# And the most homoerotic movie ever made is... **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 19, 2008, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571 "2008-08-19T17:30:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![pepperlandgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f17d59/32.png) [@pepperlandgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pepperlandgirl)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2008, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571/81 "2008-08-20T02:40:42Z")
[QUOTE=CaerieD] **pepperlandgirl** , don’t leave us hanging! [/QUOTE] Ack! I’m sorry. My sister is here and I hit submit while I was talking to her. Anyway, that line is the “perfect summary of the film.” ---
**Author:** ![aerodave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f08c70/32.png) [@aerodave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aerodave)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2008, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571/82 "2008-08-20T02:44:39Z")
[QUOTE=pepperlandgirl] For that matter, **Tombstone** is pretty gay. [/QUOTE] I’m afraid this needs more explanation. My head asplode. ---
**Author:** ![pepperlandgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f17d59/32.png) [@pepperlandgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pepperlandgirl)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2008, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571/83 "2008-08-20T03:01:28Z")
I feel like Doc and Wyatt had some homoerotic subtext. Especially in the Director’s Cut when Kate yelled at Doc and accused Doc of always choosing Wyatt first. Doc’s relationship with Wyatt is the only one that has any meaning in his life and the only one that he’s willing to kill/die for. Wyatt isn’t even free to go after Josephine until after Doc is out of his life. I’m not saying that they were banging each other between scenes, but that when I think of subtext, I think of Doc and Wyatt. ---
**Author:** ![chacoguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/50afbb/32.png) [@chacoguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chacoguy)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2008, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571/84 "2008-08-20T03:35:21Z")
[QUOTE=What Exit?] I think you mean [Mad Max 2 (1981)](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082694/) aka “Mad Max 2: The Road Warrior” - USA The first movie had very little in terms of homoerotic that I can recall. The second one though had a lot more, but nothing compared to _300_. [/QUOTE] I’ll grant you about ‘300’, but no, I meant the first ‘Mad Max’, not ‘Road Warrior’ The bad guy nancy boys with their bitches on the back of their cycles? The bald, leather pants,silk scarf, shirtless police chief standing on the stairway, waist to face, begging Max to not quit the force? While he waters his flowers? Watch it again and try not to laugh. ---
**Author:** ![Dunderman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecb155/32.png) [@Dunderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunderman)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2008, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571/85 "2008-08-20T03:57:17Z")
[QUOTE=sciurophobic] **Casablanca**. Bogie dumps the girl and runs off with Claude Rains. [/QUOTE] “Well, Rick is the kind of man that… well, if I were a woman, and I were not around, I should be in love with Rick”. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2008, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571/86 "2008-08-20T03:58:14Z")
I’d say any movie version of **Twelfth Night** that is somewhat faithful. Sebastien’s aid in that play/movie seems very much in love with him, offering to give him cash so he can buy a toy in town. Soooooooo gay. Not to mention the accidental lesbian love that develops since Viola is a girl dressed as a man. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2008, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571/87 "2008-08-20T04:07:47Z")
_Top Gun_. As if the lying around in towels and Val Kilmer’s loving stares at Tom Cruise weren’t enough, the clincher is that it’s a movie about Navy pilots. It’s a stereotype fully realized. ---
**Author:** ![Billdo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/billdo/32/315_2.png) [@Billdo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Billdo)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2008, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571/88 "2008-08-20T04:16:51Z")
[QUOTE=Mahaloth] I’d say any movie version of **Twelfth Night** that is somewhat faithful. Sebastien’s aid in that play/movie seems very much in love with him, offering to give him cash so he can buy a toy in town. Soooooooo gay. Not to mention the accidental lesbian love that develops since Viola is a girl dressed as a man. [/QUOTE] I don’t think that the homoerotic content in Twelfth Night is in any way inadvertent. As someone above said, “it’s not subtext. It’s text.” I mean, the whole play is just a crazy gender-bending cross-dressing love rhombus. ETA: Aw, crap! That was me, **Green Bean** , not **Billdo**. On mom’s computer. p.s. Sign out when you’re done, you maroon! ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2008, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571/89 "2008-08-20T05:56:07Z")
[QUOTE=appleciders] Wow. That may be the most blatant unintentionally gay movie yet. Good call. [/QUOTE] How is “Rope” unintentionally gay? I thought it was based on the real life case of Leopold & Loeb? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2008, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571/90 "2008-08-20T06:07:53Z")
While I can see how a homosexual man might find _300_ to be erotic, it doesn’t strike me as a homoerotic film. _Jarhead_, though… gay as gay can be, certainly more so than _Top Gun_. So some pilots played volleyball? Big deal; the marines in _Jarhead_ staged a mock orgy that looked like a funky weekend on Fire Island. _Top Gun_ was macho-sexist? Big deal; _Jarhead_ was flat-out misogynistic. ---
