# Andros-your a sour cream puff...Grienspace **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 28, 2000, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andros-your-a-sour-cream-puff-grienspace/47458 "2000-12-28T00:33:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![The\_Ryan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7feea3/32.png) [@The\_Ryan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ryan)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2001, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andros-your-a-sour-cream-puff-grienspace/47458/81 "2001-01-05T01:02:22Z")
David: I thought that might be what you meant. Good thing I got clarification! ---
**Author:** ![Monster104](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Monster104](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monster104)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2001, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andros-your-a-sour-cream-puff-grienspace/47458/82 "2001-01-05T01:43:56Z")
> [@](#): > > **However, we do have a completely secular Constitution, thanks to the work of the Founding Fathers, lots of whom were non-Christian Deists.** MEBuckner: I found this interesting…I was always under the impression that most, if not all of the Founding Fathers were Christians of various denominations. Do you have an article or cite on this? I don’t know or not, but I sure do want to find out. ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2001, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andros-your-a-sour-cream-puff-grienspace/47458/83 "2001-01-05T16:17:00Z")
For Thomas Jefferson’s thoughts on religion, see [this post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=1014386#post1014386) and others in that thread. Madison’s views are also discussed in the thread. According to the [_Britannica_](http://www.britannica.com/bcom/eb/article/2/0,5716,117392+2+109477,00.html): > [@](#): > > By the end of the 18th century, Deism had become a dominant religious attitude among intellectual and upper class Americans. Benjamin Franklin, the great sage of the Colonies and then of the new republic, summarized in a letter to Ezra Stiles, president of Yale College, a personal creed that almost literally reproduced Herbert’s five fundamental beliefs. The first three presidents of the United States also held Deistic convictions, as is amply evidenced in their correspondence. “The ten commandments and the sermon on the mount contain my religion,” John Adams wrote to Thomas Jefferson in 1816. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2001, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andros-your-a-sour-cream-puff-grienspace/47458/84 "2001-01-09T03:53:28Z")
Since this thread has already gone off on so many tangents that I’m not sure anybody is clear where it is headed, let me just remark that **Coldfire** has to the best of my knowledge always treatead our lesbian membership with the utmost of respect. Although you stole a literary allusion I was hoping to figure out a way to use when he got into a disagreement with Anthracite or Byzantine somewhere down the road. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2001, 9:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andros-your-a-sour-cream-puff-grienspace/47458/85 "2001-01-09T09:03:01Z")
What can I say, **Poly** … the Dutch have a thing with _dykes_, you know. [sub]Thankyou. Thankyouverymuch. I’ll be here all week. Tipping is not a town in China![/sub] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/andros-your-a-sour-cream-puff-grienspace/47458.md?page=4)