# And the Shit-Heap-of-the-Year-2014 goes to....
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-shit-heap-of-the-year-2014-goes-to/708122
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [December 24, 2014, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-shit-heap-of-the-year-2014-goes-to/708122 "2014-12-24T23:34:13Z")
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### Author:  [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)
#### Post date: [December 25, 2014, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-shit-heap-of-the-year-2014-goes-to/708122/21 "2014-12-25T14:51:27Z")
My nomination is for the guy(and I’ll omit his name) who decided it was a good idea to change a CD in his truck while driving. He looks up from that, and can’t stop in time to prevent hitting my father on his motorcycle.
First Christmas without the man I loved most in the whole world.
And the unnamed killer is alive. I hope he got a bunch of coal in his stocking.
I do know where he lives though. It’s about three blocks from me.
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### Author:  [@MacCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacCat)
#### Post date: [December 25, 2014, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-shit-heap-of-the-year-2014-goes-to/708122/22 "2014-12-25T15:21:12Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#):
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> Now, if a big pile of bricks would just avalanche itself down on these two, that would make for a truly merry holiday season.
More likely it would be a house for The Coultergeist. :eek:
> [@VinylTurnip](#):
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> Dammit. My Google Alert for **“Ann Coulter” and “hit in the head with a brick”** _finally_ goes off, and I’m thinking “Christmas miracle”…
I’m very glad I was between coffee sips when I read that… 😃
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### Author:  [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)
#### Post date: [December 25, 2014, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-shit-heap-of-the-year-2014-goes-to/708122/23 "2014-12-25T15:40:50Z")
> [@Bricker](#):
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> Yes. That isn’t the same as a claim that violence is a sine qua non of rape, much less than being hit with a brick is necessary,
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> It seems odd to me to complain about Coulter, a hateful woman whose stock in trade is falsely attributing quotes to her opponents, and to do so by falsely attributing quotes to her. It’s not like Coulter’s oeuvre is bereft of actual despicable claims.
No, she pretty well is saying that violence is a sine qua non of rape. People know what rape is, you know.
I don’t know how else to parse that. I agree with both your general points, that the headline is pulling the quote out of context and that one doesn’t need to do that to show Anne as an odious troll, but what she actually says is in context both odious and more or less implies the general sentiment being attributed to her.
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### Author:  [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)
#### Post date: [December 25, 2014, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-shit-heap-of-the-year-2014-goes-to/708122/24 "2014-12-25T16:06:54Z")
> [@Nava](#):
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> She must give off the most repulsive vibes ever, if nobody has ever groped her… I mean, there must have been a time when she went into crowds that weren’t made of her fans. Then again, perhaps it’s not assault until they rip off your clothes.
Grope = rape?
I agree partially with **Bricker** here. Why make the stupid mistake of pulling an Ann Coulter on Ann Coulter? You are now using the exact same tactics she does to smear people, but the crazy part is THERE IS NO REASON TO DO THAT.
However, I do think it’s pretty clear that she is equating rape with violence. I’m not 100% sure what her point is, but it looks like she’s ranting against the concept that it’s not consensual sex unless you have an explicit consent. That is, there must be an active effort of refusal by the rape victim to a physical threat by the rapist. A threat beyond the sex act itself.
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### Author:  [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)
#### Post date: [December 25, 2014, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-shit-heap-of-the-year-2014-goes-to/708122/25 "2014-12-25T16:09:41Z")
Kind of a hangover from the dark days of old, when a properly brought up young lady would rather die than surrender her virtue, certainly mere _threats_ of violence are not sufficient. Remember the old phrase “a fate worse than death”?
Fear is violence.
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### Author:  [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)
#### Post date: [December 25, 2014, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-shit-heap-of-the-year-2014-goes-to/708122/26 "2014-12-25T17:42:58Z")
> [@Hilarity\_N.Suze](#):
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> Also: Ann Coulter has friends?
Must be a brick shortage.
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### Author:  [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)
#### Post date: [December 25, 2014, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-shit-heap-of-the-year-2014-goes-to/708122/27 "2014-12-25T17:50:17Z")
It really does seem to me that she’s making the claim that rape is 1) very rare 2) happens mostly in foreign places and 3) is violent, and that she considers claims that don’t involve violence to be suspect at best.
Honestly, implications one and two seems pretty awful in and of themselves.
