# And now: What about all those cops turning their backs on De Blasio? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 27, 2014, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293 "2014-12-27T20:22:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![Donald\_Rump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Donald\_Rump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Donald_Rump)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2015, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/401 "2015-01-05T21:50:23Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > It took a while for crime levels to reach epic proportions. It took time to reduce crime levels to a somewhat acceptable level. Now, NYC has to come up with a politically-appointed commission (or maybe they have already done so?) to judge which stop-and-frisk stops are still acceptable and which aren’t. > > And now there will be fewer arrests. And career criminals would never think of taking advantage of such a situation. :rolleyes: Do you have evidence supporting your view that stop-and-frisk, or broken windows policing in general, had anything to do with the decline in crime in NYC from the late 1980s through today? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2015, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/402 "2015-01-05T22:02:39Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > If the anti-police protesters insist on threatening the lives of police officers, police officers are going to be calling for backup on a regular basis. Better safe than sorry. Or assassinated. “Victor five-nine, I’ve got a maroon 4-door '82 Buick Skylark, registered to a Petunia Stubbs… 82-year-old female Caucasian. Suspect appears to be armed with an explosive device, some kind of oxygen tank. Need immediate backup, repeat, immediate backup!” ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2015, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/403 "2015-01-05T22:06:19Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > “Victor five-nine, I’ve got a maroon 4-door '82 Buick Skylark, registered to a Petunia Stubbs… 82-year-old female Caucasian. Suspect appears to be armed with an explosive device, some kind of oxygen tank. Need immediate backup, repeat, immediate backup!” I know them Stubbs and Petunia is the worst one. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2015, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/404 "2015-01-05T22:19:25Z")
> [@Donald\_Rump](#): > > Do you have evidence supporting your view that stop-and-frisk, or broken windows policing in general, had anything to do with the decline in crime in NYC from the late 1980s through today? Why would the police or mayor resort to documented evidence to support their claims that violent crimes and crimes in general were reduced? Everyone knows that criminals simply leave an area because they want to give the locals a break. :rolleyes: Areas of NYC have become healthy, tax-revenue producing areas because of increased police patrols. New businesses have been coming to areas that were now safer than they had been. Over the decades, there have been many programs and policies in addition to “broken windows” and “stop and frisk”. Is any one of them solely responsible for improvements to an area? I don’t think so. Does the awareness that cops will be stopping turn-style jumpers convince gang-bangers to leave their switchblades and firearms at home? Probably. Even criminals are smart enough to know where they’re not wanted AND A GOOD GUY WITH A GUN IS WILLING TO CONFRONT THEM, with as much backup as necessary. ---
**Author:** ![Donald\_Rump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Donald\_Rump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Donald_Rump)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2015, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/405 "2015-01-05T22:33:46Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Why would the police or mayor resort to documented evidence to support their claims that violent crimes and crimes in general were reduced? Everyone knows that criminals simply leave an area because they want to give the locals a break. :rolleyes: > > Areas of NYC have become healthy, tax-revenue producing areas because of increased police patrols. New businesses have been coming to areas that were now safer than they had been. Over the decades, there have been many programs and policies in addition to “broken windows” and “stop and frisk”. Is any one of them solely responsible for improvements to an area? I don’t think so. Does the awareness that cops will be stopping turn-style jumpers convince gang-bangers to leave their switchblades and firearms at home? Probably. Even criminals are smart enough to know where they’re not wanted AND A GOOD GUY WITH A GUN IS WILLING TO CONFRONT THEM, with as much backup as necessary. In other words, you have no evidence. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2015, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/406 "2015-01-05T23:02:31Z")
> [@Donald\_Rump](#): > > In other words, you have no evidence. Why do you assume that there was a decline in crime in NYC from the late 1980s through today? Did someone tell you that, did you just make it up, or did you see statistics that suggested there was a drop in crime? If there was a decline, was it because career criminals simply decided to abandon their life of crime, or because the mayor simply asked career criminals to stop preying on people, or because there were police officers who were willing to risk their lives? ---
