# And There It Is: Gunman was regular at Pulse **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 14, 2016, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-there-it-is-gunman-was-regular-at-pulse/757312 "2016-06-14T01:43:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-there-it-is-gunman-was-regular-at-pulse/757312/61 "2016-06-15T22:28:23Z")
It’s remarkable how so many homophobes talk about things being shoved in their faces and jammed down their throats, isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2016, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-there-it-is-gunman-was-regular-at-pulse/757312/62 "2016-06-15T22:51:00Z")
Maybe he should have worn some sort of head covering, with a little mesh window that he can peek out of. ---
**Author:** ![Zeke\_N.Destroi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/4af34b/32.png) [@Zeke\_N.Destroi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeke_N.Destroi)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-there-it-is-gunman-was-regular-at-pulse/757312/63 "2016-06-16T00:55:09Z")
What gets me is how many people who a week ago couldn’t give a fuck about queers are suddenly outraged about the dead gay people because the person that made them dead is Muslim. And, no, that comment is not meant toward anyone here. ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-there-it-is-gunman-was-regular-at-pulse/757312/64 "2016-06-16T01:26:30Z")
> [@Zeke\_N.Destroi](#): > > What gets me is how many people who a week ago couldn’t give a fuck about queers are suddenly outraged about the dead gay people because the person that made them dead is Muslim. I think vegans are dumbasses, but that doesn’t mean I want to see them dead. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-there-it-is-gunman-was-regular-at-pulse/757312/65 "2016-06-16T01:57:29Z")
> [@Zeke\_N.Destroi](#): > > What gets me is how many people who a week ago couldn’t give a fuck about queers are suddenly outraged about the dead gay people because the person that made them dead is Muslim. > > And, no, that comment is not meant toward anyone here. Two points: I sort of get the rhetorical point you’re making, but your use of the word “queers” is jarring, unless you are one yourself. Sort of like the n-word. Second, I think you’re wrong. The country seems divided into two camps - either this was a terrorist act because (Obama/Democrats/liberals) are too soft and squishy to keep us safe from Radical Islamic Terrorism; or this was a hate crime directed against an already-embattled group of people who were just out having fun. The people who think it was a hate crime don’t seem to care much that the murderer was Muslim; the people who rail against Islam don’t seem to care much who the victims were. At least that’s the way I am reading it. (For the record, so far I am thinking this is a hate crime papered over with a mostly-fake nod to radical Islamic terrorist groups. Full disclosure: I am gay myself and therefore sensitive to anti-gay violence, so perhaps I am not entirely objective on this point.) ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-there-it-is-gunman-was-regular-at-pulse/757312/66 "2016-06-16T02:03:08Z")
Straight, though sensitive to anti-gay violence, and in full agreement. A shoutout to ISIS _ **after** _ he killed a bunch of people? Feeble. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-there-it-is-gunman-was-regular-at-pulse/757312/67 "2016-06-16T02:10:19Z")
The shout-out to Isil sort of reminds me of the first _Die Hard_ movie, when Gruber is reeling off that list of terrorist organizations to the police over the phone. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-there-it-is-gunman-was-regular-at-pulse/757312/68 "2016-06-16T02:17:47Z")
> [@Roderick\_Femm](#): > > (For the record, so far I am thinking this is a hate crime papered over with a mostly-fake nod to radical Islamic terrorist groups. Full disclosure: I am gay myself and therefore sensitive to anti-gay violence, so perhaps I am not entirely objective on this point.) That would seem to be the only really plausible explanation for the multiplicity of mutually hostile radical Islamist groups this guy was symbolically supporting. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-there-it-is-gunman-was-regular-at-pulse/757312/69 "2016-06-16T04:02:09Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > The shout-out to Isil sort of reminds me of the first _Die Hard_ movie, when Gruber is reeling off that list of terrorist organizations to the police over the phone. “ISIS?” “I read about them in _Time_ magazine.” ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-there-it-is-gunman-was-regular-at-pulse/757312/70 "2016-06-16T04:09:38Z")
> [@Grumman](#): > > I think vegans are dumbasses, but that doesn’t mean I want to see them dead. Although I am neither vegetarian or vegan, I think people who think vegans are dumbasses are dumbasses. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-there-it-is-gunman-was-regular-at-pulse/757312/71 "2016-06-16T04:13:24Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > Although I am neither vegetarian or vegan, I think people who think vegans are dumbasses are dumbasses. I like vegans, they don’t hog all the meat. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-there-it-is-gunman-was-regular-at-pulse/757312/72 "2016-06-16T04:31:52Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > I like vegans, they don’t hog all the meat. And if vegans never felt the need to tell anyone what they eat and why and why I should agree that would be fine. Like I give a shit what someone else eats. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-there-it-is-gunman-was-regular-at-pulse/757312/73 "2016-06-16T04:54:41Z")
