# Andor (starting September 21, 2022) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [September 18, 2022, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andor-starting-september-21-2022/971787 "2022-09-18T23:19:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 10:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andor-starting-september-21-2022/971787/282 "2022-11-17T10:00:41Z")
[![](https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2015/12/17/09/stormtroopers.jpg) ](https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2015/12/17/09/stormtroopers.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Strangelove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.strangelove/32/6613_2.png) [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 10:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andor-starting-september-21-2022/971787/283 "2022-11-17T10:42:46Z")
[![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/5HO70-Rk3jE/hqdefault.jpg "Troops (1997) Star Wars / COPS parody. HQ video / original soundtrack") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HO70-Rk3jE) ---
**Author:** ![Chelonaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9a140/32.png) [@Chelonaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chelonaut)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andor-starting-september-21-2022/971787/284 "2022-11-17T11:09:48Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > I didn’t understand what happened with the Aliens. Were they just messing with them and always going to let them go or did Andor actually convince them to let them go? Mostly just messing. Just thinking about handing them over reminds the fisheraliens of all the mess the empire has made of their livelyhood, and they decide to help them instead. I’m a bit unclear about the rebels thoughts about Andor. Vel and Cinta want to trap him on Ferrix. To kill him I gather, tie up loose ends. But Vel is not open about that when she talks about Andor with Luthens partner at the antiques store, though Luthen has also worried out loud that Andor is a loose end. So it’s just Vel and Cinta that has decided to act on their own? ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andor-starting-september-21-2022/971787/285 "2022-11-17T11:58:25Z")
Maybe it will be Cinta vs Vel, each with their conviction about what must be done. I couldn’t catch a lot of what the aliens were saying, actually. I was pretty happy to see that Andor has gotten back the manifesto! And I kind of want to know where the other prisoner goes after leaving him. I guess we’ll have a big showdown on Ferrix next. Luthen’s ship having the weird lightsaber attachment felt a little silly IMHO, but I liked his escape and conversation with Saw. Man, those two were really putting on a show. And Saw had finally decided to work with a Separatist > [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > That’s what I thought at first, but it seemed to me that the rod somehow morphed into the pistol he threatened Saw with—like, to me, it seemed that he reached for it and then had a gun in his hand. So I thought maybe it was just a disguised firearm. But I’m not sure I caught this right, will rewatch later. I thought he grabbed the gun off of Two-Tubes when the alien stepped forward. Also not sure what the little handle object was either-I’m hoping not a lightsaber. I’ve seen enough “Maybe Luthen is Sith” stuff floating around. This show doesn’t need Jedi IMHO. Not the strongest episode, but some damned fine acting. ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andor-starting-september-21-2022/971787/286 "2022-11-17T12:00:30Z")
Loved the little space battle cameo with Luthen. The double laser “sword spin” was completely unnecessary, probably impractical and yet undeniably cool. Good to see the fat scottish sergeant again, there are minimal scenes in Andor that are played for laughs but they are nicely done when they do pop up. I also come back to the manifesto. I thought that it had more to play in this. Why make a thing of Nemik handing it over to Andor? And sure enough we see it again when Andor retrieves his case from the hotel room. I fully expect to hear Nemik’s words and thoughts in the mouths of the rebellion leaders before Andor finishes its two season run. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andor-starting-september-21-2022/971787/287 "2022-11-17T12:46:18Z")
> [@Chelonaut](#): > > I’m a bit unclear about the rebels thoughts about Andor. Vel and Cinta want to trap him on Ferrix. To kill him I gather, tie up loose ends. But Vel is not open about that when she talks about Andor with Luthens partner at the antiques store, though Luthen has also worried out loud that Andor is a loose end. So it’s just Vel and Cinta that has decided to act on their own? Kleya (Luthen’s partner) essentially ordered Vel to kill Cassian in episode 7, when they met on Coruscant after the Aldhani raid: “We have a loose end. Cassian Andor, who you know as Clem. You need to find him.” “Find him?” “We can’t have him walking around with Luthen in his head.” “You mean kill him.” “This is what revolution looks like Vel.” But as far as I can tell, Kleya put out that order without discussing it with Luthen first. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andor-starting-september-21-2022/971787/288 "2022-11-17T13:28:47Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > This show doesn’t need Jedi IMHO. Absolutely agree with this, but I also thought that was a lightsaber, or at least an old handle of one. > [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > I also come back to the manifesto. I thought that it had more to play in this. Yup. And they made a point of having us hear the manifesto to remind the viewer what it was. ---
