# And now: What about all those cops turning their backs on De Blasio? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 27, 2014, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293 "2014-12-27T20:22:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 10:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/481 "2015-01-08T10:20:14Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Was this agreed in advance, some sort of compromise between respect and insolence? Probably, but presumably the respect going to the family of the murdered cop, and the insolence to the mayor. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/482 "2015-01-08T11:09:54Z")
There are but two organizations that stage protests at funerals, the Westboro Baptist Church, and the NYPD. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/483 "2015-01-08T11:44:13Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > There are but two organizations that stage protests at funerals, the Westboro Baptist Church, and the NYPD. The WBC stage protests at the funerals of their own members? If not, your comparison is irrelevant. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/484 "2015-01-08T12:04:47Z")
> [@Strassia](#): > > But I think it is disingenuous to keep referring to it as turning your back to a TV. This was an action intended to show contempt for the mayor. That is the issue, not the form of the protest, but the fact of it be carried out by uniformed officers. It is in no way disingenuous. In real life there are nuances. There is a big difference between walking up and yelling fuck you into someone’s face and silently turning your back on their image on a TV screen. The form used in showing their displeasure is extremely relevant when talking about discipline. Especially when there has been a lot of talk here about firing everyone. > [@Strassia](#): > > Have you not read any of my posts? Turning your back to a TV is not what we are talking about. I will ask you, **John Mace** , specifically, this question again: Do you have any doubt that this was a planned action intended to show disdain and disrespect for the Mayor Bill De Blasio? Have any of the officers involved claimed it was a coincidence that they all just happened to turn around at the same time due to many and various reasons completely unrelated to their feelings about the Mayor? > > Or put another way, of course there is nothing wrong with calling in sick if you have the flu. If 50+% of the force calls in sick on the same day that a contract decision is due, then there is an undeclared strike going on. > > Or, put yet another way, of course there is nothing wrong with a police officer using his discretion to not issue a ticket for a misdemeanor. But when all police officers stop issuing tickets entirely, there is a work slowdown/stoppage/whatever going on. I have no indication that this was planned. And I have seen many NYPD talking about this on private pages. When Di Blasio came to the hospital after the officers were shot the off duty crowd off out of uniform officers that arrived there turned their backs on him. That was totally impromptu and spontaneous. That is what put the idea in people’s minds. There was no need of any planning. As for the work slow down, Di Blasio wanted to stop Stop and Frisk. He did. Shootings have gone up. He wanted to stop quotas for tickets and arrests. Well now they are not filling up a book a tour. That’s what the mayor and the people wanted. “Holy shit you mean we made money off that? Go back out there and write!” Also involved in that were the mass protests which the mayor allowed to take over the streets which took thousands of officers away from their normal duties and incurred over $20 million in overtime. > [@elucidator](#): > > Now that’s kinda weird, isn’t it? Were the cops outside aware of what the cops inside were doing? Vice versa? Was this agreed in advance, some sort of compromise between respect and insolence? > > “OK, so we give polite and respectful attention to the man himself, because that’s appropriate, but his TV image? Fuhgeddabout it! _That_ we protest!” > > Were the cops inside all ranking officers, or something? Some other selection mechanism? Da fuq? There were a lot of ranking members. Also a lot of regular officers especially those that worked directly with each of the officers. And all the union officials were inside being completely respectful as well. I don’t see how that is weird. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/485 "2015-01-08T12:06:52Z")
…as a non-USIAN, what I find most strange unusual and bizarre, is that in the land of the “land of the free and the home of the brave” that a policy such as “stop and frisk” was ever allowed in the first place, let alone be allowed to last for decades. In 2011 over half a million people in New York City were stopped. The majority, according to wiki cites, were African-American or Latino. 88% of those stops resulted in no conviction. From the outside what we are seeing right now pretty freaking obviously was always going to happen. This was always going to blow up. It wouldn’t happen where I live. I’m Samoan/Maori, I’ve walked the worst streets in the country looking as “gangsta” as possible, and I’ve never been pulled aside and even questioned by the police, let alone frisked. I literally can’t imagine how this happened in the States. How on earth did the people of New York allow this to happen? I just don’t get it. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/486 "2015-01-08T12:09:07Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > As for the work slow down, Di Blasio wanted to stop Stop and Frisk. He did. …and every right thinking American should be applauding that. Are you telling me that you aren’t? ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/487 "2015-01-08T13:04:06Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …as a non-USIAN, what I find most strange unusual and bizarre, is that in the land of the “land of the free and the home of the brave” that a policy such as “stop and frisk” was ever allowed in the first place, let alone be allowed to last for decades. In 2011 over half a million people in New York City were stopped. The majority, according to wiki cites, were African-American or Latino. 88% of those stops resulted in no conviction. I don’t know if you realize it but a 22% conviction rate on random stops is freakin huge. And that’s conviction not arrest. The worst crime ridden neighborhoods were targeted. Those neighborhoods were mostly minority neighborhoods. And in New York the black and Latino population combined are larger than the white population and growing. So it would actually be weird if more white people were stopped. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …and every right thinking American should be applauding that. Are you telling me that you aren’t? I had a lot of problems with stop and frisk. I would have to see the exact proceedures and training but I don’t see how it couldn’t be in conflict with the 4th amendment. it certainly would not fly in New Jersey with some of our state Supreme Court rulings. It was very effective in getting guns off the street but it also placed an undo burden on those that weren’t breaking the law. It was not the idea of the rank and file of the department and I know that many were forced to do it and were not happy about it. It was a real pain in the ass and a lot of work. Unfortunately there will be a downside. Criminals in those neighborhoods knew that if they were carrying a gun there was a good chance they would get caught. Now they don’t have to worry about that. So shootings are up. That’s the balance between civil liberties and safety. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/488 "2015-01-08T13:26:20Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …as a non-USIAN, what I find most strange unusual and bizarre, is that in the land of the “land of the free and the home of the brave” that a policy such as “stop and frisk” was ever allowed in the first place, let alone be allowed to last for decades. In 2011 over half a million people in New York City were stopped. The majority, according to wiki cites, were African-American or Latino. 88% of those stops resulted in no conviction. I think you misread. _88% of those stops resulted in no arrest or summons_, not the same thing as “conviction”, especially since “summons” means, I assume, citations for petty infractions. > [@Loach](#): > > I don’t know if you realize it but a 22% conviction rate on random stops is freakin huge. And that’s conviction not arrest. Cite? And did you derive 22% by subtracting 88 from 100? If so, check your calculater. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/489 "2015-01-08T13:30:52Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > The WBC stage protests at the funerals of their own members? If not, your comparison is irrelevant. What does it matter whose funerals it is? Staging protests at any funeral is disgusting, and it tells a lot that there are only two organizations that do this. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/490 "2015-01-08T13:47:01Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > The WBC stage protests at the funerals of their own members? If not, your comparison is irrelevant. True. To my knowledge, the good folks at Westboro have never stooped so low. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/491 "2015-01-08T13:54:20Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > I don’t know if you realize it but a 22% conviction rate on random stops is freakin huge. And that’s conviction not arrest. The worst crime ridden neighborhoods were targeted. Those neighborhoods were mostly minority neighborhoods. And in New York the black and Latino population combined are larger than the white population and growing. So it would actually be weird if more white people were stopped. …78 people out of 100 non-conviction rate is freaking huge. Over half a million people stopped in a year in a city with just a few million more people than my entire country is outlandish. > [@](#): > > I had a lot of problems with stop and frisk. I would have to see the exact proceedures and training but I don’t see how it couldn’t be in conflict with the 4th amendment. it certainly would not fly in New Jersey with some of our state Supreme Court rulings. It was very effective in getting guns off the street but it also placed an undo burden on those that weren’t breaking the law. It was not the idea of the rank and file of the department and I know that many were forced to do it and were not happy about it. It was a real pain in the ass and a lot of work. Unfortunately there will be a downside. Criminals in those neighborhoods knew that if they were carrying a gun there was a good chance they would get caught. Now they don’t have to worry about that. So shootings are up. That’s the balance between civil liberties and safety. There is no balance. I’ve watched enough stop and frisk videos and read and heard enough testimony to know that the standards of “suspicion” the police would generally use was suspiciously suspect. And the numbers bear that out. Hundreds of thousands of people were stopped for no good reason. That is more than just an “undo burden.” How many times are you willing to be stopped and frisked before you considered the burden undue? Does where you live change that burden at all? Di Blasio wanted to stop Stop and Frisk. And he did. From an outsiders point of view it was a disgraceful abuse of civil liberties. You keep pointing out that “shootings are up.” I didn’t think that crime was an excuse for tyranny by the state, so I’m not sure why you keep bringing it up. Either you think Stop and Frisk was wrong, or you don’t. Can you stop being so wishy washy and let us know what you think? ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/492 "2015-01-08T13:59:50Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I think you misread. _88% of those stops resulted in no arrest or summons_, not the same thing as “conviction”, especially since “summons” means, I assume, citations for petty infractions. > [@](#): > > The number of stops increased dramatically in 2008 to over half a million, 88% of which did not result in any fine or conviction, peaking in 2011 to 685,724 stops, again with 88% resulting in no conviction. On average from 2002 to 2013 the number of individuals stopped without any convictions was 87.6% > **[Stop-and-frisk in New York City](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop-and-frisk_in_New_York_City)** > > The stop-question-and-frisk program, or stop-and-frisk, in New York City, is a New York City Police Department (NYPD) practice of temporarily detaining, questioning, and at times searching civilians and suspects on the street for weapons and other contraband. This is what is known in other places in the United States as the Terry stop. The rules for the policy are contained in the state's criminal procedure law section 140.50 and based on the decision of the US Supreme Court in the case of Terr... ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/493 "2015-01-08T14:08:14Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …as a non-USIAN, what I find most strange unusual and bizarre, is that in the land of the “land of the free and the home of the brave” that a policy such as “stop and frisk” was ever allowed in the first place, let alone be allowed to last for decades. In 2011 over half a million people in New York City were stopped. The majority, according to wiki cites, were African-American or Latino. 88% of those stops resulted in no conviction. > > From the outside what we are seeing right now pretty freaking obviously was always going to happen. This was always going to blow up. It wouldn’t happen where I live. I’m Samoan/Maori, I’ve walked the worst streets in the country looking as “gangsta” as possible, and I’ve never been pulled aside and even questioned by the police, let alone frisked. I literally can’t imagine how this happened in the States. How on earth did the people of New York allow this to happen? I just don’t get it. As a non-USIAN, you seem to have missed the subtext of our legal system. At it’s core, it is designed to keep dark skinned people in line. That is why the death penalty is applied more readily against blacks, it is why the war on drugs targeted black neighborhoods, and it is why stop and frisk exists. The people who support stop and frisk are ok with dark skinned people being randomly harrassed by the police because in their heart of hearts, those supporters are deeply afraid of black people. It is why there is so much cross over between supporters of stop and frisk and police shooting unarmed black men: if a few innocents are killed or inconvenienced they are ok with that as long as black people are contained. Once you understand that fact, it makes it much easier to understand our policies. For a significant number of USIANS, our police are there to protect white folk from black folk. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/494 "2015-01-08T14:36:48Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Unfortunately there will be a downside. Criminals in those neighborhoods knew that if they were carrying a gun there was a good chance they would get caught. Now they don’t have to worry about that. So shootings are up. That’s the balance between civil liberties and safety. You might as well say that not slaughtering the residents of high-crime neighborhoods is drawing “a balance between civil liberties and safety.” If it’s not a valid law enforcement tactic, it doesn’t matter how effective it is. ---
**Author:** ![Strassia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e8c25b/32.png) [@Strassia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Strassia)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/495 "2015-01-08T14:36:47Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Have you read the thread title? Let me remind you: _And now: What about all those cops turning their backs on De Blasio?_ So, maybe you’re in the wrong thread if that’s not what you’re discussing. You are still being disingenuous. No one has or would suggest that having your back to a television screen is the root of the issue. The fact that it is clear to one and all that it was an **intentional** show of **disrespect** to their lawful superior while in uniform. > [@John\_Mace](#): > > I don’t know that it was planned. > Why should they? No one has challenged them yet. If they were to be challenged in a disciplinary action, who knows what they might claim? And if they claim it was just a coincidence, how do you prove it was not? Remember, you are making the claim, so the burden of proof is on you. > They are not calling in sick. I know they are not. But “blue flu” (and “white flu” by health care workers) is a tactic that used by groups who cannot legally strike as a show of force for negotiations. Whether you agree with this tactic or not, you must acknowledge that the context and coordination make it different than just randomly calling in sick. > [@John\_Mace](#): > > So, then it should be trivial for you to show examples of police forces being disciplined for not issuing enough parking tickets. Please show us your examples. Oh, you don’t have any? Well, then how do you know