# ...And the Whining Commences (MADD and GTA IV) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 1, 2008, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-whining-commences-madd-and-gta-iv/447666 "2008-05-01T20:51:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Kinthalis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kinthalis/32/16084_2.png) [@Kinthalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kinthalis)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-whining-commences-madd-and-gta-iv/447666/1 "2008-05-01T20:51:56Z")
[http://www.technewsworld.com/story/GTA-IV-Draws-Criticism-for-Simulated-Drunk-Driving-62827.html](http://www.technewsworld.com/story/GTA-IV-Draws-Criticism-for-Simulated-Drunk-Driving-62827.html) I can’t stand all these lame attacks on video games coming from the typical segments of the offenderatti. It’s a game rated M for mature. It’s not for 12 year olds. Will R rated movies be prohibited from showing drunk driving as well? It’s a small aspect of a mature game. Get over yourselves. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-whining-commences-madd-and-gta-iv/447666/2 "2008-05-01T21:01:24Z")
I was going to defend the protective orginization, until I clicked on the link. With all the things in the GTA series that are mature and illegal and immoral, you single out _drunk driving_? That’s like hating Bush entirely for his view on Social Security! ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-whining-commences-madd-and-gta-iv/447666/3 "2008-05-01T21:06:46Z")
To be fair, it is MADD, Mothers Against Drunk Driving. It makes sense that they’d be against drunk driving. I expect MAKPATTM (Mothers Against Killing Prostitutes And Taking Their Money) will be issuing a press release any time now. ---
**Author:** ![Geek\_Mecha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ecae2f/32.png) [@Geek\_Mecha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Geek_Mecha)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-whining-commences-madd-and-gta-iv/447666/4 "2008-05-01T21:13:42Z")
Won’t someone think of the prostitutes? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-whining-commences-madd-and-gta-iv/447666/5 "2008-05-01T21:14:42Z")
[QUOTE=Kinthalis] I can’t stand all these lame attacks on video games coming from the typical segments of the offenderatti. It’s a game rated M for mature. It’s not for 12 year olds. Will R rated movies be prohibited from showing drunk driving as well? It’s a small aspect of a mature game. Get over yourselves. [/QUOTE] Uh… they’re asking for it to get a higher rating. That said, you can always walk home in the game or take a cab. _GTA 4_ a blow for responsibility? Whoda thunk?!?! In other news, if anyone is really offended by the mature content of the game I’ll be happy to take your PS3 and game disc off your hands. ---
**Author:** ![Cluricaun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/bb73d2/32.png) [@Cluricaun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cluricaun)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-whining-commences-madd-and-gta-iv/447666/6 "2008-05-01T21:21:24Z")
MADD is one of those organizations that nobody ever gives any shite too because, hey c’mon it’s made up of greiving mothers and they want to protect kids! But fuck that and fuck them. Yes, people dying is bad and blah blah blah but these self important harpies are the reason you can get a DUI after two beers, which is crazy in and of itself. I wish someone would finally tell them to sit down and shut the fuck up. ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-whining-commences-madd-and-gta-iv/447666/7 "2008-05-01T21:23:18Z")
Yup. It makes MADD look like PETA. Groups I could definitely find lots of common ground on, but they go too radical to be taken seriously anymore and it starts to harm their original vision. ---
**Author:** ![neutron\_star](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/51bf81/32.png) [@neutron\_star](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/neutron_star)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-whining-commences-madd-and-gta-iv/447666/8 "2008-05-01T21:39:20Z")
Owners of GTA IV, raise your hands if you _didn’t_ see this coming the first time you tried driving drunk in the game. Some things are just too predictable. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-whining-commences-madd-and-gta-iv/447666/9 "2008-05-01T21:55:34Z")
[QUOTE=Kinthalis] Will R rated movies be prohibited from showing drunk driving as well? [/QUOTE] No, but I’m willing to bet they raise a stink over any movie depicting drunk driving as a fun pasttime, or at least one that doesn’t result in the driver being arrested/causing a horrific accident. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-whining-commences-madd-and-gta-iv/447666/10 "2008-05-01T21:59:08Z")
[QUOTE=Vinyl Turnip] No, but I’m willing to bet they raise a stink over any movie depicting drunk driving as a fun pasttime, or at least one that doesn’t result in the driver being arrested/causing a horrific accident. [/QUOTE] Maybe it’s just me, but anytime I drive anywhere in a GTA game, it results in a horrific accident. I always thought that was the entire point of the game. ---
