# And the worst BtVS episodes are... **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 7, 2003, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-worst-btvs-episodes-are/153527 "2003-02-07T18:49:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2003, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-worst-btvs-episodes-are/153527/21 "2003-02-09T02:07:40Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by pepperlandgirl \* > **Legomancer** you really need to get over it. Spike didn’t get staked because JW wanted a regular vampire on the show that wasn’t Angel redux. If you can’t figure out any logical reasons why he didn’t get staked, then hold on to that one. The boss, creater, excutive producer, wanted JM specifically because he needed to replace Angel and Cordelia. Sometimes when I read your rants, it seems you think these are real people and forget that the writers have a reason for evreything they do… \ > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by pepperlandgirl_ > You have to understand where Xander is coming from. The only people allowed to kill other people is Xander himself and everybody he has banged or has wanted to bang at some point. That’s it. Everybody else is shit on the botton of his shoe and will remain that way for eternity. Xander is, after all, the judge and jury of every person in Sunnydale. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Atom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85f322/32.png) [@Atom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atom)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2003, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-worst-btvs-episodes-are/153527/22 "2003-02-09T02:17:30Z")
Anything after season 5. The show was stellar because it was B Horror and it knew it was B horror. It never took itself seriously, and was every bit as humorous as it was violent, horrific, or dramatic. But after the fifth season all the humor was sucked out and each character, especially Xander, was changed beyond recognition. Oh, and Dawn sucks. ---
**Author:** ![Snooooopy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@Snooooopy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snooooopy)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2003, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-worst-btvs-episodes-are/153527/23 "2003-02-09T03:24:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Legomancer \* > \*\* > Unfortunately what worked well with the Mayor in season three (having a single, season-long big bad) hasn’t worked so great since. Adam was just painfully silly, and the whole Glory business was a three-part story thinly stretched over an entire season. \*\* Adam was worth it, if only for the time where someone asks him if he was ever a Boy Scout and he replies, “Parts of me.” ---
**Author:** ![pepperlandgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f17d59/32.png) [@pepperlandgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pepperlandgirl)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2003, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-worst-btvs-episodes-are/153527/24 "2003-02-09T03:36:26Z")
**Miller** , point. _But_ I don’t take the oppurtunity in every single thread about Buffy, regardless of context, to shout at the rooftops how much I hate Xander or Angel for that matter, or blame Xander (or Angel) for the downfall of the show. I blame (and try to direct my anger/hate at)the people who are responsible----namely, Marti Noxon. ---
**Author:** ![Legomancer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/779978/32.png) [@Legomancer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Legomancer)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2003, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-worst-btvs-episodes-are/153527/25 "2003-02-09T04:24:05Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by pepperlandgirl \* > \*\ ***Miller** , point. _But_ I don’t take the oppurtunity in every single thread about Buffy, regardless of context, to shout at the rooftops how much I hate Xander or Angel for that matter, or blame Xander (or Angel) for the downfall of the show. > I blame (and try to direct my anger/hate at)the people who are responsible----namely, Marti Noxon. \*\* I don’t either. Perhaps it looks that way, but I purposely avoid even reading most Buffy threads because I don’t want to hear about Spike all the time. ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2003, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-worst-btvs-episodes-are/153527/26 "2003-02-09T05:08:23Z")
> [@](#): > > As far as him not being an Angel redux, well I guess that didn’t go according to plan, since he’s pretty much exactly the same as Angel now except that he’s cuter than David Boreanaz was, I guess. Marsters cuter than Boreanaz? I’m watching Season 3 now and let me tell you, Boreanaz _liquifies_ me. And **pepperland** , I think it’s funny that you accuse Legomancer of going into every thread and shouting that he hates Xander. You’d be shouting how much you hate Marti Noxon from every rooftop if you weren’t already hoarse from shouting how much you hate the show _Angel_. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Drastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Drastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drastic)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2003, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-worst-btvs-episodes-are/153527/27 "2003-02-09T05:22:37Z")
