And to Think I can't See it on Mulberry Street -- Six Seuss Books retired for racism

Like I said - not real Africans - he feels free to make up whatever he likes about foreigners. He still calls it Africa, though, not Mu.

Yes, he does it about fictional American places, too - but he doesn’t draw their inhabitants like picaninnies while he does that.

The description of the stock image labels it traditional. My apologies. You are still missing the main point while looking nits to pick. Which is a single image is typically not intrinsically racist. Images like what you are complaining about become associated with racism when they are used to consistently ridicule and mock others in order to foster a belief system that one group based on phenotype is intrinsically inferior to another. I don’t see any evidence that Dr Seuss was engaged in that behavior based on these few drawings. If anything, Dr. Seuss’s biggest offense may have been one of exclusion.

Yes, yes we do. His work clearly poked fun at racism, he hated it.

By making a racist caricature of black people?

We know this? Or you assume this, and then use it to gloss over anything that contradicts what you have already concluded.

That’s not actually how Occam’s razor works. Not at all.

It also clearly labels it as for an initiation ceremony. Maybe if you’re ignorant of what that is, don’t just GIS “African tribesmen in grass skirts” and grab the first image you find, yeah?

And so I was right, you are seriously asserting that Seuss’s picaninny caricature is not inherently racist.

Well, that’s … an opinion.

I’ve been quite clear that I don’t think any word or symbol is intrinsically racist. I believe everything needs to be judged in context.

The “context” is 500 years of White supremacy…the racism was baked in before the image was ever conceived of by Seuss.

I just… “picaninnies aren’t racist”. That’s just … incredible.

Is it definitely due to racism, or offensiveness in general? I don’t see a big problem with the guy on the camel-y thing, but the word ‘spazz’ in the UK is a - possibly somewhat outdated- slur for someone with cerebral palsy.

If you dont know enough about Theodor Seuss Geisel to know he was very much NOT a racist, then there is no use debating with you about this issue.

Why is that phrase in quotes when never said. That said, I got to look up a new word. Ok… let’s see, I thought the illustration was that of Pygmies or some other tribal group. What makes you think they are so-called picaninnies? Why would children be wrangling an animal for the zoo?

Mulberry Street came out in 1937, before Seuss was drawing those seriously racist war-era comics. I’m sure he got better, but there’s no question that he had some anti-Asian racism in him back then.

This shit again? If I want to quote you, I’ll use the quote box. Stop accusing me of misquoting you when I’m very obviously paraphrasing you.

Sure, you had no idea what a picaninny was… there aren’t enough :roll_eyes: in the world.

I don’t know… why did you use children to attempt your grass skirt gotcha?

Nope, I’m not going there . . . but I’d love it if someone else did.

Interesting tactic. “If you don’t already agree with my conclusion, then there’s no use debating you about it.”

By the standards of his day, I’m sure he was quite egalitarian. That doesn’t mean that he wasn’t racist by the standards of today.

And since it is determining whether his works are relevant and appropriate for today, that is the applicable standard that is actually important here.

That was actually the Library saying that water is wet. Really, the approach and title of the article from the NYP is bullshit. It is their procedure at the library and as others already pointed out, it was the publisher who decided to stop printing the offensive books, they did not order any library to stop lending them.

The right in America really has no clue about what “woke” really means.

I’m puzzling over what was objectionable with Green Eggs and Ham. Not really remembering it I found a YouTube video where it was read aloud with pix of the book and, unlike the others shown here there were no racial stereotypes that I noticed, just Seusian furry critters.

What made them pull the trigger on this one?

Your paraphrases are consistently completely wrong. That might not be technically a misquote but it’s not any better.

Why would I google a word if I knew the meaning of it? You seem to think that everyone in the US shares your particular world view and knowledge of and stance on language. The truth is, they don’t.

I’ve seen the images. I’ve probably heard the word. I didn’t know the word referred to the images. Why is it surprising for someone to not know everything you may know? Like I didn’t know jungle was problematic. That was news to me.

Because it was a photo of members of a Pygmy tribe in traditional garb. The fact that they were children was completely irrelevant.

AFAIK, they didn’t. What makes you think they did?

“They” didn’t,

Six Dr. Seuss books will no longer be published because they “portray people in ways that are hurtful and wrong,” the business that preserves the author’s legacy said.
The titles are:

  • And to Think That I Saw It on Mulberry Street
  • If I Ran the Zoo
  • McElligot’s Pool
  • On Beyond Zebra!
  • Scrambled Eggs Super!
  • The Cat’s Quizzer

The six books that were pulled are in the OP and did not include Green Eggs and Ham, even though that Sam-I-Am is a little shit and should be canceled for handing out moldy eggs and ham! :slight_smile:

ETA: Jeez, so many ninjas!