# Andrew Sullivan - Ron Paul For The GOP Nomination **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [December 15, 2011, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andrew-sullivan-ron-paul-for-the-gop-nomination/606253 "2011-12-15T00:08:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2011, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andrew-sullivan-ron-paul-for-the-gop-nomination/606253/41 "2011-12-16T22:39:11Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > You must not have heard about David Duke changing his name. What, to Daisy? ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2011, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andrew-sullivan-ron-paul-for-the-gop-nomination/606253/42 "2011-12-17T00:39:51Z")
> [@Try\_Not\_To\_Over\_Think](#): > > So you say his ideas are “19th century and ridiculous” why do you think that? > > Everyone loves to call him a kook but no one can explain why. All I have to say is that what we have been doing as far as foreign policy and monetary system has not been working for the last 40 years, the proof is in the lack of value of the dollar versus the value of precious metals and a military industrial complex that supports wartime manufacturers for weapons. After all, if we cant identify an enemy to kill then the weapons manufacturers will go out of business. Politicians would hate to lose their lobbyist dollars. > > So please, explain your stance with some intelligence that would change the views of someone open minded like myself. Hopefully you dont think that because that is what you hear on TV and read online. Just take a self assessment and determine where your views come from. Mine come from the US Constitution and quotes and letters for our countries founders. For starters he said he would not have gone after Bin Laden in Pakistan. If somebody is unwilling to kill the greatest enemy of this country, he is unfit to be Commander in Chief. > [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Better [Hamilton](http://www.amazon.com/Hamiltons-Republic-Democratic-Nationalist-Tradition/dp/0684831600) than Jefferson. > [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Better Jefferson than Hamilton. That was easy. Our nation is great because of adopting the best ideas of both Hamilton and Jefferson. Hamilton had better economic ideas fit for an industrializing nation but he has an aristocratic/Toryish view of government while Jefferson’s ideas of democracy were spot on but he believed America must forever remain a country of small farmers. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2011, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andrew-sullivan-ron-paul-for-the-gop-nomination/606253/43 "2011-12-17T01:12:05Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > For starters he said he would not have gone after Bin Laden in Pakistan. If somebody is unwilling to kill the greatest enemy of this country, he is unfit to be Commander in Chief. What a strange thing to say. Dick Cheney is the greatest enemy of this country. Well, maybe Rupert Murdoch. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2011, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andrew-sullivan-ron-paul-for-the-gop-nomination/606253/44 "2011-12-17T01:13:26Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > What a strange thing to say. Dick Cheney is the greatest enemy of this country. > > Well, maybe Rupert Murdoch. I would never say Barack Obama or Michael Moore is the worst enemy of the country… ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2011, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andrew-sullivan-ron-paul-for-the-gop-nomination/606253/45 "2011-12-17T01:41:59Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > I would never say Barack Obama or Michael Moore is the worst enemy of the country… Well, I suppose that speaks well for your perspicacity. Your implication that my having said those things about Cheney and Murdoch is somehow shameful, OTOH, does not. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2011, 7:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andrew-sullivan-ron-paul-for-the-gop-nomination/606253/46 "2011-12-17T07:48:13Z")
I suppose if there were sufficient time remaining, Ron Paul’s support could do one of those sub-orbital flights like Trump’s, Perry’s, Cain’s, and Gingrich’s. But even a brief turn as frontrunner would convince most Republicans that he’s not a very good anti-Romney either. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2011, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andrew-sullivan-ron-paul-for-the-gop-nomination/606253/47 "2011-12-17T11:36:14Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I don’t know who Roemer or Johnson is (maybe the media is making a choice there), but the media loves Huntsman. He just doesn’t get any traction. My guess is that he is sorely lacking in the charisma department. Watching him in the debates, he seems so… passionless, for lack of a better word. Buddy Roemer is a former governor of Louisiana, has been on Maddow a couple times in the last few months, and is basically running on a platform of campaign finance reform. I believe he went to OWS a couple times to talk with people there about his interest in CFR. He has no chance in the derpfest that is the current Republican primary voting. Gary Johnson is a former governor of New Mexico, pretty libertarian, and was a fairly popular governor at the time. All his air is sucked up by Ron Paul, although I would say that Johnson would be more electable in a general election as he’s more liberal on social issues than Paul and doesn’t say all the wacky things Paul says. While I would not vote for him against Obama, I might have voted for him back in 2002 against Richardson if he hadn’t been term-limited. I know several people who didn’t really like him 10-20 years ago who would take him over Martinez now in a heartbeat. Again, even if he hadn’t been excluded from most of the debates, he’s got no chance in this sort of electorate. ---
**Author:** ![newcomer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e5b9ba/32.png) [@newcomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newcomer)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2011, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andrew-sullivan-ron-paul-for-the-gop-nomination/606253/48 "2011-12-17T15:05:29Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > None Of The Above, which is the equivalent of a vote in favor of Ron Paul except it doesn’t support a racist crank. Well, then, you are “unfit” to make judgement at all. It’s like me saying I don’t like rap music style at all and then go on and specifically single one rapper and pile on. You should do as I do - stay away from rap debate completely b/c you simply don’t have a basis for it. It’s very simple actually. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2011, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andrew-sullivan-ron-paul-for-the-gop-nomination/606253/49 "2011-12-17T17:01:07Z")
> [@asterion](#): > > Buddy Roemer is a former governor of Louisiana, has been on Maddow a couple times in the last few months, and is basically running on a platform of campaign finance reform. I believe he went to OWS a couple times to talk with people there about his interest in CFR. He has no chance in the derpfest that is the current Republican primary voting. > > Gary Johnson is a former governor of New Mexico, pretty libertarian, and was a fairly popular governor at the time. All his air is sucked up by Ron Paul, although I would say that Johnson would be more electable in a general election as he’s more liberal on social issues than Paul and doesn’t say all the wacky things Paul says. While I would not vote for him against Obama, I might have voted for him back in 2002 against Richardson if he hadn’t been term-limited. I know several people who didn’t really like him 10-20 years ago who would take him over Martinez now in a heartbeat. Again, even if he hadn’t been excluded from most of the debates, he’s got no chance in this sort of electorate. Wow, thanks. That was informative. So, are these guys really running? Are they just so far down in the polls that they don’t get invited to the debates? ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andrew-sullivan-ron-paul-for-the-gop-nomination/606253/50 "2011-12-18T01:38:40Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I don’t know who Roemer or Johnson is (maybe the media is making a choice there), but the media loves Huntsman. He just doesn’t get any traction. My guess is that he is sorely lacking in the charisma department. Watching him in the debates, he seems so… passionless, for lack of a better word. > **[Buddy Roemer](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddy_Roemer)** > > Charles Elson "Buddy" Roemer III (October 4, 1943 – May 17, 2021) was an American politician, investor, and banker who served as the 52nd governor of Louisiana from 1988 to 1992, and as a member of the United States House of Representatives from 1981 to 1988. In March 1991, while serving as governor, Roemer switched affiliation from the Democratic Party to the Republican Party. > Roemer was a candidate for the presidential nominations of the Republican Party and the Reform Party in 2012. He wit... Former Louisiana governor, big on campaign finance reform. Supposedly not raising enough money for the debates, but apparently they’ve been changing the qualifications to keep him out. > **[Gary Johnson](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Johnson)** > > Gary Earl Johnson (born January 1, 1953) is an American businessman and politician who served as the 29th governor of New Mexico from 1995 to 2003 as a member of the Republican Party. He has been a member of the Libertarian Party since 2011 and was the party's nominee for President of the United States in the 2012 and 2016 elections. He was also the Libertarian nominee in the 2018 U.S. Senate election in New Mexico. > Johnson entered politics for the first time by running for governor of New ... Former New Mexico governor, pretty libertarian. You’d probably like him if I read your politics correctly. Note that both of these guys have gubernatorial experience, unlike Santorum, Bachmann, Gingrich, & Cain. ETA: see someone else covered that. Yes, they are really running. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andrew-sullivan-ron-paul-for-the-gop-nomination/606253.md?page=2)