# And the most homoerotic movie ever made is... **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 19, 2008, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571 "2008-08-19T17:30:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2008, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571/41 "2008-08-19T20:54:47Z")
Well, next to _Backdoor Bukkake Barracks_, I’m gonna throw my vote behind _300_. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2008, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571/42 "2008-08-19T20:59:54Z")
I came in to vote for the craptacular _300_. As I told my wife about it, that movie way gayer than \*The Adventures of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert (1994). \* I also thought \*300 \* was terrible but found \*Priscilla \* campy and funny and sad in various parts. ---
**Author:** ![Illuminatiprimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/illuminatiprimus/32/11520_2.png) [@Illuminatiprimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Illuminatiprimus)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2008, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571/43 "2008-08-19T21:00:14Z")
Ooooh, I end up provoking yet another thread, I’m getting good at this. 🙂 Well I’m sticking with my nomination from the original thread - Topgun. Seriously, that film gave me all the masturbation fodder I needed to keep me going through my teenage years until I could get my hands on some real gay porn. ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2008, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571/44 "2008-08-19T21:00:46Z")
[QUOTE=levdrakon] In the books, there was definite homosexuality. Does it count, if the movie just toned down what was blatant and open in the book? [/QUOTE] I don’t remember…I only read the book once, and that was ages ago. But I saw the movie recently on one of the premium movie channels, and I was struck by how much was very implicitly implied. Hell, even Christian Slater wanted to get in on the act! ---
**Author:** ![pinkfreud](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pinkfreud/32/17603_2.png) [@pinkfreud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pinkfreud)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2008, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571/45 "2008-08-19T21:02:51Z")
Gotta mention _Spartacus_. The “oysters and snails” scene in the Roman bath is a classic. ---
**Author:** ![Illuminatiprimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/illuminatiprimus/32/11520_2.png) [@Illuminatiprimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Illuminatiprimus)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2008, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571/46 "2008-08-19T21:04:57Z")
Forgot to add, I’d love to be able to give my two penneth’s worth on whether 300 is more homoerotic than Topgun but as the film bored me so much I ended up switching it off after about half an hour (before most of the real abbage began, or so I understand). Clearly it’s not just gay porn that consists of a bunch of pretty men with few clothes on and no engaging plot. ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2008, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571/47 "2008-08-19T21:36:26Z")
[QUOTE=Illuminatiprimus] Forgot to add, I’d love to be able to give my two penneth’s worth on whether 300 is more homoerotic than Topgun but as the film bored me so much I ended up switching it off after about half an hour (before most of the real abbage began, or so I understand). Clearly it’s not just gay porn that consists of a bunch of pretty men with few clothes on and no engaging plot. [/QUOTE] Here’s an [excellent synopsis of the film](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pi2t58CRmbU&fmt=18). ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2008, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571/48 "2008-08-19T21:44:52Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] **The Passion of the Christ** 🆒 [/QUOTE] I was going to mention this (though I like to call it\* Da Passion o’ da Cripes\*). ---
**Author:** ![Illuminatiprimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/illuminatiprimus/32/11520_2.png) [@Illuminatiprimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Illuminatiprimus)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2008, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571/49 "2008-08-19T21:50:12Z")
[QUOTE=gaffa] Here’s an [excellent synopsis of the film](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pi2t58CRmbU&fmt=18). [/QUOTE] Oh lordy - thanks. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![JR\_Brown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d6d6ee/32.png) [@JR\_Brown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JR_Brown)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2008, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571/50 "2008-08-19T21:59:53Z")