**Author:** ![Donald\_Rump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Donald\_Rump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Donald_Rump)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2015, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/407 "2015-01-05T23:15:48Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Why do you assume that there was a decline in crime in NYC from the late 1980s through today? Did someone tell you that, did you just make it up, or did you see statistics that suggested there was a drop in crime? If there was a decline, was it because career criminals simply decided to abandon their life of crime, or because the mayor simply asked career criminals to stop preying on people, or because there were police officers who were willing to risk their lives? I saw statistics reflecting a drop in crime ([pdf](http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0LEVivcGatUeb4Agi8PxQt.;_ylu=X3oDMTBybnV2cXQwBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMgRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkAw--/RV=2/RE=1420528220/RO=10/RU=http%3a%2f%2fwww.nyc.gov%2fhtml%2fnypd%2fdownloads%2fpdf%2fcrime_statistics%2fcscity.pdf/RK=0/RS=5_BEZw20dwP.pmdqmXtVPBESEi8-)). Also long-term stats on [homicides](http://knowmore.washingtonpost.com/2013/12/30/new-yorks-murder-rate-is-now-below-one-a-day-thats-a-first/). There are many reasons why crime could have declined, whether you’re imaginative enough to contemplate them or not. Some may have had to do with policing, others not. Those that had to do with policing could have been related to “broken windows,” or to other changes in how police do their work. Your assumption that crime declined because of broken windows policing is (partially) supported by the chronology of events but not much else. Here’s hoping the rooster crows tomorrow, lest the sun not rise. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2015, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/408 "2015-01-05T23:16:08Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Areas of NYC have become healthy, tax-revenue producing areas because of increased police patrols. You say that _government_ produces economic growth! _Heresy!_ To the stake with the blasphemer!! ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2015, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/409 "2015-01-05T23:19:01Z")
> [@Donald\_Rump](#): > > deciding on their own to double up and thus cut productivity by half Well, they’ve apparently decided to test the proposition “We’re underworked and overpaid by a factor of two” and demonstrated it to be true. The policy prescriptions that flow from this result are left as an exercise for the student. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2015, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/410 "2015-01-05T23:30:26Z")
> [@Sinaptics](#): > > I find it a bit strange, too. However, I think it’s all in the method. It’s not cops saying, “You’re right. We’re wrong. We need to do a better job of deescalation and not resort to violence so quickly.” It’s the cops being petulant and saying, “If it’s not our way, this is the service you can expect.” This. It has nothing to do with any armed insurrection or civil war against cops. it has nothing to do with any real fear (if they are that terrified they need to find a different job). It has to do with a union fight against, and a personal grudge against their boss, the mayor. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2015, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/411 "2015-01-05T23:31:59Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Breaking news: [they’ve done it again at Liu’s funeral.](http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/01/nypd-cops-turn-their-backs-again-on-mayor-de-blasio-at-funeral-for-slain-police-officer-wenjian-liu/) No class, self important, petulant assholes. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2015, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/412 "2015-01-05T23:41:29Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Not nearly as mature as the protesters daily threats against the lives of police officers and their families. That “claim” was manufactured lies, originating out of the Baltimore Fox affiliate station. the people involved had edited the tapes. Since that time they have been fired. By Fox, who also issued a retratcion. The protestors were NOT calling for the killing of cops. > **[WBFF FOX 45](https://www.facebook.com/FOXBaltimore/posts/10152551827324607)** > > Fox45 is apologizing for an error made on Fox45 News at Ten last night. We aired a clip from a protest in Washington, DC where we reported protesters were chanting “kill a cop”. We received a phone... > [@](#): > > WBFF FOX 45 > > December 22, 2014 at 1:40pm · > . > Fox45 is apologizing for an error made on Fox45 News at Ten last night. We aired a clip from a protest in Washington, DC where we reported protesters were chanting “kill a cop”. We received a phone call from Tawanda Jones, who is in the video, who informed us that the chant was actually “We won’t stop….We can’t stop…. ‘til killer cops…. are in cell blocks”. We here at Fox45 work hard every day to earn your trust and bring you fair and comprehensive news from around the country. Although last night’s report reflected an honest misunderstanding of what the protesters were saying, we apologize for the error. We have deleted the story on our webpage and we offered to have Ms. Jones on Fox45 News at 5:00 tonight for a live interview. We had a constructive conversation with her earlier today and she has accepted our invitation and will join us for a live interview at 5:30. [http://newpittsburghcourieronline.com/2014/12/25/baltimore-fox-affiliate-falsely-reports-activist-endorsed-killing-cops-at-dc-protest/](http://newpittsburghcourieronline.com/2014/12/25/baltimore-fox-affiliate-falsely-reports-activist-endorsed-killing-cops-at-dc-protest/) > [@](#): > > Baltimore Fox affiliate falsely reports activist endorsed killing cops at DC protest > > WBFF Fox 45 News has found itself embroiled in controversy after reporting that Baltimore activist Tawanda Jones called for the death of police officers in an apparent rush to sensationalize a week-old protest against police brutality and capitalize on the killing of two police officers in New York City by Ismaaiyl Brinsley over the weekend. > > WBFF, Fox’s Baltimore affiliate, reported on Sunday that Baltimore activist Tawanda Jones had led a crowd in chanting “we won’t stop, we can’t stop, so kill a cop” during protests against police brutality in Washington, D.C., on Dec. 13, when she was actually chanting “we won’t stop, we can’t stop, ‘til killer cops, are in cell blocks.” > > Jones’ brother, Tyrone West, was killed by Baltimore Police officers in July of 2013 and she has been peacefully protesting against police brutality for 73 weeks since. > … The station has since issued an apology on-air and online for the mistaken report, calling the initial report “an honest misunderstanding of what the protesters were saying.” Jones was also interviewed on the air by Fox 45 anchor Jeff Barnd in addition to sitting down for a lengthier interview with reporter Keith Daniels. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2015, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/413 "2015-01-05T23:43:14Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > You say that _government_ produces economic growth! _Heresy!