# Andor (starting September 21, 2022) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [September 18, 2022, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andor-starting-september-21-2022/971787 "2022-09-18T23:19:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Lantern2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lantern2/32/3010_2.png) [@Lantern2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lantern2)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2022, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andor-starting-september-21-2022/971787/302 "2022-11-23T19:57:48Z")
Liked the episode but is it me or is Cassian awfully casual about his appearance given that he has escaped prison and is in additional danger back on Ferrix? You would think he would at least grow a beard, shave his head or something. Were there any hidden clues in the prison episodes that the prisoners were in fact working on the Death Star ? If so I am guessing there is some long Reddit thread or Youtube video about it; please post here if you find a good one. It’s been a while since I have seen Rogue One but from the Wiki plot summary it seems that Cassian only learns about the Death Star from an informant in the film. I thought a possible plot line for Season 2 might be Cassian et al slowly piecing together the secret of the Death Star but that may be difficult to reconcile with R1. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2022, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andor-starting-september-21-2022/971787/303 "2022-11-23T21:25:13Z")
I really enjoyed this series, it was a breath of fresh air and opens up new possibilities of where Star Wars can go. But it isn’t my favourite ever, it isn’t what I want all Star Wars to be, and really it was barely Star Wars at all. You could pluck it out and put it into any period of history barely unchanged. Even the props were a bit lacklustre and looked like they just glued junk onto real world things. I like fun whimsical adventure in Star Wars, but this was almost wall-to-wall dark gritty drama, with no real comedy or light moments to alleviate the grim miserable existence of life under Imperial rule. That was, of course, intentional, but it was a bit heavy going at times. So yes, it was very entertaining and I look forward to season 2; it was exciting to see where Star Wars can go from here; and I am very glad Lucasfilm took this big leap of their audience’s faith. But only do this occasionally, please. Make it a rare treat, not the new normal. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2022, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andor-starting-september-21-2022/971787/304 "2022-11-23T22:28:45Z")
I gotta say, I straight up cheered when anvil guy kicked the stormtrooper off the tower. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andor-starting-september-21-2022/971787/305 "2022-11-24T02:00:51Z")
> [@Lantern2](#): > > Were there any hidden clues in the prison episodes that the prisoners were in fact working on the Death Star ? Not so much hidden clue as clearly implied by Andor - some line in which he had concluded that whatever they are building there is important to the Empire and secret, as his explaining why no one was going to be leaving alive. Of course he could have been wrong but the line was said for us to guess this. > [@GuanoLad](#): > > it isn’t what I want all Star Wars to be I’m not sure what balance I’d want but I am glad that this is part of the mix. There is no concern that Disney will give up on the lighter, whimsical, child friendly, toy and other product tied parts of the mix. This anchors some adult viewers to stay as happy subscribers, but kids and cute show associated kid products drive more profits more directly. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andor-starting-september-21-2022/971787/306 "2022-11-24T04:59:37Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > Even the props were a bit lacklustre and looked like they just glued junk onto real world things. The props for the original movie were literally junk glued on to real world things. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andor-starting-september-21-2022/971787/307 "2022-11-24T05:46:38Z")
Right, but they managed to not look like they did that. It had a level of clever reworking that masked the prop’s mundane origins. But for this, a flute with extra pipes just looked like a flute. A polaroid camera without its shell is still clearly a polaroid camera. The extra effort was missing. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andor-starting-september-21-2022/971787/308 "2022-11-24T07:08:16Z")
> [@TwoCarrotSnowman](#): > > Note that there’s a post-credits stinger. Wow, thanks for mentioning that. I missed it entirely. I have a problem with it, though–the Death Star was essentially complete four years BBY? ---
**Author:** ![TwoCarrotSnowman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/twocarrotsnowman/32/15879_2.png) [@TwoCarrotSnowman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwoCarrotSnowman)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 8:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andor-starting-september-21-2022/971787/309 "2022-11-24T08:43:48Z")
> [@Lantern2](#): > > Were there any hidden clues in the prison episodes that the prisoners were in fact working on the Death Star ? Did you stay for the the post credits scene? ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 8:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andor-starting-september-21-2022/971787/310 "2022-11-24T08:50:41Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > the Death Star was essentially complete four years BBY? Its superstructure was being built 15 years earlier. It apparently takes a while to get all the bits together, let alone working properly. And it probably wasn’t furnished either. ---