**Author:** ![pepperlandgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f17d59/32.png) [@pepperlandgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pepperlandgirl)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2008, 7:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571/91 "2008-08-20T07:28:08Z")
[QUOTE=Eyebrows 0f Doom] How is “Rope” unintentionally gay? I thought it was based on the real life case of Leopold & Loeb? [/QUOTE] [It was, indeed](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rope_(film)). And the play the film was based on had text, not subtext. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2008, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571/92 "2008-08-20T08:03:18Z")
No mention of Douglas Sirk? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2008, 8:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571/93 "2008-08-20T08:28:21Z")
A classic - _Women in Love_ with its Oliver Reed/Alan Bates nude wrestling match. ---
**Author:** ![willthekittensurvive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/91b2a8/32.png) [@willthekittensurvive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/willthekittensurvive)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2008, 8:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571/94 "2008-08-20T08:42:35Z")
The Talented Mr. Ripley (1999) had alot of homoerotic subtext , even more then the book ---
**Author:** ![Illuminatiprimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/illuminatiprimus/32/11520_2.png) [@Illuminatiprimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Illuminatiprimus)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2008, 10:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571/95 "2008-08-20T10:03:01Z")
[QUOTE=willthekittensurvive?] The Talented Mr. Ripley (1999) had alot of homoerotic subtext , even more then the book [/QUOTE] Again, not subtext, text. The whole point of the film is that Ripley is in love with Jude Law (whatever his name was) and his love drove him to kill him. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2008, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571/96 "2008-08-20T16:22:29Z")
[QUOTE=Illuminatiprimus] Again, not subtext, text. The whole point of the film is that Ripley is in love with Jude Law (whatever his name was) and his love drove him to kill him. [/QUOTE] I thought the point of that film was “be yourself”. Just kidding. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2008, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571/97 "2008-08-20T16:34:02Z")
[QUOTE=Bryan Ekers] While I can see how a homosexual man might find _300_ to be erotic, it doesn’t strike me as a homoerotic film. _Jarhead_, though… gay as gay can be, certainly more so than _Top Gun_. So some pilots played volleyball? Big deal; the marines in _Jarhead_ staged a mock orgy that looked like a funky weekend on Fire Island. _Top Gun_ was macho-sexist? Big deal; _Jarhead_ was flat-out misogynistic. [/QUOTE] I don’t know this for a fact, but I get the feeling that _Top Gun_ was gay by accident, while _Jarhead_ was deliberately made to be as close to gay porn as possible without actually being gay porn. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Fight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/90ced4/32.png) [@Cat\_Fight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Fight)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2008, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571/98 "2008-08-20T16:45:29Z")
**Jackass 2** was ridiculously homoerotic. I know quite a few gay guys who lust after Johnny Knoxville, and that movie really seemed like a gift for them. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_Draper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b2d939/32.png) [@Don\_Draper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_Draper)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2008, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571/99 "2008-08-20T18:44:47Z")
How about **Jurassic Park III** , in which Dr. Grant (Sam Neill) gets paired off with amazingly hunky assistant Billy (Alessandro Nivola), while Dr. Sattler (Larua Dern - Grant’s ‘beard’ in the first film) is married w/ a kid? Grant & Billy definitely seemed quite affectionate towards each other. True, there’s a quick scene at the beginning showing Billy flirting with a girl (in order to reassure the straight ‘square’-staters), but that’s just camaflouge. Dr. Grant & Billy were shagging each other! ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Torque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Max\_Torque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_Torque)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2008, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571/100 "2008-08-20T20:21:09Z")
I’m going to suggest one would probably never occur to most of y’all: **A Nightmare On Elm Street 2: Freddy’s Revenge**. I offer the following as evidence:[ul] [li]The “hero” has the androgynous name “Jesse”.[/li][li]Jessie screams. A lot. At an unusually high pitch.[/li][li]In one of the first scenes, Jesse’s good friend Grady pulls Jesse’s pants down during a baseball game. Naked man-ass shot number 1.[/li][li]Because of that, their coach orders them to do push-ups. Exact words, “Assume the position.”[/li][li]Lest you think I’m grasping at straws with the above, Grady and Jesse then discuss whether the coach is gay.[/li][li]An “unpacking montage” with Jesse, including close-ups of him butt-bumping drawers closed and doing a “yankin’ my crank” movement.[/li][li]Dialogue: “Grady, do you remember your dreams?” “Only the wet ones.”[/li][li]Jesse sneaks out at night, looks for a bar, and ends up at a gay club. And guess what, the coach is there![/li][li]Coach makes Jesse run laps and shower. This leads into Coach’s death scene, which includes Coach being tied up with jump ropes, stripped naked, and his ass snapped with towels. Naked man-ass shot number 2. Total number of boobs in the movie, by the way, is zero.[/li][li]More close-ups of Jesse’s crotch in his underwear.[/li][li]A freaked-out Jesse runs away from his girlfriend to Grady’s house. Dialogue: “Something is trying to get inside my body.” “Yeah, she’s female and she’s waiting for you in the cabana. And you wanna sleep with me.” Grady then agrees to watch Jesse sleep.[/li][li]Then there’s more gibbering and crying and stuff until the very chaste ending.[/li][/ul] Considering that this was supposed to be a slasher pic, the director made some very odd choices. I felt that he was having entirely too much fun taking pictures of young men in their underwear. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-most-homoerotic-movie-ever-made-is/460571.md?page=6)