[QUOTE=levdrakon] Well, they mentioned boy-lovers, not man-lovers. That could have been an important distinction, often lost on modern society. Historically, you find occasional mention of man-boy relationships, but you hardly ever find mention of man-man relationships. Why? Maybe because it was unremarkable. [/QUOTE] No no no. The various Greek cultures had clear demarcations of what was and was not acceptable male sexual behavior. In general, penetration = good, being penetrated = emasculating. Woman = not a man = acceptable sexual object. Boy = not a man = acceptable sexual object. Slave = not (really) a man = acceptable sexual object. Two free adult males having sex, however, was a big fat deal; the “top” was just doing what came naturally, while the “bottom” was either: 1. a depraved and loathsome pervert (the only thing more despicable than wanting to be sodomized was willingly giving oral sex), 2. a victim suffering pretty much the most obscene humiliation possible, or 3. gritting his teeth and “taking it” because his (non-sexual) love and respect for the other guy outweigh his natural revulsion at the very idea (this is where Plato’s musings on “ideal armies” came in). The Spartans did pretty much think the Athenians (and everyone else) were a bunch of effete poofters, but because they were decadently lounging on cushions with their catamites feeding them grapes, instead of getting it in, getting it off, and going out to kill some more Thracians like **real men** , not because they were buggering little boys _as such_. JRB ---
**Author:** ![Beware\_of\_Doug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/278dde/32.png) [@Beware\_of\_Doug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beware_of_Doug)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2008, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571/51 "2008-08-19T22:14:54Z")
Not sure if it’s homoeroticism _per se_ or just a thoroughly gay sensibility, but the Astaire-Rogers musicals come to my mind. Fred is ostensibly romancing Ginger, but the passion all goes into the dances. The dialogue between them, even the singing, is all mannerism and no feeling. And Fred’s world doesn’t really include women - in fact it’s usually centered around prissy old Edward Everett Horton. As lovely as Rogers is, Astaire is the only real sex object on view. Finally, there’s the stylized elegance of everything: the sets, the clothes, the props. Yes, it was escapism, but escapism with a definite flavor of androgyny. Only the music and the dance can be appreciated for what they are (happily, though, they are enough). ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2008, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571/52 "2008-08-19T22:34:08Z")
**Rope**. ---
**Author:** ![KneadToKnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kneadtoknow/32/3999_2.png) [@KneadToKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KneadToKnow)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2008, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571/53 "2008-08-19T22:34:22Z")
[QUOTE=spoke-] I wouldn’t call it _homoerotic_, but it seemed to me that _X-Men: The Last Stand_ had a pretty obvious gay pride subtext (particularly in the Angel subplot). [/QUOTE] But _X2_ has an actual coming out scene. ---
**Author:** ![Illuminatiprimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/illuminatiprimus/32/11520_2.png) [@Illuminatiprimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Illuminatiprimus)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2008, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571/54 "2008-08-19T22:35:32Z")
[QUOTE=KneadToKnow] But _X2_ has an actual coming out scene. [/QUOTE] Accompanied by the obligatory mother’s “It’s my fault” comment. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Beware\_of\_Doug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/278dde/32.png) [@Beware\_of\_Doug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beware_of_Doug)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2008, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571/55 "2008-08-19T22:56:14Z")
[QUOTE=vivalostwages] **Rope**. [/QUOTE] Holy mutherashit yes. I don’t know why I didn’t think of it. _Strangers on a Train_ has got to be up there, too, although it could be argued the ghey is not at all hidden, only tastefully not-named. ---
**Author:** ![ouryL](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ouryl/32/6067_2.png) [@ouryL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ouryL)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2008, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571/56 "2008-08-19T23:03:26Z")
“Henry V” with Kenneth Branagh edges out “The Lion In Winter”. I once envisioned a remake of the latter with Queen Eleanor played by Madame(Waylon Flowers). ---
**Author:** ![chacoguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/50afbb/32.png) [@chacoguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chacoguy)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2008, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571/57 "2008-08-19T23:34:23Z")
Am I the only one here that saw the original **Mad Max**? Jeebus ---
**Author:** ![mr.jp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/48db29/32.png) [@mr.jp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mr.jp)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2008, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571/58 "2008-08-19T23:40:12Z")
Rocky 3. A lot of Rocky and Apollo hugging in effeminate tops. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2008, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571/59 "2008-08-19T23:40:40Z")
Kiss of the Spider Woman. Gave me the creeps. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2008, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571/60 "2008-08-20T00:24:13Z")
[QUOTE=chacoguy420] Am I the only one here that saw the original **Mad Max**? Jeebus [/QUOTE] I think you mean [Mad Max 2 (1981)](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082694/) aka “Mad Max 2: The Road Warrior” - USA The first movie had very little in terms of homoerotic that I can recall. The second one though had a lot more, but nothing compared to _300_. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571.md?page=4)