vehicle registration fees went from 135 per year to 418 per year thanks to Gov Davis. I’d like to see proof of this. The tax on car registration went up threefold, NOT the registration fees themselves. It would be very hard to TRIPLE your registration fees JUST based on taxes alone. Sam ---
**Author:** ![Eternal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ecb155/32.png) [@Eternal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eternal)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2003, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-the-lies-start-with-arnold/197063/25 "2003-08-24T11:49:52Z")
The big question is if Arnold was trying to claim he had a long history of being a politcally-aware citizen, why would he associate himself with Nixon? In light of this, it can’t be a lie. ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2003, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-the-lies-start-with-arnold/197063/26 "2003-08-24T12:07:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Eternal \* > \*\*The big question is if Arnold was trying to claim he had a long history of being a politcally-aware citizen, why would he associate himself with Nixon? In light of this, it can’t be a lie. \*\* You _do_ know that Nixon did some good things, right? He did some terrible and shitty things as well, like create the EPA, but that was after the timeframe Arnold is talking about. ---
**Author:** ![Desmostylus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2003, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-the-lies-start-with-arnold/197063/27 "2003-08-24T12:15:34Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Brutus \* > **You do know that Nixon did some good things, right? He did some terrible and shitty things as well, like create the EPA, but that was after the timeframe Arnold is talking about.** I see that sanity is still eluding you, **Brutus**. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2003, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-the-lies-start-with-arnold/197063/28 "2003-08-24T12:21:57Z")
So, **BogieBlanca** , was the OP a lie? Was it your first lie on the SDMB, or have there been others? ---
**Author:** ![Eternal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ecb155/32.png) [@Eternal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eternal)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2003, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-the-lies-start-with-arnold/197063/29 "2003-08-24T13:09:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Brutus \* > \*\*You _do_ know that Nixon did some good things, right? He did some terrible and shitty things as well, like create the EPA, but that was after the timeframe Arnold is talking about. \*\* It doesn’t matter whether Nixon was a good president or not, but he’s percieved as a scoundrel by the public, so a man seeking public office would avoid connecting himself in any way to him. Duh. ---
**Author:** ![danceswithcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9e8a1a/32.png) [@danceswithcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/danceswithcats)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2003, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-the-lies-start-with-arnold/197063/30 "2003-08-25T04:40:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Eternal \* > \*\*It doesn’t matter whether Nixon was a good president or not, but he’s percieved as a scoundrel by the public, so a man seeking public office would avoid connecting himself in any way to him. Duh. \*\* Scuse me a moment _waving hand_ but last time I checked, there are many people who would disgree with such a sweeping statement. I’m one of that public who views Nixon as a very good President that sadly, allowed paranoia to be the root of his undoing. Some people remember Nixon’s dog, Checkers, and Pat’s cloth coat, as opposed to more recent Oval Office occupants who are remembered for ‘wagging the dog’, and a semen stained dress. If I need scroundrel models, most of the 1990’s leap to mind. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2003, 11:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-the-lies-start-with-arnold/197063/31 "2003-08-25T11:04:53Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Otto \* > \*\*First, Davis was not personally responsible for the increase to your vehicle fees. \*\* Actually, he is. It’s HIS solution to the budget crisis, which he’s now shying away from because of the uproar. And as for the paultry taxes collected as a result of the heinous Prop. 13, we had a record _surplus_ when Davis took office, leading me to believe that the revenue side of the equation is OK. After 5 years of Davis, we’re in the shit (38 billion dollars in the hole, which Davis lied about in his campaign). It’s an issue of mismanagement. Davis should have resigned and helped the party. ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2003, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-the-lies-start-with-arnold/197063/32 "2003-08-25T12:05:34Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Spavined Gelding \* > \*\*Austria is a socialist country? By California standards, maybe. \*\* Thank you. Actually, that’s one of my major US media pet peeves. Most European countries _don’t_ have a two party system (well, effectively two party, you know what I mean), and their government coalitions vary per election. As such, one cannot describe them as socialist per se, even though the current government might be partially socialist (a term which usually means “labour party”, but I digress). I see my own country labeled as “socialist” all the time, even though the Labour Party (let alone the much smaller _actual_ Socialist Party) hasn’t been in the government for almost 1.5 years now. Our current government is comprised out of Conservatives, Democrats, and Christian Democrats - it’s slightly right-of-the-middle, on a European political scale at least. So, stop calling all of Europe “socialist”, stoopid American journalists. This of course does not apply to smart American journalists, who DO take the trouble of actually checking what coalition is reigning now. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2003, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-the-lies-start-with-arnold/197063/33 "2003-08-25T12:47:12Z")
Well, for those who are interested, a Lexis/Nexis search has uncovered the transcript of the Bill O’Reilly interview with Arnold Schwarzenegger, from The O’Reilly Factor, May 25, 2001. I can’t provide a link, because Lexis/Nexis is a subscription-only service.