I just take for granted that any online Buffy discussions tend to contain people who–I hope–really don’t realize just how frighteningly obsessed and bitter they sound. You tune it out, sort of like visual static when using rabbit ears. I’ve only seen scattered episodes past season four, which I actually watched as it happened, and then fell out of the habit (watching anything, not just the show) between seasons. Now I’ve just started into season three (god bless netflix). From that perspective, the show didn’t really start firing all its cylinders until the second season, aside from scattered highlights in the first; season one simply wouldn’t have caught me at all. Lameness in the second: “Some Assembly Required” and “Ted.” No real observations on three yet, and I’ll see how my memories of four hold up when those hit dvd rentability status again. ---
**Author:** ![pepperlandgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f17d59/32.png) [@pepperlandgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pepperlandgirl)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2003, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-worst-btvs-episodes-are/153527/28 "2003-02-09T05:51:03Z")
> [@](#): > > I just take for granted that any online Buffy discussions tend to contain people who–I hope–really don’t realize just how frighteningly obsessed and bitter they sound. You tune it out, sort of like visual static when using rabbit ears. Oddly enough, I know _exactly_ how obsessed and bitter I sound, because I _am_ obsessed and bitter. 😃 😉 ---
**Author:** ![robertliguori](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/46a35a/32.png) [@robertliguori](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robertliguori)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2003, 7:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-worst-btvs-episodes-are/153527/29 "2003-02-09T07:10:54Z")
The entire show has good bits and bad bits. Except Parker, who had only good bits, and Riley, who had only bad bits. ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2003, 10:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-worst-btvs-episodes-are/153527/30 "2003-02-09T10:34:42Z")
—Adam was worth it, if only for the time where someone asks him if he was ever a Boy Scout and he replies, “Parts of me.”— Don’t forget “Mr. Bits” I kinda liked Adam’s inquisitive, zippy, carefree personality: he at least didn’t strike me as lame as other people consider him to be. —I don’t either. Perhaps it looks that way, but I purposely avoid even reading most Buffy threads because I don’t want to hear about Spike all the time.— “Hear” about? I think you mean “be forced to rant and rave endlessly” about. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Cliffy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/59ef9b/32.png) [@Cliffy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cliffy)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2003, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-worst-btvs-episodes-are/153527/31 "2003-02-09T21:00:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by pepperlandgirl \* > **And you know, you aren’t even blaming the decline of the show on the right reasons either.** BWAH-HA-HA-HA-HA! ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2003, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-worst-btvs-episodes-are/153527/32 "2003-02-09T21:08:20Z")
> [@](#): > > Lameness in the second: “Some Assembly Required” and “Ted.” DO NOT DISRESEPCT THE ROBOT JOHN RITTER! Spike, Angel, Parker… They got nothin’ on RJR. Does Spike make mini-pizzas? Can Angel get you free software? Can Parker bake a brownie? Actually, he can, but Robot John Ritter’s brownies have lemon zest and a milder tranquilizer. **pepper** ’s got Spike, I’ve got my Robot John Ritter. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2003, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-worst-btvs-episodes-are/153527/33 "2003-02-10T19:57:47Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by PunditLisa \* > \*\*Marsters cuter than Boreanaz? I’m watching Season 3 now and let me tell you, Boreanaz _liquifies_ me. > \*\* Yeah, well, Season 3 Boreanaz \* maybe. \* Season 4 Boreanaz? Forget it. Way too chunked up. He’s a better actor now, though. He’s playing Angelus more subtly than Season 2. And I’ve been meaning to ask/whine about this for months now, so I think I’ll fiunally get around to it: \*\* Apos, \*\* you have been here for nearly a year. You posted nearly 2,000 times. Whyohwhy do you still insist on using your own personal method of quoting and refuse to use the oh-so-handy-and-so-much-easier-to-read system that the board itself offers? Your posts throw me off every time, I have to read them twice to figure out what’s going on. Your’e driving me nuts. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-the-worst-btvs-episodes-are/153527.md?page=1)