There are a lot of very sensible things to be said for a vegan-type diet. And I will be totally onboard just as soon they show me a zucchini that tastes like bacon. \* Exactly\* like bacon, not some brown pressed soybean that I use my imagination. GMO the living shit out of it, I don’t care, just slap the warning label on it and hand it over. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 7:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-there-it-is-gunman-was-regular-at-pulse/757312/74 "2016-06-16T07:20:13Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > There are a lot of very sensible things to be said for a vegan-type diet. And I will be totally onboard just as soon they show me a zucchini that tastes like bacon. \* Exactly\* like bacon, not some brown pressed soybean that I use my imagination. GMO the living shit out of it, I don’t care, just slap the warning label on it and hand it over. Found my Facebook status for tomorrow morning! ---
**Author:** ![Zeke\_N.Destroi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/4af34b/32.png) [@Zeke\_N.Destroi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeke_N.Destroi)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 7:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-there-it-is-gunman-was-regular-at-pulse/757312/75 "2016-06-16T07:43:20Z")
> [@Grumman](#): > > I think vegans are dumbasses, but that doesn’t mean I want to see them dead. > [@Roderick\_Femm](#): > > Two points: I sort of get the rhetorical point you’re making, but your use of the word “queers” is jarring, unless you are one yourself. Sort of like the n-word. > > Second, I think you’re wrong. The country seems divided into two camps - either this was a terrorist act because (Obama/Democrats/liberals) are too soft and squishy to keep us safe from Radical Islamic Terrorism; or this was a hate crime directed against an already-embattled group of people who were just out having fun. The people who think it was a hate crime don’t seem to care much that the murderer was Muslim; the people who rail against Islam don’t seem to care much who the victims were. At least that’s the way I am reading it. > > (For the record, so far I am thinking this is a hate crime papered over with a mostly-fake nod to radical Islamic terrorist groups. Full disclosure: I am gay myself and therefore sensitive to anti-gay violence, so perhaps I am not entirely objective on this point.) Actually I think we are in complete agreement. My point was that it seems to me that many people who didn’t give a shit about queers (I’ll get to that in a moment) a week ago are suddenly saying “look at what Muslims do to lgbtq people. Fucking Muslims want to take away all our freedoms!!” I think most of the outrage is directed toward Muslims and the fact that this attack was aimed against a minority allows them to seem tolerant when really it is bigotry in camouflage. As to the use of the word queer I’m truly sorry if it offends but it is the “q” in LGBTQ but I’ve known LGBTQ people who embraced “fag” and hated “gay” and vice versa. I can’t keep up with the changing nomenclature so I choose to go with “queer” because that is what William S. Burroughs preferred and he made a compelling argument. I truly meant no offense. Zeke \<– a straight white guy who attended the Pride vigil tonight and will be in the Pride march on Saturday. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-there-it-is-gunman-was-regular-at-pulse/757312/76 "2016-06-16T16:23:50Z")
For what it’s worth, which is nothing, I don’t like the word queer and I resent that a bunch of queer-ass little fags decided on my behalf that I was supposed to feel all empowered by reclaiming that stupid word. Nobody asked me. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-there-it-is-gunman-was-regular-at-pulse/757312/77 "2016-06-16T16:29:40Z")
Did the gay people steal calling somebody “straight” from the hippies, or did we steal it from them? I would feel a bit uncomfortable saying I’m straight. If anybody asked me, or gave a shit. Which they don’t. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-there-it-is-gunman-was-regular-at-pulse/757312/78 "2016-06-16T16:30:44Z")
I think the “q” stands for “questioning”. Having it stand for “queer” kind of makes the “g” redundant. (Unless having it there twice is an instance of that whole “shoving it in your face” thing that some folks are always complaining about.) ---
**Author:** ![Maggie\_the\_Ocelot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@Maggie\_the\_Ocelot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maggie_the_Ocelot)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-there-it-is-gunman-was-regular-at-pulse/757312/79 "2016-06-16T16:40:10Z")
Yup, the Q is for Questioning. And I agree, if you’re not part of the community it’s not really appropriate to use queer, unless you’re referring to a specific person who identifies that way. LGBT is just fine. But I don’t think we want this discussion derailed by terminology, do we? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-there-it-is-gunman-was-regular-at-pulse/757312/80 "2016-06-16T17:57:26Z")
> [@Maggie\_the\_Ocelot](#): > > But I don’t think we want this discussion derailed by terminology, do we? On _this_ board? Perish the thought. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-there-it-is-gunman-was-regular-at-pulse/757312.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/and-there-it-is-gunman-was-regular-at-pulse/757312.md?page=5)