\* Here’s a quote from the interview: > [@](#): > > O’REILLY: Your core value is what? You’re a Republican why, if you had to put it in a nutshell? > > SCHWARZENEGGER: Well, I think that it’s very simple. I listened when I came over to this country in 1968. I listened to the debates of Hubert Humphrey and Richard Nixon when they were debating for the presidential race. And Hubert Humphrey spoke about the things that I heard in Austria under socialism. I’ll leave people to make their own determination about whether or not this means Arnie is a liar. [\* If you have access to Lexis/Nexis, do the following: 1. Go to “Guided News Search” 2. In News Category, select “News Transcripts” 3. Select “All Transcripts” 4. In the first search term, put “o’reilly” 5. In the second search term, put “schwarzenegger” 6. Narrow the date range to “Last five years”] > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Beryl\_Mooncalf \* > \*\*::Sorry, did it again, it is really hard to remain rational in this:: > \*\* Well, you certainly proved that to be true. > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Boyo Jim_ > **The OP is wrong from the get go. The lies started on day two of the campaign, when Arnie claimed he couldn’t hear questions about releasing his tax returns.** Exactly! ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2003, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-the-lies-start-with-arnold/197063/34 "2003-08-25T14:25:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Coldfire \* > \*\* Our current government is comprised out of Conservatives, Democrats, and Christian Democrats - it’s slightly right-of-the-middle, on a European political scale at least. > \*\* Which would make you Commies, over here. But in this case, it’s not American journalists calling Austria socialist…it’s Arnold. ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2003, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-the-lies-start-with-arnold/197063/35 "2003-08-25T14:52:10Z")
Well, **Reeder** ’s link referenced an LA Times article calling Austria “a Socialist country”. I don’t suppose Arnie wrote that himself. ---
**Author:** ![obfusciatrist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4af34b/32.png) [@obfusciatrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/obfusciatrist)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2003, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-the-lies-start-with-arnold/197063/36 "2003-08-25T14:52:45Z")
And he doesn’t say that the government was socialist (though it may have been in '68 for all I know), just that what he heard from Humphrey reminded him of the socialism he’d seen in Austria. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2003, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-the-lies-start-with-arnold/197063/37 "2003-08-25T15:36:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by mhendo \* > \*_Well, for those who are interested, a Lexis/Nexis search has uncovered the transcript of the Bill O’Reilly interview with Arnold Schwarzenegger, from The O’Reilly Factor, May 25, 2001. I can’t provide a link, because Lexis/Nexis is a subscription-only service._ Here’s a quote from the interview: > > > [@](#): > > > > O’REILLY: Your core value is what? You’re a Republican why, if you had to put it in a nutshell? > > > > SCHWARZENEGGER: Well, I think that it’s very simple. I listened when I came over to this country in 1968. I listened to the debates of Hubert Humphrey and Richard Nixon when they were debating for the presidential race. And Hubert Humphrey spoke about the things that I heard in Austria under socialism. > > I’ll leave people to make their own determination about whether or not this means Arnie is a liar. > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by Boyo Jim_ > > The OP is wrong from the get go. The lies started on day two of the campaign, when Arnie claimed he couldn’t hear questions about releasing his tax returns. > > Exactly! \*\* Ah-nold’s problem isn’t that he’s been lying, the problem is he has a one-track mind. He’s at his best when he can answer questions with dialog from his movies but he gets flustered when he has to think. Ask how he feels about something and his reaction is “does not compute!” ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2003, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-the-lies-start-with-arnold/197063/38 "2003-08-25T15:40:16Z")
> [@](#): > > Actually, he is. It’s HIS solution to the budget crisis, which he’s now shying away from because of the uproar. And here I thought that California was a representative democracy. I didn’t realize Davis ruled by fiat, commanding increases in vehicle registration fees from his keep. Was there no vote in the legislature on this issue? > [@](#): > > And as for the paultry taxes collected as a result of the heinous Prop. 13, we had a record surplus when Davis took office, leading me to believe that the revenue side of the equation is OK. How much of the deficit can be laid at the feet of the Bush administration? I am heartened by reports I’ve seen from various sources that Californians are wearying of the recall nonsense in its entirety, and that Arnold is trailing the lite guv something fierce. ---
**Author:** ![anewthought](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3da27b/32.png) [@anewthought](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anewthought)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2003, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-the-lies-start-with-arnold/197063/39 "2003-08-25T15:45:44Z")
By ‘watching debate’ he could very well have meant watching the DEBATE on their platforms/policies in media, on news shows. Anything. It doesn’t have to mean he watched them both sit there arguing with each other face to face. Just like CNN, MSNBC, etc. always debate various ideals from different candidates. This is still a debate, even though it doesn’t involve the actual parties. I’m sure what he is getting at is he compared the 2 different ideologies that each candidate presented… And chose the Republican platform based on what it represented. ---
**Author:** ![Muad\_Dib](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/35a633/32.png) [@Muad\_Dib](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muad_Dib)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2003, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-the-lies-start-with-arnold/197063/40 "2003-08-25T15:54:23Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tars Tarkas \* > \*\*or his stand on prop 187 (especially since he is an immigrant), or his lack of leadership roles in public life. This is just plain stupid. \*\* Yes **Tars Tarkas** , he is an immigrant. Not an illeagal alien. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-the-lies-start-with-arnold/197063.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-the-lies-start-with-arnold/197063.md?page=3)