# And now: What about all those cops turning their backs on De Blasio? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 27, 2014, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293 "2014-12-27T20:22:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2015, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/541 "2015-01-13T23:08:04Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > I’ll ask again. (But only once, lest I be accused of hijacking or nitpicking.) What is the purpose of this affectation of spelling fuck with a “v”? Some boards have a filter that “bleeps it out” if you spell it correctly, and I can’t be bothered keeping records of which ones do, or don’t ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2015, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/542 "2015-01-13T23:13:15Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Some boards have a filter that “bleeps it out” if you spell it correctly, and I can’t be bothered keeping records of which ones do, or don’t I just figured you were Roman. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2015, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/543 "2015-01-14T03:40:03Z")
It’s jvst a evphemism, affected to maintain some faint semblance of propriety. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2015, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/544 "2015-01-14T16:46:25Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > It is no where near nitpicking. There was a ruling by a lower federal court judge. It was not heard by an appeals court where case law and precedents generally begin. And that lower court ruling was stayed and the judge was removed from the case by a judicial review board. So saying that a court ruled it to be unconstitutional is misleading at best. The case did not get to a court that mattered and the one ruling that was made was thrown out. That is not nitpicking. Well said. Like it or not, the appeal should not have been withdrawn and De Blasio made a big mistake by doing so. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2015, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/545 "2015-01-14T16:54:08Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Well said. Like it or not, the appeal should not have been withdrawn and De Blasio made a big mistake by doing so. Well I don’t know about that. It would mean that he would have to defend a policy he did not start, that he does not agree with, that he stopped as soon as he took office and that he always said was unconstitutional. How do you go forward with an appeal like that? ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2015, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/546 "2015-01-14T17:04:32Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > The stops were unconstitutional, in that there were no warrants, and there was no probable cause, except to harass people. Read the fvcking fourth amendment of the US constitution. > \*\* > > Amendment IV > > The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against _ **unreasonable** _ searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.\*\* > > THERE is your law. If NYPD can not comply with the fvcking LAW as regards to probable cause and warramts, then maybe they do need a policy. (underline added) What does the term “unreasonable” mean to you? Do you believe that “reasonable” searchers and seizures are permitted? Who do you believe settles the issues of what is “reasonable” or not? The legislatures? The courts? How is it possible that Terry Stops were ever permitted? (p.s. Sorry for the late reply. I was enjoying a little “me and the fam” time in Texas. 😃 ) ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2015, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/547 "2015-01-14T17:07:01Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Well I don’t know about that. It would mean that he would have to defend a policy he did not start, that he does not agree with, that he stopped as soon as he took office and that he always said was unconstitutional. How do you go forward with an appeal like that? I would have let the case run it’s course but I’m not the mayor of NYC. Would you have stopped this particular appeal if’n you was da mayor? ---
**Author:** ![susanlinda823](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@susanlinda823](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susanlinda823)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2015, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/548 "2015-01-14T17:11:21Z")
If he was to go on a [mass](http://eliquidnicotine.net/electronic-cigarettes/ecigarette-starter-kits/estick-starter.ejuice) firing spree. For what? They were doing what they felt was right. Like a protest…So…Whats up. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2015, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/549 "2015-01-14T17:18:48Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Like it or not, the appeal should not have been withdrawn and De Blasio made a big mistake by doing so. … because? ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2015, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/550 "2015-01-14T17:37:18Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Well I don’t know about that. It would mean that he would have to defend a policy he did not start, that he does not agree with, that he stopped as soon as he took office and that he always said was unconstitutional. How do you go forward with an appeal like that? I do know about that. It’s a fucking idiotic position. Stop-and-frisk was not some massive voter-passed initiative that DeBlasio arrogantly nullified. It was a policy put in place by the previous administration. DeBlasio was elected while vocally stating his opposition to the policy. It would be like saying that Mittens (had he won in 2012) would have been obligated to continue the defense of ACA simply because Obama did so back in the day. ---
**Author:** ![doreen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/858c86/32.png) [@doreen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doreen)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2015, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/551 "2015-01-14T17:50:36Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > I would have let the case run it’s course but I’m not the mayor of NYC. Would you have stopped this particular appeal if’n you was da mayor? I think you’ve said this a couple of times previously, but you have never said what you believe would be the point. Let’s say everything goes as you expect/hope and the Supreme Court finds stop and frisk as practiced by the NYPD in the past to be constitutional. What exactly is different from today? The Supreme Court ( or any other court ) is never going to say that deBlasio _must_ return to that policy and deBlasio is never going to implement that policy on his own- he has always been against it. Why in the world would anyone expend resources to defend a policy they don’t agree with and have no intention of implementing ? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2015, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/552 "2015-01-14T18:23:35Z")
> [@doreen](#): > > {…} Why in the world would anyone expend resources to defend a policy they don’t agree with and have no intention of implementing ? I think it might not even be legal to defend it in that case. CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2015, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/553 "2015-01-14T18:48:28Z")