**Author:** ![TwoCarrotSnowman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/twocarrotsnowman/32/15879_2.png) [@TwoCarrotSnowman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwoCarrotSnowman)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 9:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andor-starting-september-21-2022/971787/311 "2022-11-24T09:49:15Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > Its superstructure was being built 15 years earlier. It apparently takes a while to get all the bits together, let alone working properly. And it probably wasn’t furnished either. They probably hadn’t even settled on an interior decor scheme. Just kidding, “Imperial white” is the only colour on the chart. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andor-starting-september-21-2022/971787/312 "2022-11-24T12:06:51Z")
It takes years and years to make a large naval vessel (in the real world). Of course it takes years and years, if not decades, to make the Death Star. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andor-starting-september-21-2022/971787/313 "2022-11-24T13:20:46Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > Its superstructure was being built 15 years earlier. It apparently takes a while to get all the bits together, let alone working properly. And it probably wasn’t furnished either. Also, we don’t know when the post-credit sequence takes place. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andor-starting-september-21-2022/971787/314 "2022-11-24T13:42:43Z")
Two moments I loved: the Hammer Guy kicking the Stormtrooper out the window and that multiple Imperials were wearing a backpack that I am positive was based on a toy Kenner sold for your Star Wars figures that I had as a kid. As a season finale it felt like it ended a bit quickly. It didn’t feel finished, but more like the penultimate episode. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andor-starting-september-21-2022/971787/315 "2022-11-24T14:27:27Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > It takes years and years to make a large naval vessel (in the real world). Of course it takes years and years, if not decades, to make the Death Star. But it looked fully built except for the turbolaser. Contrast that to Death Star 2 (Electric Boogaloo) in RotJ. _That_ one looked years from completion. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andor-starting-september-21-2022/971787/316 "2022-11-24T14:57:19Z")
To expand on iiandyiiii’s answer above - a large naval vessel looks complete from the outside several years before it goes into service - for example, the [George HW Bush](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_George_H.W._Bush) was launched in 2006, commissioned in 2009, and deployed in 2011. So that’s 3 years from able to float to ready to turn over to the navy, and 2 more years of workups and acceptance trials before the navy was able to use it. And that’s for the 10th ship in a class, so they had already done this 9 times. Compared to the first ship of a class, larger than any other ship built, with a new, never before used and totally untested weapon system. Designed by a guy who ran away during construction. And in Rogue One the empire is still mining the kyber crystals used in the Superlaser, plus there’s a scene near the beginning where they’re finally inserting the Superlaser into the rest of the ship, just days before they deploy it. So it’s quite possible the Superlaser just gave them 5 years worth of construction headaches. In RoTJ, DS2 was years away from completion and deployment, but they focused on the Superlaser first, so they already had that working when they mousetrapped the Rebel fleet. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andor-starting-september-21-2022/971787/317 "2022-11-24T15:58:57Z")
I’ve seen five episodes so far, and I’m not sure how many have dropped total, so I’m not reading the rest of this thread, to avoid possible spoilers. But I feel like I’ve seen episodes of two different shows. In the first couple of episodes, Cassian was a small-time player who was in way over his head, was motivated by his concern for finding his lost sister, and was surrounded by a cast consisting of his love triangle, his “mother”, and his droid. In episodes 4 and 5, though, he’s a hyper-competent mercenary, capable of doing anyone else’s job better than them, motivated primarily by large amounts of money, and with a completely different supporting cast. Either story has potential, but they don’t feel like they fit together. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andor-starting-september-21-2022/971787/318 "2022-11-24T20:32:04Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > Two moments I loved: the Hammer Guy kicking the Stormtrooper out the window and that multiple Imperials were wearing a backpack that I am positive was based on a toy Kenner sold for your Star Wars figures that I had as a kid. I love when they do stuff like that, you happen to have a picture? ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andor-starting-september-21-2022/971787/319 "2022-11-24T21:03:01Z")
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**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andor-starting-september-21-2022/971787/320 "2022-11-24T21:41:29Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > But I feel like I’ve seen episodes of two different shows. …no story spoilers below, but very mild story structure spoilers: It’s just the way the show is structured: a series of related mini-arcs that build to a strong conclusion instead of a single over-arching story. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andor-starting-september-21-2022/971787/321 "2022-11-24T21:49:45Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > So it’s quite possible the Superlaser just gave them 5 years worth of construction headaches. Which we know that basically no one recently for Galen Erso knew how to build it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andor-starting-september-21-2022/971787.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andor-starting-september-21-2022/971787.md?page=17)