# And now: What about all those cops turning their backs on De Blasio? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 27, 2014, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293 "2014-12-27T20:22:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2015, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/381 "2015-01-05T18:49:35Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > No, this can’t be put to bed yet. > > The actions of the mobs of angry, professional, protesters keep these officers in the forefront of the minds of most people who are interested in these stories. No, it’s the corporate media being patriotically correct in its continued verbal fellation of everyone in uniform. Anyone else catch this on NBC’s New Year’s Eve show? The cast was getting bombarded with balloons from the crowd, it appeared they were getting genuinely annoyed. Then one of them sports an NYPD cap and lo and behold, the balloons stopped. Was the NYPD extorting the broadcast- wear our cap or the show suffers? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2015, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/382 "2015-01-05T18:56:43Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > **John Mace** … **John Mace** asked a simple question that you were unable to answer. And, of course, not a single one of these cops has been charged with insubordination, so unless you have examples of where a cop was thus charged for not facing a TV screen when the mayor was shown on it, then it looks like you’re just plain wrong. Call me as many names as you’d like, but you’re wrong. The issue is not one of politics, but facts. You’re on the wrong side of the facts on this one, _amigo_. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2015, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/383 "2015-01-05T19:01:51Z")
> [@Sinaptics](#): > > I find it a bit strange, too. However, I think it’s all in the method. It’s not cops saying, “You’re right. We’re wrong. We need to do a better job of deescalation and not resort to violence so quickly.” It’s the cops being petulant and saying, “If it’s not our way, this is the service you can expect.” If the anti-police protesters insist on threatening the lives of police officers, police officers are going to be calling for backup on a regular basis. Better safe than sorry. Or assassinated. The protesters have succeeded in reducing the number of arrests being made. And congratulations to De Blasio, Holder, Obama, and MSNBC spokemodels for not doing their part to make the public safer. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2015, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/384 "2015-01-05T19:15:48Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > No, it’s the corporate media being patriotically correct in its continued verbal fellation of everyone in uniform. > > Anyone else catch this on NBC’s New Year’s Eve show? The cast was getting bombarded with balloons from the crowd, it appeared they were getting genuinely annoyed. Then one of them sports an NYPD cap and lo and behold, the balloons stopped. Was the NYPD extorting the broadcast- wear our cap or the show suffers? (were these water balloons? vodka balloons? helium balloons?) It sounds like the NYE crowd didn’t approve of NBC’s show, or maybe it was the NBC presenters that the crowd found unacceptable? I assume the crowd respects the job the NYPD has been doing. The crowd knows that NBC isn’t doing anything to actually stop crime. NBC will be more than happy to photograph you getting mugged, and if it bleeds, it leads, but they won’t stop an aggravated battery, car-jacker, strong-armed robber, pick-pocket, or rescue a person from burning car. ---
**Author:** ![camille](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/22d042/32.png) [@camille](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/camille)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2015, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/385 "2015-01-05T19:26:32Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > If the anti-police protesters insist on threatening the lives of police officers, police officers are going to be calling for backup on a regular basis. Better safe than sorry. Or assassinated. > > The protesters have succeeded in reducing the number of arrests being made. And congratulations to De Blasio, Holder, Obama, and MSNBC spokemodels for not doing their part to make the public safer. But we are safer than ever before. The crime rate is at an historic low for NYC. The NYPD stopped making _unnecessary arrests_ and guess what? Nothing happened. No crime wave. The only people cowering in fear are the NYPD officers who require back up on all their calls. Safety first, right? I guess we have more cops than we need if they can double up like that with no problems. Good to know during the ongoing contract negotiations, huh? ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2015, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/386 "2015-01-05T19:35:22Z")
> [@Donald\_Rump](#): > > **doorhinge** , do you honestly believe that because some lone maniac from Baltimore who also saw fit to shoot his girlfriend that day killed two cops, police officers should be so quaking with fear that they can no longer write parking tickets? Do you honestly believe that a slowdown that (according to the NY Post) primarily centers on decreasing revenue-raising summonses for minor offenses is primarily an issue of police putting “safety first?” It’s not one lone incident that has created this very real need for police officers to backup their fellow officers. It’s the constant death threats from the protesters, arsonists, cop-punchers, cop-kickers, hammer-carrying NY college professors-who-throw-garbage-cans-at-police, psychotic, fanatical, ax-wielding assholes, pulse the De Blasio, who backs the anti-Terry stop ruling of a judge who was subsequently REMOVED from the case for bias. Safety First. If the protesters want to threaten the lives of cops, more cops will respond to every call. The net result is fewer calls being answered. The streets of NYC will be less safe. De Blasio will have to answer to the voters for dragging NYC back to the bad ol’ days of when criminals ran Time Square. Hooray for the one-termer De Blasio. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2015, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/387 "2015-01-05T19:45:04Z")
