# And the most homoerotic movie ever made is... **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 19, 2008, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571 "2008-08-19T17:30:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2008, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571/1 "2008-08-19T17:30:23Z")
[Suggested by this thread and a discussion of Top Gun therein.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=479006) What I’m looking for is simple enough. Confining yourself to stories lacking any overt homosexual relationships, what are the gayest movies you can think of? (For purposes of this thread, “gay” includes “lesbian.”) ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2008, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571/2 "2008-08-19T17:30:56Z")
300, what do i win? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2008, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571/3 "2008-08-19T17:31:48Z")
Going for the obvious – The 300? ETA: The _all too_ obvious, it seems. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2008, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571/4 "2008-08-19T17:36:09Z")
300 is the first one that came to mind. I didn’t name it in the OP for four reasons: 1. The only overtly sexual acts in the movie (Leonidas making love to his wife and that wife later being raped (or blackmailed into submission–Mrs. R. & I have argued about this point) are heterosexual. Seems to me that the gayest movie ever would have the main character abstaining from hetero sex. 2. It’s too damn obvious. 3. Now that I think about it, there were only those two reasons. ---
**Author:** ![Skara\_Brae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@Skara\_Brae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skara_Brae)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2008, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571/5 "2008-08-19T17:42:12Z")
When 300 came out, someone (I think at Slate?) described it as being both homophobic and homoerotic at the same time… ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2008, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571/6 "2008-08-19T17:50:26Z")
[QUOTE=Skara\_Brae] When 300 came out, someone (I think at Slate?) described it as being both homophobic and homoerotic at the same time… [/QUOTE] I don’t see the homophobia. Care to explain? ---
**Author:** ![vetbridge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b5e925/32.png) [@vetbridge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vetbridge)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2008, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571/7 "2008-08-19T17:52:31Z")
Has anyone else seen [Bound?](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0115736/) ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2008, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571/8 "2008-08-19T17:54:24Z")
[QUOTE=vetbridge] Has anyone else seen [Bound?](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0115736/) [/QUOTE] Bits & pieces. Don’t the two leads actually become lovers? Perhaps I should have written “the most COVERTLY homoerotic movie ever” to make my meaning clear. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Sensitive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/58956e/32.png) [@Darth\_Sensitive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Sensitive)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2008, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571/9 "2008-08-19T18:00:40Z")
[QUOTE=Skald the Rhymer] I don’t see the homophobia. Care to explain? [/QUOTE] All the dissing on the Athenians. “Messenger: All that God-King Xerxes requires is this: a simple offering of earth and water. A token of Sparta’s submission to the will of Xerxes. King Leonidas: Submission? Well that’s a bit of a problem. See, rumor has it the Athenians have already turned you down, and if those philosophers and, uh, boy-lovers have found that kind of nerve, then…” There was more, but a quick google doesn’t turn it up. ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2008, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571/10 "2008-08-19T18:04:59Z")
Lord of the Rings trilogy. ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2008, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571/11 "2008-08-19T18:07:06Z")
According to fandom… all of them, apparently. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![davidw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c4cdca/32.png) [@davidw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidw)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2008, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571/12 "2008-08-19T18:07:50Z")
Well, I think 300 is clearly the winner, but I’ll mention Flash Gordon. ---
**Author:** ![sciurophobic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cab0a1/32.png) [@sciurophobic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sciurophobic)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2008, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571/13 "2008-08-19T18:08:11Z")
[Isn’t She Great](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0141399/). The story of _Valley of the Dolls_ author Jacqueline Susann, starring Bette Midler, Nathan Lane, and David Hyde Pierce, and written by Paul Rudnick (who also wrote _In & Out_). You can’t get gayer (or campier) than that. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2008, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571/14 "2008-08-19T18:09:11Z")
**The Passion of the Christ** 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2008, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571/15 "2008-08-19T18:13:15Z")
Top Gun, obviously. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2008, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571/16 "2008-08-19T18:21:24Z")
The new _Casino Royale_ with Daniel Craig as James Bond is pretty homoerotic. Note to self: Under no circumstances should one do a Google image search for “Daniel Craig” if SafeSearch is turned off. Especially at work. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2008, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571/17 "2008-08-19T18:25:54Z")
[QUOTE=Terminus Est] The new _Casino Royale_ with Daniel Craig as James Bond is pretty homoerotic. Note to self: Under no circumstances should one do a Google image search for “Daniel Craig” if SafeSearch is turned off. Especially at work. [/QUOTE] Everybody, I just tried it, and Terminus is right. Well, about the not-doing-it-at-work part, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![lobotomyboy63](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobotomyboy63/32/2900_2.png) [@lobotomyboy63](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lobotomyboy63)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2008, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571/18 "2008-08-19T18:26:52Z")
Murder by Numbers > **[Murder by Numbers (2002) ⭐ 6.1 | Crime, Mystery, Thriller](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0264935/)** > > 1h 55m | R The characters were loosely based on Leopold and Loeb. ---
**Author:** ![emmaliminal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7bcc69/32.png) [@emmaliminal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emmaliminal)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2008, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571/19 "2008-08-19T18:37:10Z")
[QUOTE=Skara\_Brae] When 300 came out, someone (I think at Slate?) described it as being both homophobic and homoerotic at the same time… [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Skald the Rhymer] I don’t see the homophobia. Care to explain? [/QUOTE] It was the inimitable [Dan Savage](http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/300). He put an abbreviated [version](http://www.avclub.com/content/savage/mar-21-2007) at the end of his syndicated column, Savage Love, that week. The Onion’s AV Club and many alt weekly papers run the column. A [commenter](http://www.slate.com/discuss/forums/permalink/79359/79633/ShowThread.aspx#79633) at Slate mentioned it. [QUOTE=Dan Savage, 3/14/07] So I took the afternoon off and went to see 300. … a deeply homophobic film—the Persians are portrayed as some sort of gaysian menace, a pride parade with suicide bombers, a threat to all things decent and, er, Greek. … I mean, my God, the lengths the filmmakers went to in order to reassure the straight boys in the audience that there was nothing homoerotic about staring at men in thongs for three hours. [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2008, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571/20 "2008-08-19T18:42:52Z")
[QUOTE=emilyforce] It was the inimitable [Dan Savage](http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/300). He put an abbreviated [version](http://www.avclub.com/content/savage/mar-21-2007) at the end of his syndicated column, Savage Love, that week. The Onion’s AV Club and many alt weekly papers run the column. A [commenter](http://www.slate.com/discuss/forums/permalink/79359/79633/ShowThread.aspx#79633) at Slate mentioned it. [/QUOTE] Sadly, now that I think about it, I remmeber having similar thoughts when I watched the movie. I’d simply forgotten. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571.md?page=2)