# And now, the other side: Things that bug you about Star Wars. **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 25, 2003, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-the-other-side-things-that-bug-you-about-star-wars/177442 "2003-05-25T19:36:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2003, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-the-other-side-things-that-bug-you-about-star-wars/177442/141 "2003-05-28T21:04:51Z")
Yeah, but Wolverine has cooler hair, All Luke has is that 70’s _Corvette Summer_ do. So, Wolverine wins. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2003, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-the-other-side-things-that-bug-you-about-star-wars/177442/142 "2003-05-28T21:10:02Z")
Um, “lightspeed” isn’t really “lightspeed”-it’s just a slang term. It’s called “hyperspace.” (Aren’t there some scientists who study hyperspace?) I think the blaster shot that hit Leia only grazed her arm. ---
**Author:** ![BuckleberryFerry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/5f9b8f/32.png) [@BuckleberryFerry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BuckleberryFerry)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2003, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-the-other-side-things-that-bug-you-about-star-wars/177442/143 "2003-05-28T21:12:52Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by NoClueBoy \* > \*\*Yeah, but Wolverine has cooler hair, All Luke has is that 70’s _Corvette Summer_ do. > > So, Wolverine wins. \*\* And you lose–wrong thread! **Guinastasia** , I agree with you in regards to Leia’s blaster hit. Only grazed her. Han’s hand on the other hand–that was full contact. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2003, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-the-other-side-things-that-bug-you-about-star-wars/177442/144 "2003-05-28T21:17:36Z")
Here’s what went wrong between the Good 3 and the Bad 2: In the Good 3, we’ve got Han Solo, Chewie, Obi-Wan and the droids: interesting characters with distinct personalities and/or good lines. We also have Luke & Leia, who are stiff, wooden and/or whiney. In the Bad 2, they’re all gone. Replaced by more stiff, wooden and/or whiney characters. ---
**Author:** ![BuckleberryFerry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/5f9b8f/32.png) [@BuckleberryFerry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BuckleberryFerry)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2003, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-the-other-side-things-that-bug-you-about-star-wars/177442/145 "2003-05-28T21:21:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by jsc1953 \* > **In the Good 3, we’ve got Han Solo, Chewie, Obi-Wan and the droids: interesting characters with distinct personalities and/or good lines.** And in the case of Han, good hair. You’ve got to remember the good hair. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2003, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-the-other-side-things-that-bug-you-about-star-wars/177442/146 "2003-05-28T21:28:58Z")
make one little mistake 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Achernar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e274bd/32.png) [@Achernar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Achernar)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2003, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-the-other-side-things-that-bug-you-about-star-wars/177442/147 "2003-05-28T21:29:18Z")
**jsc1953** : They weren’t _all_ replaced. Obi-Wan was in the “bad” two. In fact, the only film I liked him in was Episode II. In that, he was a cool adventure hero. In the other films, he was either a confused dolt, or a pedantic, lying coot. ---
**Author:** ![BuckleberryFerry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/5f9b8f/32.png) [@BuckleberryFerry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BuckleberryFerry)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2003, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-the-other-side-things-that-bug-you-about-star-wars/177442/148 "2003-05-28T21:34:30Z")
**NoClueBoy** –[Krusty]I kid! I kid 'cause I love.[/Krusty] I didn’t make any jokes about your user name, though!! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2003, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-the-other-side-things-that-bug-you-about-star-wars/177442/149 "2003-05-28T21:37:20Z")
He was also good in _Down With Love_ as Catcher Block, Man’s man, Ladie’s man, Man about town. I also think that the “Vader murdered your father” line, which was later revealed to be a lie so Luke and Vader could have that wonderful “Luke. I am your father.” “NOOOOO!” exchange was a mistake in the first show. They made a good go at fixing that one, though, so it’s not a huge nit for me. But, I bet Lucas didn’t plan that until after he started to work on ESB. What do you think? ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2003, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-the-other-side-things-that-bug-you-about-star-wars/177442/150 "2003-05-28T21:46:02Z")
> [@](#): > > from _Voyager_ > Finally, Amidala telling Anni they shouldn’t get involved while wearing clothes from Fredericks of Coruscant. Pitiful. Yeah, I’ll second this… That scene seemed pretty contrived – “But we’d be forced to live a lie…” What lie? What’s wrong with hooking up? You’re still a senator, he’s still a Jedi, what’s the freaking lie? Tell people you’re hooking up and they can just deal with it. (And while this outfit didn’t do it for me, I must admit that I really liked her torn arena outfit…! :D) * * * And then there’s the marketing of the Episode II DVD, a commercial inflicted upon humankind with no thought of mercy or compassion. “Who Da Man? Yoda Man!” I want retribution. I want satisfaction. I want the responsible party’s head on a platter. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2003, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-the-other-side-things-that-bug-you-about-star-wars/177442/151 "2003-05-28T21:53:30Z")
No, he’d be kicked out of the Jedi Order if he got married. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2003, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-the-other-side-things-that-bug-you-about-star-wars/177442/152 "2003-05-28T22:23:57Z")
But didn’t he get married at the end of ATOC? Does this mean he has to turn in his Jedi tie tack and label pin now? Maybe he could just skip the marriage, and keep her as a bit of senatorial fun on the side… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2003, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-the-other-side-things-that-bug-you-about-star-wars/177442/153 "2003-05-28T22:38:40Z")