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### Author:  [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)
#### Post date: [December 25, 2014, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-shit-heap-of-the-year-2014-goes-to/708122/28 "2014-12-25T18:32:18Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#):
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> Must be a brick shortage.
Made me literally laugh out loud.
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### Author:  [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)
#### Post date: [December 25, 2014, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-shit-heap-of-the-year-2014-goes-to/708122/29 "2014-12-25T21:03:16Z")
> [@MandaJo](#):
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> It really does seem to me that she’s making the claim that rape is 1) very rare 2) happens mostly in foreign places and 3) is violent, and that she considers claims that don’t involve violence to be suspect at best.
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> Honestly, implications one and two seems pretty awful in and of themselves.
Why wouldn’t most rapes happen in foreign places? The US has only 5% of the world population. I’d be surprised if we had more than 5% of the world’s rapes.
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### Author:  [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)
#### Post date: [December 25, 2014, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-shit-heap-of-the-year-2014-goes-to/708122/30 "2014-12-25T21:24:37Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#):
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> Why wouldn’t most rapes happen in foreign places? The US has only 5% of the world population. I’d be surprised if we had more than 5% of the world’s rapes.
She seems to be implying that 2/3 of rapes of people in her social circle-friends of friends- take place in foreign places. Assuming that she doesn’t have a remarkably international social circle, that seems to be suggesting that rape happens a lot more often outside of the US than in it.
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### Author:  [@Ennui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ennui)
#### Post date: [December 25, 2014, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-shit-heap-of-the-year-2014-goes-to/708122/31 "2014-12-25T21:28:20Z")
While perhaps not as cringe worthy as some of his other acts and deeds, Pastor Steven Anderson is also a big supporter of “Dr. Dino” Kent Hovind. Hovind is a young earth creationist who used to run the Dinosaur Adventure Land theme park in Pensacola Florida until a unfortunate misunderstanding between him and the government led to Kent spending eight years (and counting) in federal prison.
Mr. Hovind insists he is not a tax protestor or a “sovereign citizen” type person but also claims the federal courts in general and the IRS is particular lacked jurisdiction over him and his tax fraud conviction is also flawed because he paid all the taxes he felt he legally owed. It’s just that he didn’t think he owed any. He’s found himself facing fresh charges for illegally (but to his mind, not unlawfully) impeding the sale of some of the property that was seized to pay his tax debt. The irony being that his trial is scheduled for this upcoming February which pretty much otherwise been his release date from his current sentence.
I don’t give a crap about “young earth creationists,” you might as well argue about [intelligent falling](http://www.theonion.com/articles/evangelical-scientists-refute-gravity-with-new-int,1778/). And it doesn’t even bug me that Kent Hovind is far too pig headed to ever accept any blame for the crimes he’s doing time for. But because he wraps himself in his own version of the robes of righteousness he tries to paint himself as the victim of some unspeakable anti-Christian conspiracy and like minded nutters like Pastor Steven Anderson are [eager to help him](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd4zhV9O7uc).
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### Author:  [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)
#### Post date: [December 25, 2014, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-shit-heap-of-the-year-2014-goes-to/708122/32 "2014-12-25T21:41:26Z")
> [@MandaJo](#):
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> She seems to be implying that 2/3 of rapes of people in her social circle-friends of friends- take place in foreign places. Assuming that she doesn’t have a remarkably international social circle, that seems to be suggesting that rape happens a lot more often outside of the US than in it.
I’m not sure I agree she’s suggesting that merely because her circle of acquaintances experienced rape most often overseas that the reader should conclude this is true for all people.
I read her suggestion to be: if you were raped, you know it. In other words, she is scorning the “I didn’t realize for days/weeks/years that what happened to me was rape.”
This is not, in my view, a fair statement to make universally. But it’s not at all what the OP (or his link) represented her comments to be.
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### Author:  [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)
#### Post date: [December 25, 2014, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-shit-heap-of-the-year-2014-goes-to/708122/33 "2014-12-25T22:48:43Z")
> [@Baker](#):
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> My nomination is for the guy(and I’ll omit his name) who decided it was a good idea to change a CD in his truck while driving. He looks up from that, and can’t stop in time to prevent hitting my father on his motorcycle.
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> First Christmas without the man I loved most in the whole world.
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> And the unnamed killer is alive. I hope he got a bunch of coal in his stocking.