> [@camille](#): > > But we are safer than ever before. The crime rate is at an historic low for NYC. The NYPD stopped making _unnecessary arrests_ and guess what? Nothing happened. No crime wave. The only people cowering in fear are the NYPD officers who require back up on all their calls. Safety first, right? I guess we have more cops than we need if they can double up like that with no problems. Good to know during the ongoing contract negotiations, huh? It took a while for crime levels to reach epic proportions. It took time to reduce crime levels to a somewhat acceptable level. Now, NYC has to come up with a politically-appointed commission (or maybe they have already done so?) to judge which stop-and-frisk stops are still acceptable and which aren’t. And now there will be fewer arrests. And career criminals would never think of taking advantage of such a situation. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2015, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/388 "2015-01-05T19:48:43Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > It’s the constant death threats from the protesters, arsonists, cop-punchers, cop-kickers, hammer-carrying NY college professors-who-throw-garbage-cans-at-police, psychotic, fanatical, ax-wielding assholes, pulse the De Blasio, who backs the anti-Terry stop ruling of a judge who was subsequently REMOVED from the case for bias. Are you trying to wrap up the over-the-top post of 2015 award so early in the year? Good Lord, built up to it slowly. “constant death threats from the protesters”? Really? Just out of curiosity, is there any circumstance in which protests against police would be appropriate? ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2015, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/389 "2015-01-05T19:51:43Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > I’ll admit that I haven’t read this whole thread yet, but I wanted to respond to this while it was fresh in my mind. You reminded me of something that Anthony Jeselnik said to Charlie Sheen during his Comedy Central Roast: I’m sure this made sense to you when you wrote it, but I have no idea what message you are trying to convey? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2015, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/390 "2015-01-05T19:55:06Z")
> [@](#): > > …The only people cowering in fear are the NYPD officers who require back up on all their calls. Safety first, right?.. Actually, I think there are a number of good points to having backup calls as a standard procedure. Not necessarily a requirement, but a policy. If the cops feel safer, then, in a way, they _are_ safer, they are less likely to overreact. Also, more witnesses, more body cameras in case of an unfortunate malfunction. A GPS system would be simple enough, such that if Car 54 is at the intersection of Madison and Wall Streets, and reports that they are going into cop-like action, it would be easy to see if maybe Car 55 is close to hand and can swing by. Gotta hire more cops? That has obvious upsides, getting a younger and more diversified force is IMhO a good thing. I might also suggest a temporary opportunity for older cops to retire early with less impact on their pension security. Plenty of room in Idaho, still lots of fish. Hire more, train them better, pay them better, and watch every move they make. Good cops aren’t going to mind, the bad ones become more likely to start eying the door marked “Exit”. Such efforts may go a long way towards curtailing the ravening mobs of shrieking, violent barbarian protestors threatening our nation, our culture, our heritage and the fabric of the space time continuum. (Seriously, **doorhinge** : get a grip…) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2015, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/391 "2015-01-05T20:11:55Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > … **John Mace** has the reputation of right-winger smart enough not to vote for the lunatics and hypocrites. But, at heart, he’s still a stupid right-winger. Perhaps **Lord Feldon** is his fellow-traveler… No fair. **John** ’s commitment to a resolutely non-partisan standard is a matter of public record hereabouts. And that could be very useful when the tighty-rightys move to negotiate the terms of their surrender. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2015, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/392 "2015-01-05T20:19:34Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Are you trying to wrap up the over-the-top post of 2015 award so early in the year? Good Lord, built up to it slowly. > > “constant death threats from the protesters”? Really? > > Just out of curiosity, is there any circumstance in which protests against police would be appropriate? Over-the-top? They’re all incidents that have occurred. The protesters threatened police lives in Ferguson. The police respond by waiting for backup before they could secure the scene of Brown’s death. Shots were fired at police. It took four hours before the scene would be secure enough for the coroner to remove the body. The following day, police responded in riot gear and armored vehicles because of the death threats from the crowd. The crowd got what they asked for. And then bitched about that, also. Garner died from heart failure. Police witnessed a crime, called for backup, Garner refused to comply, Garner was taken to the ground, and handcuffed. Garner was alive when he was placed IN TO the ambulance. (As I understand it, the responding paramedics were suspended for not taking whatever appropriate action they should have taken when dealing with Garner.) The threats to police have been on-going. The “police lives don’t matter” graffiti. The death threats to 9-1-1. Burning police cars. The 6-person protester assault against 2 officers trying to arrest the hammer-carrying, garbage can-throwing, NYC college professor. These incidents can’t, and won’t, be ignored. How dare the police defend themselves? It’s foolish of anyone to think that the police won’t defend themselves. But that’s what the protesters what, another incident that will be slanted and misreported by the CNN-types. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2015, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/393 "2015-01-05T20:19:49Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > No fair. **John** ’s commitment to a resolutely non-partisan standard is a matter of public record hereabouts. And that could be very useful when the tighty-rightys move to negotiate the terms of their surrender. Come the Libertarian Revolution, you can count on me to get you a Letter of Transit to Canada. Just meet me at Rick’s. I’ll be in the back, at the roulette wheel. ---