**Author:** ![neutron\_star](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/51bf81/32.png) [@neutron\_star](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/neutron_star)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-whining-commences-madd-and-gta-iv/447666/11 "2008-05-01T22:18:51Z")
> [@Vinyl Turnip](#): > > No, but I’m willing to bet they raise a stink over any movie depicting drunk driving as a fun pasttime, or at least one that doesn’t result in the driver being arrested/causing a horrific accident. It’s hard not to wreck when you’re driving drunk in GTA and even if you manage to stay on the road, the cops will come after you and try to arrest you if they see you driving drunk. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-whining-commences-madd-and-gta-iv/447666/12 "2008-05-01T22:20:19Z")
[QUOTE=Cluricaun] MADD is one of those organizations that nobody ever gives any shite too because, hey c’mon it’s made up of greiving mothers and they want to protect kids! But fuck that and fuck them. Yes, people dying is bad and blah blah blah but these self important harpies are the reason you can get a DUI after two beers, which is crazy in and of itself. I wish someone would finally tell them to sit down and shut the fuck up. [/QUOTE] I’ll second that. MADD can eat shit and die. What a ridiculous neo-prohibitionist organization that gets the support of the court system. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-whining-commences-madd-and-gta-iv/447666/13 "2008-05-01T22:20:21Z")
[QUOTE=Miller] Maybe it’s just me, but anytime I drive anywhere in a GTA game, it results in a horrific accident. I always thought that was the entire point of the game. [/QUOTE] You must be playing it wrong. The best part of the game is driving under the speed limit and obeying all traffic laws. ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-whining-commences-madd-and-gta-iv/447666/14 "2008-05-01T22:20:41Z")
[QUOTE=AudreyK] Won’t someone think of the prostitutes? [/QUOTE] I know I do. ---
**Author:** ![neutron\_star](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/51bf81/32.png) [@neutron\_star](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/neutron_star)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-whining-commences-madd-and-gta-iv/447666/15 "2008-05-01T22:25:50Z")
[QUOTE=Giraffe] You must be playing it wrong. The best part of the game is driving under the speed limit and obeying all traffic laws. [/QUOTE] Yup. That’s exactly why [Bus Driver](http://www.gameshark.com/reviews/2958/Bus-Driver-Review.htm) was such a massively popular international hit. ---
**Author:** ![Cluricaun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/bb73d2/32.png) [@Cluricaun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cluricaun)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-whining-commences-madd-and-gta-iv/447666/16 "2008-05-01T22:32:49Z")
[QUOTE=jtgain] I’ll second that. MADD can eat shit and die. What a ridiculous neo-prohibitionist organization that gets the support of the court system. [/QUOTE] I know a few people who were of age when drinking and driving wasn’t the horrible offense that it is today. It was still a crime, but it wasn’t going to cost you several thousand dollars or perhaps even [get you charged with the fucking death penalty](http://www.duiblog.com/2004/11/06/the-death-penalty-for-dui/). MADD has been instrumental in changing legislation in the US to the point that it would be better to be arrested with a pound of crack in your possession than to drive after a few Budweisers. They aren’t thinking of the “children”, this is revenge pure and simple and if MADD has their way there would be more blood on their hands than on those of a drunk driver that collides head on with a school bus. ---
**Author:** ![Nancarrow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c37758/32.png) [@Nancarrow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nancarrow)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-whining-commences-madd-and-gta-iv/447666/17 "2008-05-01T22:38:30Z")
[QUOTE=Giraffe] You must be playing it wrong. The best part of the game is driving under the speed limit and obeying all traffic laws. [/QUOTE] Funnily enough the best part of the game for me (the couple of times I played GTA Vice City at a friend’s) was sitting in the car listening to the radio shows. Though riding the tank came a close second. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-whining-commences-madd-and-gta-iv/447666/18 "2008-05-01T22:47:28Z")
I don’t get it. I can play ANY video game drunk. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-whining-commences-madd-and-gta-iv/447666/19 "2008-05-01T22:48:55Z")
It’s a game. A game not even meant for children. The whiners need to get over it. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-whining-commences-madd-and-gta-iv/447666/20 "2008-05-01T23:03:22Z")
[QUOTE=Cluricaun] It was still a crime, but it wasn’t going to cost you several thousand dollars or perhaps even [get you charged with the fucking death penalty](http://www.duiblog.com/2004/11/06/the-death-penalty-for-dui/). [/QUOTE] Death penalty for DUI? Your link describes a few cases in which people have been charged with murder after killing people while driving drunk. That’s a completely different kettle of fish. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-whining-commences-madd-and-gta-iv/447666.md?page=2)