Well, you see, they’re setting him up for the required plot point in ep III of hunting down the Jedi. Which was a good plot point, untill they ruined it by casting N’Synch/98degrees as a young pre-Darth Anikin. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2003, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-the-other-side-things-that-bug-you-about-star-wars/177442/154 "2003-05-28T23:33:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Achernar \* > \*\ ***jsc1953** : They weren’t _all_ replaced. Obi-Wan was in the “bad” two. In fact, the only film I liked him in was Episode II. In that, he was a cool adventure hero. In the other films, he was either a confused dolt, or a pedantic, lying coot. \*\* But I _liked_ the pedantic, lying coot. Or rather, I liked Sir Alec Guinness. And he’s either (a) lying, or (b) Lucas made stuff up as he went along and didn’t give a rat’s ass about continuity. I’m going with (b). ---
**Author:** ![Crowbar\_of\_Irony\_3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f08c70/32.png) [@Crowbar\_of\_Irony\_3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crowbar_of_Irony_3)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2003, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-the-other-side-things-that-bug-you-about-star-wars/177442/155 "2003-05-29T05:54:51Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Guinastasia \* > \*\*No, he’d be kicked out of the Jedi Order if he got married. \*\* Here’s my biggest deal about Jedi… In Star Wars I, Lucas established that it is some type of chemical (midi-whatisthat?) which affects how senstitive one is to the Force. Luke, because he is Vadar’s son, is therefore a powerful Jedi because his father is. If Jedis are not allowed to marry, where does young Jedis come from? Aren’t they elminating potential Jedi population? ---
**Author:** ![Achernar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e274bd/32.png) [@Achernar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Achernar)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2003, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-the-other-side-things-that-bug-you-about-star-wars/177442/156 "2003-05-29T11:29:30Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by NoClueBoy \* > I also think that the “Vader murdered your father” line, which was later revealed to be a lie so Luke and Vader could have that wonderful “Luke. I am your father.” “NOOOOO!” exchange was a mistake in the first show… What do you think? I don’t think it was a mistake _per se_, but I agree with **jsc1953** that Lucas made this bit up as he went along. A lot of stories do this, which is fine with me, but you have to take the characters for what they are then, and you can’t excuse them because of the actions of their writers. I liked Alec Guinness too, but I wish that he had been given the role of the EpII Obi-Wan aged 35 years instead of what he had. “Who’s the more foolish?” What a jerk. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Leechboy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9fc348/32.png) [@Leechboy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leechboy)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2003, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-the-other-side-things-that-bug-you-about-star-wars/177442/157 "2003-05-29T14:28:26Z")
The changing of “The Force” from “zen-like harnessing of a universal force through practice” to “Scientifically calculable genetic coding that increases the ability to have astoundingly dumb luck.” The change from exotic aliens with indisitinct and unusual dialects to aliens with identifiable ethnic origins (What’s next, “Greedo Gonzales”?) Using American comedian Greg Proops as the dual headed commentator for the pod race, the voice just bugs me. The astoundingly clitoral design of the platoform where Count Dooku and the Fett’s watch the Jedi battle in Pt II. The man who gave us the Tie-Fighter, X-Wing and Millenium Falcon et al. Has the villain of Part II escaping from the Repulican army on a flying Vespa. Yoda’s “Around the survivors a perimeter create” Finally, I hate the fact that many millions of dollars are being spent to give us what is three movies of essentially pointless backstory. So the catalyst for the Empire was a trade dispute, great, put that in as a paragraph of expositionary dialogue in the first film, but for God’s sake don’t waste our time by showing us people arguing in parliament. Besides, doesn’t finding out the Annakin story ruin the big payoff of Empire? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2003, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-the-other-side-things-that-bug-you-about-star-wars/177442/158 "2003-05-29T14:55:14Z")
> [@](#): > > The change from exotic aliens with indisitinct and unusual dialects to aliens with identifiable ethnic origins (What’s next, “Greedo Gonzales”?) The most entertaining thing for me in Episode Two was something related to this. There was the controversy about the Trade Federation people being Asian stereotypes with the accents, then the one about Jar-Jar and black/slave stereotypes… and then some people complained that Watto was supposed to be Jewish. The last one amused me by itself. THEN came his appearance in Episode Two. Watto appears only briefly… and he’s got a beard, and is wearing something that looks a good deal like a yarmulke. I’m surprised I didn’t have a fatal aneurysm from laughing so hard. 😃 [You can see a picture here if you scroll down.](http://www.livejournal.com/users/cheshyre/623.html) > [@](#): > > Using American comedian Greg Proops as the dual headed commentator for the pod race, the voice just bugs me. Ooh, we have a serious candidate for “worst line ever” in here: “No matter what universe you’re from, that’s _gotta_ hurt.” UGH. ---
**Author:** ![TwungTister](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbce88/32.png) [@TwungTister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwungTister)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2003, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-the-other-side-things-that-bug-you-about-star-wars/177442/159 "2003-05-29T16:11:03Z")
**That dead people evaporate and there are no remains to bury!** ---
**Author:** ![Kaspar\_Hauser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b3f665/32.png) [@Kaspar\_Hauser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kaspar_Hauser)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2003, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-the-other-side-things-that-bug-you-about-star-wars/177442/160 "2003-05-29T17:04:14Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by TwungTister \* > \*\ ***That dead people evaporate and there are no remains to bury!** \*\* Wrong series! There are lots of corpses in Star Wars. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-the-other-side-things-that-bug-you-about-star-wars/177442.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-the-other-side-things-that-bug-you-about-star-wars/177442.md?page=9)