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> I do know where he lives though. It’s about three blocks from me.
(((((Baker)))))
☹
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### Author:  [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)
#### Post date: [December 25, 2014, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-shit-heap-of-the-year-2014-goes-to/708122/34 "2014-12-25T23:14:43Z")
> [@Bricker](#):
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> I read her suggestion to be: if you were raped, you know it. In other words, she is scorning the “I didn’t realize for days/weeks/years that what happened to me was rape.”
To be fair there’s been a lot of consciousness raising about coerced or otherwise less-than-consensual intercourse/molestation. But I’m reminded of a letter someone once sent in to Dan Savage’s advice column:
> [@](#):
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> When I was 15, a cool boy invited me to his house. We smoked a poorly rolled joint. Then he asked if I wanted a massage. I had some idea what was coming. Five minutes later, I wasn’t a virgin anymore. He didn’t kiss me or touch me beyond the crappy massage, and I wasn’t physically ready. I felt like shit, I felt violated, and for a long time I felt like I had been raped. Then when I was 19 two strangers beat the shit out of me and really raped me. Let me tell you, when it happens you know it. It was violent, ugly, and completely unambiguous.
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> Like NYCG, I’m 23 years old now. I’m also doing well in the sex and self-respect departments, thanks. But when I read her letter, I thought, “Boo fucking hoo!” If that’s her sad story, she’s pretty lucky. --Fully Recovered
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### Author:  [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)
#### Post date: [December 25, 2014, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-shit-heap-of-the-year-2014-goes-to/708122/35 "2014-12-25T23:16:43Z")
> [@MandaJo](#):
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> She seems to be implying that 2/3 of rapes of people in her social circle-friends of friends- take place in foreign places. Assuming that she doesn’t have a remarkably international social circle, that seems to be suggesting that rape happens a lot more often outside of the US than in it.
Emphasis added. Why would you assume that?
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### Author:  [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)
#### Post date: [December 26, 2014, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-shit-heap-of-the-year-2014-goes-to/708122/36 "2014-12-26T00:28:11Z")
> [@Ennui](#):
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> {…} Mr. Hovind insists he is not a tax protestor or a “sovereign citizen” type person {…}
Sorry “Dr.” Dino, anyone that even mentions gold fringed flags, Admiralty courts, and “straw man” seriously is a fucking “sovereign citizen” type [DEL][COLOR=“Black”]person[/DEL][/COLOR] nutbag.
Fortunately he’s not a “Freeman on the Land”! ('Cause, ya know, he’s in jail. :happydance: )
CMC fnord!
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### Author:  [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)
#### Post date: [December 26, 2014, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-shit-heap-of-the-year-2014-goes-to/708122/37 "2014-12-26T05:39:37Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#):
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> Grope = rape?
No genius, grope = sexual assault.
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### Author:  [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)
#### Post date: [December 26, 2014, 8:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-shit-heap-of-the-year-2014-goes-to/708122/38 "2014-12-26T08:35:22Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#):
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> And one should not forget that in a barely related issue two nuts that were attracted to that protest killed two cops, and the police in Las Vegas showed their professionalism when they did not blame any politician nor Bundy for the killings.
That incident had to be faked, because we _know_ that _only left-wing types_ advocate killing cops.
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### Author:  [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)
#### Post date: [December 26, 2014, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-shit-heap-of-the-year-2014-goes-to/708122/39 "2014-12-26T18:05:08Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#):
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> Emphasis added. Why would you assume that?
Because if she had, she would have included that detail to avoid the implication of her statement.
Look, I really don’t give a shit about Anne Coulter and think she’s pretty much out there on the lunatic fringe where she’s only talking to an echo chamber. But I think that there were some pretty ugly dog whistles in her statement. But we can agree to disagree. It’s not like anything she says matters.
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### Author:  [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)
#### Post date: [January 13, 2015, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-shit-heap-of-the-year-2014-goes-to/708122/40 "2015-01-13T05:34:43Z")
Okay, it happened 13 years ago, but it only surfaced a day ago:
Pastor punched kid for not taking church seriously enough…
> **[Pastor punches youth as hard as he can for ‘not taking the Lord serious’ ](https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/pastor-punches-youth-not-lord-serious-article-1.2074291)**
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> A New Jersey pastor punched a youth in the chest as hard as he could for "not taking the Lord serious.'
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