# And now: What about all those cops turning their backs on De Blasio? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 27, 2014, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293 "2014-12-27T20:22:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![BOOM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c4cdca/32.png) [@BOOM](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BOOM)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2015, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/421 "2015-01-06T02:53:12Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Not nearly as mature as the protesters daily threats against the lives of police officers and their families. Or as mature as the arsonists, looters, assassins of police officers, and protesters who beat and kick police officers for attempting to arrest criminals. > > Truly bizarre behavior from adults. This post is more infantile than the action of those police officers. It’s like a schoolyard he-did-I-did. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2015, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/422 "2015-01-06T04:13:47Z")
Speaking of being infantile . . . At the risk of being infantile myself and injecting a crude and purely _ad hominem_ attack into this otherwise fine discussion . . . Every time I see that picture of [_this face_](http://media.salon.com/2015/01/patrick_lynch3-copy.jpg) I get the creepy-crawlies. That guy looks like a creepy distorted alien from some febrile nightmare in an old Hitchcock movie. Geez, the guy is creepy looking. (BTW, that particular pic is from “[The NYPD’s mini-rebellion, and the true face of American fascism](http://www.salon.com/2015/01/03/the_nypds_mini_rebellion_and_the_true_face_of_american_fascism/)” in Salon a couple days ago.) ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2015, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/423 "2015-01-06T04:29:05Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > Speaking of being infantile . . . At the risk of being infantile myself and injecting a crude and purely _ad hominem_ attack into this otherwise fine discussion . . . > > Every time I see that picture of [_this face_](http://media.salon.com/2015/01/patrick_lynch3-copy.jpg) I get the creepy-crawlies. That guy looks like a creepy distorted alien from some febrile nightmare in an old Hitchcock movie. Geez, the guy is creepy looking. > > (BTW, that particular pic is from “[The NYPD’s mini-rebellion, and the true face of American fascism](http://www.salon.com/2015/01/03/the_nypds_mini_rebellion_and_the_true_face_of_american_fascism/)” in Salon a couple days ago.) Thank you for the link to that article; it was excellent. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2015, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/424 "2015-01-06T20:40:08Z")
> [@andros](#): > > I’m pretty confident **doorhinge** thinks every criminal looks like [this](http://images.clipartof.com/small/1105132-Buff-Bank-Robber-Holding-A-Money-Bag-And-Pistol-Poster-Art-Print.jpg). > Only, yanno, _blacker_. Hahahaha. That’s funny. For the next week, every time I see a silly cartoon and a racist assumption, I’ll think of the value of your post. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2015, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/425 "2015-01-06T21:02:38Z")
> [@Crawlspace](#): > > I know. I’m sure they’re all having a good laugh about this back at their hide out. :rolleyes: You KNOW? Really? Is this insider information from the _ **hide out** _? What costume does the **Crawlspace** wear? Or is it Kid **Crawlspace**? The **Crawlspace** Master? Is it the usual tights and cape, or something more original? What’s your super power? Eavesdropping from under floorboards? Scaring spiders? Radon gas detection? Is Marvel Comics aware of your abilities? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2015, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/426 "2015-01-06T21:04:38Z")
I’m not sure what’s sadder. **doorhinge** being serious, or **doorhinge** trying to be funny. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2015, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/427 "2015-01-06T21:08:26Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > That “claim” was manufactured lies, originating out of the Baltimore Fox affiliate station. the people involved had edited the tapes. Since that time they have been fired. By Fox, who also issued a retratcion. The protestors were NOT calling for the killing of cops. Wrong “claim”. Guess again. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2015, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/428 "2015-01-06T21:40:37Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Hahahaha. That’s funny. For the next week, every time I see a silly cartoon and a racist assumption, I’ll think of the value of your post. 😃 Well, you’re right about one thing: I do make racist assumptions. I assume you’re racist. But only based on your words. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2015, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/429 "2015-01-06T21:49:46Z")
> [@Donald\_Rump](#): > > …There are many reasons why crime could have declined, whether you’re imaginative enough to contemplate them or not. Some may have had to do with policing, others not. Those that had to do with policing could have been related to “broken windows,” or to other changes in how police do their work. Your assumption that crime declined because of broken windows policing is (partially) supported by the chronology of events but not much else. > > Here’s hoping the rooster crows tomorrow, lest the sun not rise. There have been lots-o-changes thru the 80’s, 90’s, 2000’s, 2010’s, plus 5 more years. Changing legislation, rules, and regulations, multiple PR campaigns, new police chiefs, new mayors, new departments, fewer old departments, new techniques, etc. Broken Windows is just one change. Was it as effective as some people think? idk. Is it as bad as some people think? idk. I’m not a native New Yawker, just an outside observer. De Blasio campaigned against it (as well as other issues) and won the election. The NYPD doesn’t like De Blasio’s position. I would have preferred it if De Blasio had allowed the “stop and frisk” case to proceed (especially after the judge was kicked off the case for bias,after issuing her ruling). He’s the mayor the voters wanted and it’s his city. Personally, I side with the cops on that issue. Is it possible for a new study to actually separate the true effectiveness of Broken Windows from all of the changes? I doubt it. _The sun’ll come out tomorrow So you gotta hang on 'til tomorrow, come what may! Tomorrow, tomorrow, I love ya, tomorrow You’re always a day away!_ ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2015, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/430 "2015-01-06T21:52:46Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Well, you’re right about one thing: I do make racist assumptions. I assume you’re racist. > > But only based on your words. Hahahaha. You make racist assumptions and then project your feelings on to others. Why? Who cares. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2015, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/431 "2015-01-06T22:00:25Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Hahahaha. You make racist assumptions and then project your feelings on to others. Why? Who cares. 😃 You are truly a very special snowflake. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2015, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/432 "2015-01-06T22:51:12Z")
> [@andros](#): > > You are truly a very special snowflake. OUCH! 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2015, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/433 "2015-01-06T23:12:29Z")
Oh, snowflake, _please_! ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2015, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/434 "2015-01-06T23:20:00Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Oh, snowflake, _please_! Ya know, now that I think about it, wasn’t “snowflake” considered a racist term for black people, at one time? Has the meaning changed or are you guys using it differently? ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2015, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/435 "2015-01-07T05:07:37Z")
I have a prodigious memory for ethnic slurs and I don’t recall that use of “snowflake.” Others, yes. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2015, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/436 "2015-01-07T05:33:32Z")
Correction: Saw it in a movie once. Didn’t seem to catch on the time. Maybe you can help it this time, but you need to use it outside this thread. Like in the Projects some evening. I’d love to see it. ---
**Author:** ![Boogly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Boogly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boogly)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2015, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/437 "2015-01-07T06:45:59Z")
While a lot of people may not agree with the police turning their backs on De Blasio I don’t know how there can by any actions taken against the officers. As far as I can tell there was no violence or threat of violence and there were no laws broken. Wouldn’t these actions be protected by the ‘Freedom of Assembly’ and/or the ‘Right to Protest’? Am I mistaken? ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2015, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/438 "2015-01-07T07:08:36Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > I remember a clip from [_Making Sense of the Sixties_](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0318906/) where armed and uniformed Black Panthers standing in ranks were chanting, “Revolution is co-ome! OFF THE PIGS! Time to take up the gu-un! OFF THE PIGS!” Of course, they never actually offed any AFAIK. Yes they did > **[Marin County Civic Center attacks](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marin_County_courthouse_incident)** > > The Marin County Civic Center attacks were two related attacks in 1970 at the Marin County Superior Court, located in the Marin County Civic Center in San Rafael, California, United States, tied to escalating racial tensions in the state's criminal justice system. > On August 7, 17-year-old Jonathan P. Jackson attempted to coerce the release of the Soledad Brothers (including Jackson's older brother George) by kidnapping Superior Court judge Harold Haley from the Marin County Civic Center. As the ... ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2015, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/439 "2015-01-07T15:46:20Z")
> [@andros](#): > > You are truly a very special snowflake. > [@elucidator](#): > > Oh, snowflake, _please_! > [@dropzone](#): > > Correction: Saw it in a movie once. Didn’t seem to catch on the time. Maybe you can help it this time, but you need to use it outside this thread. Like in the Projects some evening. I’d love to see it. You’re obviously talking to **andros** and **elucidator** since they are the one who chose to use the term in this thread. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Strassia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e8c25b/32.png) [@Strassia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Strassia)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2015, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/440 "2015-01-07T16:25:09Z")
> [@Boogly](#): > > While a lot of people may not agree with the police turning their backs on De Blasio I don’t know how there can by any actions taken against the officers. As far as I can tell there was no violence or threat of violence and there were no laws broken. > > Wouldn’t these actions be protected by the ‘Freedom of Assembly’ and/or the ‘Right to Protest’? > > Am I mistaken? I was never a LEO, but I was in the military. When you are in uniform you are no longer acting as a private citizen and your speech and actions are curtailed accordingly. In the private sector, you can be fired from any job for making statements _in an official capacity_ that the organisation deems to be against its interests or wishes. The only question in my mind preventing the city from taking action, if they so choose, is union rules. Free speech should protect them if they spoke or acted as private citizens. It should not protect actions or speech in uniform. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293.md?page=23)