**Author:** ![Chelonaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9a140/32.png) [@Chelonaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chelonaut)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andor-starting-september-21-2022/971787/289 "2022-11-17T15:09:52Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > Kleya (Luthen’s partner) essentially ordered Vel to kill Cassian in episode 7, when they met on Coruscant after the Aldhani raid: Oh, I remember that now. This fits with the conversation Kleya and Luthen have over hyperradio right before he is almost picked up by the empire patrol. They talk about a “piece” that other “collectors” want. It is obviously code, perhaps they discuss Andor and what could happen if the empire gets him before he was taken care of. Yeah, now that I think about it, it would be strange if Luthen turned out to be the most compassionate of the cast in a given situation. Next episode I guess we will see how many of Kriegers(sp?) men are sacrificed to keep Jung, Luthens SIB mole, safe. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andor-starting-september-21-2022/971787/290 "2022-11-17T15:15:16Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > B2EMO. He be too emo. Oh jeez, why didn’t I catch that? Interestingly, I looked up B2EMO and he is listed as a groundmech droid. R2D2 is, of course, an astromech droid. Nice little piece of world building. ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andor-starting-september-21-2022/971787/291 "2022-11-17T21:28:14Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > I thought he grabbed the gun off of Two-Tubes when the alien stepped forward. Also not sure what the little handle object was either-I’m hoping not a lightsaber. I’ve seen enough “Maybe Luthen is Sith” stuff floating around. This show doesn’t need Jedi IMHO. Yeah, on rewatch, you’re right. Also on the fact that the show doesn’t need any Jedi—or Sith. There could be an opening, however, given its overall theme of complicating the naive light-vs.-dark morality of Star Wars, for exploring something not falling into that dichotomy, be it a ‘grey’ force user or something else along those lines. If any show could pull it off, it’s this one. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andor-starting-september-21-2022/971787/292 "2022-11-17T22:30:21Z")
It turns out that it is a retractable cane that has been shown before, though I don’t remember it. > **[r/andor - its his retractable walking cane](https://www.reddit.com/r/andor/comments/yxdn48/its_his_retractable_walking_cane/)** > > 47 votes and 21 comments so far on Reddit That doesn’t change the possibility that it can be a modified lightsaber, though, or that the kyber crystal goes with it. Especially since he has a shop chock full of jedi and sith artifacts anyway (along with the Aztec artifacts and Moroccan nautilids) > **[Luthen's Art Gallery in 'Andor' Is Full of Star Wars Easter Eggs](https://collider.com/luthen-art-gallery-in-andor-full-of-star-wars-easter-eggs/)** > > The latest episode of 'Andor' features more than a few deep cut to fan-favorite Star Wars stories...and another Lucasfilm property. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andor-starting-september-21-2022/971787/293 "2022-11-17T22:37:31Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Moroccan nautilids An episode or two ago: [![](https://i.imgur.com/3E3aq8B.jpeg) ](https://i.imgur.com/3E3aq8B.jpeg) [https://www.etsy.com/market/orthoceras\_plate](https://www.etsy.com/market/orthoceras_plate) ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andor-starting-september-21-2022/971787/294 "2022-11-17T22:54:19Z")
> [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > for exploring something not falling into that dichotomy, be it a ‘grey’ force user or something else along those lines. The was Bendu… [https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Bendu](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Bendu) ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2022, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andor-starting-september-21-2022/971787/295 "2022-11-18T00:05:48Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > It turns out that it is a retractable cane that has been shown before, though I don’t remember it. Luthen was showing using it as a walking stick in episode 3, when he was hiking from his ship into Ferrix. When he reached town he retracted it and put it away. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2022, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andor-starting-september-21-2022/971787/296 "2022-11-18T00:28:07Z")
I’d forgotten about the cane! Well, that’s one mystery solved. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2022, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andor-starting-september-21-2022/971787/297 "2022-11-18T00:29:19Z")
It could just be convenient lightsaber camouflage. ---
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2022, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andor-starting-september-21-2022/971787/298 "2022-11-18T03:14:24Z")
With one episode left and then a supposed 5 year gap to begin season 2 I could see the season ending with the demise of Luthen. Since we never got to see what Bix had to say at the end of her interrogation I’m wondering if she broke. Could see the ISB springing an unexpected trap on Luthen, him dying rather than being captured, Andor escaping, and everyone including Mon forced underground for 5 years. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2022, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andor-starting-september-21-2022/971787/299 "2022-11-18T04:37:35Z")
> [@Hampshire](#): > > With one episode left and then a supposed 5 year gap to begin season 2 One year between 1x12 and 2x01. A five year gap would put 2x01 a year after the Battle of Yavin. > **[Andor's Second Season Will Jump a Year Every 3 Episodes](https://gizmodo.com/star-wars-andor-timeline-season-2-disney-plus-1849140403)** > > Tony Gilroy explains the inspiration behind Andor's unconventional path to Rogue One. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2022, 10:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andor-starting-september-21-2022/971787/300 "2022-11-23T10:32:02Z")
Season finale is out. I’m watching it now. Maarva’s funeral scene is taking longer than the Clone Wars. ---
**Author:** ![TwoCarrotSnowman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/twocarrotsnowman/32/15879_2.png) [@TwoCarrotSnowman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwoCarrotSnowman)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2022, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andor-starting-september-21-2022/971787/301 "2022-11-23T19:10:18Z")
I really enjoyed the finale. Note that there’s a post-credits stinger. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andor-starting-september-21-2022/971787.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andor-starting-september-21-2022/971787.md?page=16)