**Author:** ![Donald\_Rump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Donald\_Rump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Donald_Rump)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2015, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/394 "2015-01-05T20:23:05Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Gotta hire more cops? That has obvious upsides, getting a younger and more diversified force is IMhO a good thing. I might also suggest a temporary opportunity for older cops to retire early with less impact on their pension security. Plenty of room in Idaho, still lots of fish. Hire more, train them better, pay them better, and watch every move they make. Good cops aren’t going to mind, the bad ones become more likely to start eying the door marked “Exit”. The problem I have is that by throwing enough money at the issue, we could make being an NYC cop arbitrarily safe–name the available budget, I’ll name you an achievable level of safety to cops. We could spend half the NYC budget on hiring more cops, getting them more training, more equipment, and generally giving them more and asking less of them. To compensate for any residual risk of being harmed (there will always be the unattended banana peel in the precinct pantry), we could give them longer retirements and richer pensions. We can do all these things and more. The question is whether those decisions should be made by cops themselves lording it over the citizenry (e.g. deciding on their own to double up and thus cut productivity by half) or whether it should be made by the people of NYC, their duly elected mayor, and his police commissioner. I’m all for the police union arguing that they are overworked and/or underpaid. I’m not in favor of them doing so by using mendaciously demagogic arguments about various politicians’ supposed culpability in the recent murders of police officers. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2015, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/395 "2015-01-05T20:28:24Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > …A GPS system would be simple enough, such that if Car 54 is at the intersection of Madison and Wall Streets, and reports that they are going into cop-like action, it would be easy to see if maybe Car 55 is close to hand and can swing by. > > Gotta hire more cops? That has obvious upsides, getting a younger and more diversified force is IMhO a good thing… (post shortened) Career criminals like Garner would love to know where Toody and Muldoon’s prowl car is currently located. What better way to avoid arrest than to know where the cops are? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2015, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/396 "2015-01-05T20:30:00Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Come the Libertarian Revolution, you can count on me to get you a Letter of Transit to Canada. Just meet me at Rick’s. I’ll be in the back, at the roulette wheel. Just send it to me in care of the Home for the Chronically Groovy. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2015, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/397 "2015-01-05T20:30:34Z")
[Tom Tomorrow has it pretty well nailed.](http://www.dailykos.com/blog/Tom%20Tomorrow/) ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2015, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/398 "2015-01-05T21:13:52Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > **John Mace** asked a simple question … Anyone who thinks the issue is whether there’s some paragraph 7, clause 2(b) specifically condemning the asshole cops is pursuing irrelevancy. The issue is whether their presentation should make New York City proud and respectful of their cops. I think not. I don’t know what you think – you seem not to even know what the question is! :smack: ---
**Author:** ![camille](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/22d042/32.png) [@camille](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/camille)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2015, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/399 "2015-01-05T21:16:25Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > It took a while for crime levels to reach epic proportions. It took time to reduce crime levels to a somewhat acceptable level. Now, NYC has to come up with a politically-appointed commission (or maybe they have already done so?) to judge which stop-and-frisk stops are still acceptable and which aren’t. > > And now there will be fewer arrests. And career criminals would never think of taking advantage of such a situation. :rolleyes: Nope. You can roll your eyes and hope for bad things to happen in the future, just to further your political agenda, but unless and until it does you are simply WRONG. [Stop-and-frisks, which almost exclusively targeted black and Hispanic men, are down 79 percent through the first nine months of 2014. And instead of descending into chaos and crime, New York has also seen less violent crime. Mayor Bill de Blasio announced on Tuesday the city’s crime rate fell 4.4 percent in the first 11 months of the year.](http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120461/nypd-stop-and-frisk-drops-79-percent-and-crime-drops-too) Press conference on TV right now: Overall crime down 4.6% for the entire year (2014). 😛 ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2015, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/400 "2015-01-05T21:30:06Z")
> [@camille](#): > > Nope. You can roll your eyes and hope for bad things to happen in the future, just to further your political agenda, but unless and until it does you are simply WRONG. > > Press conference on TV right now: Overall crime down 4.6% for the entire year (2014). 😛 And career criminals would never think of taking advantage of such a situation. It took years (decades?) for the criminal element to slowly undermine and discourage honest shop keepers and drive tourists and locals away from once prosperous areas. Oh, and if you understand that I’m talking about the future, you’re assumption that I’m maybe, going to be, might be wrong in the future is amusing, but it’s still your opinion and I can respect that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293.md?page=21)