_ To the stake with the blasphemer!! Gosh, no, I did not say that. Are you responding to the correct thread? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2015, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/414 "2015-01-05T23:46:15Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Well obviously that’s on account of their shooting anything even tentatively conceptually possibly menacing, e.g. 12 year olds with toy guns. It’s a tough gig, you gotta be proactive man. That specific guy had already been declared unfit by his previous bosses at another police department. > **[Officer who killed Tamir Rice found unfit in previous police job](https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/officer-who-killed-tamir-rice-found-unfit-previous-police-job-msna471801)** > > The officer who shot and killed 12-year-old Tamir Rice last month resigned from his previous job after less than five months when he was deemed emotionally > [@](#): > > Officer who killed Tamir Rice found unfit in previous police job > > The Cleveland police officer who shot and killed 12-year-old Tamir Rice last month resigned from his previous small-town police job after less than five months when he was deemed emotionally unstable and unfit for duty — especially in his handling of firearms — according to personnel records released Wednesday. > > [Video Shows Cleveland Cop Shoot 12-Year-Old Tamir Rice Within Seconds](http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/video-shows-cleveland-cop-shoot-12-year-old-tamir-rice-n256656) > > Video released by the Cleveland police showed Officer Timothy A. Loehmann, 26, shooting Tamir immediately upon leaving his police car on Nov. 22. Investigators said Tamir was reaching into his waistband for a weapon — which turned out to be a toy pellet gun. The Cuyahoga County prosecutor plans to take the case before a grand jury to decide any charges. > > Loehmann’s Cleveland personnel file shows that he was hired in May and that his resignation from the police department in the Cleveland suburb of Independence was noted. > > The Independence squad released Loehmann’s personnel records (PDF) Wednesday, showing he quit his $42,157-a-year job as a patrolman in training on Dec. 3, 2012 — just a day after he graduated from the Cleveland Heights Police Academy and less than five months after he was hired in July 2012. > > In a November 2012 memo, Deputy Chief Jim Polak recommended that Loehmann be dismissed. He cited a report from a firearms instructor who said Loehmann showed up for training “distracted,” “weepy” and unable to “communicate clear thoughts,” as a result of which, “his handgun performance was dismal.” ---
**Author:** ![Donald\_Rump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Donald\_Rump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Donald_Rump)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2015, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/415 "2015-01-05T23:57:26Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > That “claim” was manufactured lies, originating out of the Baltimore Fox affiliate station. the people involved had edited the tapes. Since that time they have been fired. By Fox, who also issued a retratcion. The protestors were NOT calling for the killing of cops. > > [WBFF FOX 45](https://www.facebook.com/FOXBaltimore/posts/10152551827324607) > [http://newpittsburghcourieronline.com/2014/12/25/baltimore-fox-affiliate-falsely-reports-activist-endorsed-killing-cops-at-dc-protest/](http://newpittsburghcourieronline.com/2014/12/25/baltimore-fox-affiliate-falsely-reports-activist-endorsed-killing-cops-at-dc-protest/) That patticular video was selectively edited. But the authenticity of a different video where hooligans chant, “what do we want? Dead cops!” is not in dispute. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/b-dr_IhQu-I/hqdefault.jpg "Protesters Chant 'What Do We Want, Dead Cops'") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-dr_IhQu-I) ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2015, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/416 "2015-01-06T01:02:24Z")
> [@Donald\_Rump](#): > > That patticular video was selectively edited. But the authenticity of a different video where hooligans chant, “what do we want? Dead cops!” is not in dispute. > > [https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b-dr\_IhQu-I](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b-dr_IhQu-I) I remember a clip from [_Making Sense of the Sixties_](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0318906/) where armed and uniformed Black Panthers standing in ranks were chanting, “Revolution is co-ome! OFF THE PIGS! Time to take up the gu-un! OFF THE PIGS!” Of course, they never actually offed any AFAIK. ---
**Author:** ![Crawlspace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Crawlspace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crawlspace)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2015, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/417 "2015-01-06T01:14:05Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > And now there will be fewer arrests. And career criminals would never think of taking advantage of such a situation. :rolleyes: I know. I’m sure they’re all having a good laugh about this back at their hide out. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2015, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/418 "2015-01-06T02:22:35Z")
> [@Crawlspace](#): > > I know. I’m sure they’re all having a good laugh about this back at their hide out. :rolleyes: I’m pretty confident **doorhinge** thinks every criminal looks like [this](http://images.clipartof.com/small/1105132-Buff-Bank-Robber-Holding-A-Money-Bag-And-Pistol-Poster-Art-Print.jpg). Only, yanno, _blacker_. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2015, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/419 "2015-01-06T02:27:41Z")
Wait! This is momentous news and cannot be glossed over because the \*\*doorhinge \*\*show is in town–Fox News RETRACTED a story? Sure, it was an affiliate, but has corporate heard about this? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2015, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/420 "2015-01-06T02:47:41Z")
Fox News reported promptly on CNN’s retraction of CNN’s story, along with comments by Steve Douche mourning the unreliability of the liberal media. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293.md?page=22)