what would happen? I don’t seem to recall saying anyone should be disciplined. Nor claiming they had. I was pointing out it would be disingenuous to imply that a city wide change in specific behaviors was a simple coincidence that had no intended message. > [@John\_Mace](#): > > Then it’s a good thing that’s not happening here! Perhaps not. But the NYPD are acting as if they feel they should not be open to any criticism by their civil authority. > [@Loach](#): > > It is in no way disingenuous. In real life there are nuances. There is a big difference between walking up and yelling fuck you into someone’s face and silently turning your back on their image on a TV screen. The form used in showing their displeasure is extremely relevant when talking about discipline. Especially when there has been a lot of talk here about firing everyone. Of course there is nuance. Punching someone is a worse show of disrespect than yelling at them. But the way **John Mace** and other kept referring to it seems to imply that officers in uniform turning their backs in mass was some wacky coincidence and not intentional disrespect. > [@Loach](#): > > II have no indication that this was planned. And I have seen many NYPD talking about this on private pages. When Di Blasio came to the hospital after the officers were shot the off duty crowd off out of uniform officers that arrived there turned their backs on him. That was totally impromptu and spontaneous. That is what put the idea in people’s minds. There was no need of any planning. > > As for the work slow down, Di Blasio wanted to stop Stop and Frisk. He did. Shootings have gone up. He wanted to stop quotas for tickets and arrests. Well now they are not filling up a book a tour. That’s what the mayor and the people wanted. “Holy shit you mean we made money off that? Go back out there and write!” Also involved in that were the mass protests which the mayor allowed to take over the streets which took thousands of officers away from their normal duties and incurred over $20 million in overtime. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/496 "2015-01-08T15:18:48Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > You might as well say that not slaughtering the residents of high-crime neighborhoods is drawing “a balance between civil liberties and safety.” If it’s not a valid law enforcement tactic, it doesn’t matter how effective it is. I agree. I don’t like it as a tactic. A lot of the NYPD that were ordered to carry it out did not like it as a tactic. And I said I had problems with it with regards to the 4th amendment. Just don’t be surprised when shootings go up and more criminals carry guns. Especially since it has already happened. Yes that is a balance between civil liberties and safety. How is it not? That’s how it’s supposed to work. The balance between stopping criminals and civil liberties is the basis for most of over 200 years of supreme court precedent. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/497 "2015-01-08T16:37:54Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > I had a lot of problems with stop and frisk. I would have to see the exact proceedures and training but I don’t see how it couldn’t be in conflict with the 4th amendment. I thought the stop and frisk policy/practice was bad. I do believe it could be carried out in a way that would not run afoul of the constitution. The reason it was attacked was it’s application, not the policy itself. If the number of people stopped exactly matched the demographic of the city I expect it would still be in existence today. A consensual encounter can easily raise suspicion sufficient to justify a Terry pat down. It just happened that the targets of those stops were primarily minorities. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/498 "2015-01-08T16:55:00Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > I thought the stop and frisk policy/practice was bad. I do believe it could be carried out in a way that would not run afoul of the constitution. The reason it was attacked was it’s application, not the policy itself. If the number of people stopped exactly matched the demographic of the city I expect it would still be in existence today. Not exactly. It is possible that it _may_ have passed constitutional muster if it was found to be used correctly. In the same way that _Michigan Dept. of State Police v. Sitz_ upheld the constitutionality of random DUI checkpoints, again balancing public safety and civil liberties. I happen to not think it would get passed a higher court. You have more rights walking down the street than using your privilege of driving on public roads. But it never got that far. The court case was dropped when Di Blasio took office. The reason it is not in existence today is because of politics. It was one of his main campaign promises based on public perception rather than any court decision. Although I think I know how a higher court would rule on the practice there is no way to really know at this point. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/499 "2015-01-08T16:59:37Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > … > He won on a platform that criticized the NYPD. > … Then they need to grow the fvck up. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/500 "2015-01-08T17:01:29Z")
> [@BigAppleBucky](#): > > Without reading all ten pages of this thread, I will add just this. > > The cops seem very childish to me. They’re having a tantrum. > > The mayor said he’d warned his son never to make any gestures around cops that might been deemed threatening. Oh my. Horrors!! > > - Just deal with it (little) boys. and this. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293.md?page=24) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293.md?page=26)