> [@doreen](#): > > I think you’ve said this a couple of times previously, but you have never said what you believe would be the point. Let’s say everything goes as you expect/hope and the Supreme Court finds stop and frisk as practiced by the NYPD in the past to be constitutional. What exactly is different from today? The Supreme Court ( or any other court ) is never going to say that deBlasio _must_ return to that policy and deBlasio is never going to implement that policy on his own- he has always been against it. Why in the world would anyone expend resources to defend a policy they don’t agree with and have no intention of implementing ? I prefer completed investigations (and court cases) as opposed to investigations that are dropped half way thru because of _ **politics** _. There were legitimate legal questions concerning stop and frisk which also appears to, possibly, affect Terry Stops. De Blasio’s action didn’t stop Terry Stops but the case could have provided a better understanding of which police action is, or is not, constitutional. De Blasio’s political problems with the NYPD appears to have begun during his mayoral campaign in 2013 (maybe earlier). The fact that the judge was kicked off the case after making her ruling didn’t help De Blasio’s personal war with the NYPD. De Blasio’s decision to drop the appeal could be construed as further evidence that De Blasio does not appreciate or approve of the NYPD, depending on which of the three sides you’re on (pro-De Blasio, pro-police, or interested in finding out what actually happened before deciding which of the first two options you lean towards). Now De Blasio has to make nice, or pretend to make nice, with the NYPD. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2015, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/554 "2015-01-14T23:08:55Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > I would have let the case run it’s course but I’m not the mayor of NYC. Would you have stopped this particular appeal if’n you was da mayor? > [@doorhinge](#): > > I prefer completed investigations (and court cases) as opposed to investigations that are dropped half way thru because of _ **politics** _. > > There were legitimate legal questions concerning stop and frisk which also appears to, possibly, affect Terry Stops. De Blasio’s action didn’t stop Terry Stops but the case could have provided a better understanding of which police action is, or is not, constitutional. > > De Blasio’s political problems with the NYPD appears to have begun during his mayoral campaign in 2013 (maybe earlier). The fact that the judge was kicked off the case after making her ruling didn’t help De Blasio’s personal war with the NYPD. De Blasio’s decision to drop the appeal could be construed as further evidence that De Blasio does not appreciate or approve of the NYPD, depending on which of the three sides you’re on (pro-De Blasio, pro-police, or interested in finding out what actually happened before deciding which of the first two options you lean towards). > > Now De Blasio has to make nice, or pretend to make nice, with the NYPD. I think De Blasio is an ass but I think that is idiotic. You think he should have expended money and city resources to defend a policy he has always been diametrically opposed to? That makes no sense. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2015, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/555 "2015-01-14T23:24:59Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > I think De Blasio is an ass but I think that is idiotic. You think he should have expended money and city resources to defend a policy he has always been diametrically opposed to? That makes no sense. I understand why De Blasio didn’t want to continue with the appeal. It’s my personal opinion that any mayor of NY should have, once the case was filed, let the appeal run it’s course. It appears that De Blasio’s choice to drop the appeal lead to even more hard feeling between De Blasio and the NYPD. Now De Blasio has to kiss some union ass to make up for the poor decisions he’s had made over the last year and a half (at least since his campaign began?). ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2015, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/556 "2015-01-14T23:34:09Z")
Perhaps, but he may be rescued by the cops union and their positively brilliant public relations plan to make themselves universally loathed. ---
**Author:** ![doreen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/858c86/32.png) [@doreen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doreen)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2015, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/557 "2015-01-14T23:49:55Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > I understand why De Blasio didn’t want to continue with the appeal. > > It’s my personal opinion that any mayor of NY should have, once the case was filed, let the appeal run it’s course. It appears that De Blasio’s choice to drop the appeal lead to even more hard feeling between De Blasio and the NYPD. Now De Blasio has to kiss some union ass to make up for the poor decisions he’s had made over the last year and a half (at least since his campaign began?). I suspect he’s more interested in kissing the voters asses than the police union’s - especially since many ( most?) of the members can’t vote in NYC since they aren’t residents.Although I find it interesting that stopping the appeal because he’s opposed to the policy is a political reason and continuing it to kiss the union’s ass is somehow not political in your view. And even most people who are in favor of the appeal would be pissed if all that money was spent for no reason. For some reason, an awful lot of people think it the city appeals and the court rules in favor of stop and frisk , deBlasio will have to implement the policy. But he doesn’t have to and he won’t. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2015, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/558 "2015-01-15T21:25:15Z")
Crappy Union Leadership: [PBA’s Patrick Lynch spurs yelling, shoving among cops over NYPD-City Hall feud](http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/pba-lynch-spurs-yelling-cops-city-hall-feud-article-1.2076394) > [@](#): > > Cops also wanted to know what happened at a Dec. 30 meeting of five police union heads, Police Commissioner Bill Bratton and de Blasio at the Police Academy in Queens. > “They asked Lynch directly: ‘What did you ask the mayor for?’ ” the source added. > > But Lynch provided no answers. > > The yelling and screaming lasted about 10 minutes before Lynch stormed out. Tasers _should_ have been deployed. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2015, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/559 "2015-01-15T21:41:11Z")
There is nothing I wouldn’t give to watch a roomful of cops having a taser battle. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2015, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-now-what-about-all-those-cops-turning-their-backs-on-de-blasio/708293/560 "2015-01-15T21:47:21Z")
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