# Angel 03/05/03 - Salvage (spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 4, 2003, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-03-05-03-salvage-spoilers/159117 "2003-03-04T23:54:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2003, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-03-05-03-salvage-spoilers/159117/81 "2003-03-07T15:08:30Z")
I agree with Fiver. A mullet is a traditional layered short hair cut with just the back left to grow long a la Billy Ray Cyrus’s Achy Breaky haircut. Conner’s hair is BEGGING to be cut into a traditional layered short hair cut. In fact, I daresay a mullet would be an IMPROVEMENT over his current shapeless coif. I mean, I realize the sun has been blotted out and there are demons everywhere, but is this really an excuse for a bad haircut? Angelus’ hair is still looking sporty. ---
**Author:** ![jeevmon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/87869e/32.png) [@jeevmon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jeevmon)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2003, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-03-05-03-salvage-spoilers/159117/82 "2003-03-07T16:30:11Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Apos \* > \*\*I don’t buy the Angel is playing Angelus line. > > First of all, it would make Angel’s retarded fantasy sort of inexplicable. It doesn’t explain how Angelus knew about the Beast when Angel sincerely didn’t seem to. If Angel knew about the anti-Beast witches, he would have sent people to save them long before the Beast got to them. Angelus, however, didn’t care. It would also count as one too many convoluted fake-outs on the exact same theme. > > I’m not saying it couldn’t be… but it would actually be sort of stupid at this point. > > \*\* I think those who are saying it’s really Angel are saying that he got his soul back with the resouling spell, not before. So the Angelus knew the Beast/ Angel didn’t bit would still work. I agree that it’s really Angelus, though. The only way the Lilah thing can be overlooked would be if he knew Wesley and Gunn were coming up those stairs. Which seems a stretch. ---
**Author:** ![Amp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Amp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amp)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2003, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-03-05-03-salvage-spoilers/159117/83 "2003-03-07T16:59:15Z")
People seem to overlook the fact that he was about to kill that one lady that was being chased by those two vampires. He showed her his gameface before he overheard that one guy saying that the slayer was in town. He couldn’t have been doing that for the teams benefit because they were owhere around and if they were doing it for our benefit, well then thats jusy lousy writing. I think the fact that we haven’t actually seen Angelus kill anyone(human) on screen is just misdirection on ME’s part, just like the Giles/TFE thing. I think he is still Angelus. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/74df32/32.png) [@The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Devil_s_Grandmother)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2003, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-03-05-03-salvage-spoilers/159117/84 "2003-03-07T17:24:51Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Horatius \* > \*\*This is what I thought when {Lilah} first sat up. Right up until she touched Wes, I thought they were going for an Apocalypse crossover. Too bad, that might have been cool. \*\* I’m not clear on The-First-Can’t-Touch-Things idea. _Selfless_ was on UPN last Tuesday and it sure looked to me like First!Buffy touched Spike in the basement. I missed _Salvage_, did Lilah touch Wes enough to move him? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2003, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-03-05-03-salvage-spoilers/159117/85 "2003-03-07T17:34:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Fiver \* > \*\*Well, here’s some tantalizing news. This Sunday there’s a (probably bad) TV movie on CBS called _Return to the Batcave_. It seems to be in the same genre as that _Gilligan’s Island_ reunion from last season; Adam West and Burt Ward play themselves talking about the show, intercut with new footage of actors playing them in the 60s on the set of the _Batman_ TV show. > > TV Guide Online lists Amy Acker (_Angel_’s Fred) as a castmember of the movie! But, although I’ve gone to the IMDB, the movie’s official site and Google, I can’t find out what role she’s playing. > > I’m hoping she’s playing Yvonne-Craig-as-Batgirl. Mmmm…Amy Acker in a Batgirl costume… \*\* Was this supposed to be in another thread? ---
**Author:** ![Judith\_Prietht](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b19c9b/32.png) [@Judith\_Prietht](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Judith_Prietht)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2003, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-03-05-03-salvage-spoilers/159117/86 "2003-03-07T17:57:19Z")
I’d say **Fiver** ’s post, since it relates to Amy Acker, more or less belongs in this thread. I missed a small portion of Faith kicking ass in the prison yard. I got the impression that was something sent to kill her based on the knife (thanks, **The Gaspode** ), but I didn’t catch the baddie’s dialogue. I also felt this had happened to Faith before, when the guard said something to her about finding it hard to believe anyone would take her on. At any rate, welcome back Faithy! ---
**Author:** ![cmburns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@cmburns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmburns)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2003, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-03-05-03-salvage-spoilers/159117/87 "2003-03-07T19:11:08Z")
On the Angel/Angelus question, I agree with **Amp’s** point that there were too many instances where there was no audience for Angel to be playing to. There was nobody around other than us viewers, so any deception would be pointless. Plus even if he was trying to smoke out a traitor, why pretend in front of Faith once the Beast was dead? She can’t be the traitor, so why risk getting hurt himself or accidently hurting her by staying in evil character and inviting a fight? I used to really hate the “Five by five” catchphrase, but coming from Wes it was classic. ---
**Author:** ![Amp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Amp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amp)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2003, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-03-05-03-salvage-spoilers/159117/88 "2003-03-07T19:20:14Z")
Oh yeah? Well screw you **cmburns**. You have no idea what the hell you’re talking about… what? He was agreeing with me? Sorry **cmburns** , not used to that. Carry on. ---
**Author:** ![cmburns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@cmburns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmburns)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2003, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-03-05-03-salvage-spoilers/159117/89 "2003-03-07T19:48:04Z")
No apologies necessary, **Amp**. I’ll just assume that was your evil demonic hitchhiker side temporarily taking over. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Glory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/7cd45c/32.png) [@Glory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Glory)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2003, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-03-05-03-salvage-spoilers/159117/90 "2003-03-07T21:00:52Z")
My big reason for thinking the resouling spell did not work: Angelus smacked Cordy’s head into the iron bars hard enough to drop her. If the resouling spell had actually worked, Angel would have had to already have known that Cordy was the bad guy to hurt her like that. I agree with a previous poster, the spell was to put a whammy on Angelus that would fool Lorne into believing it was Angel so Cordy could arrange for him to be set free. I thought it was a GREAT episode 🙂 I nearly cheered when I heard Wes’ five by five comment! ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2003, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-03-05-03-salvage-spoilers/159117/91 "2003-03-07T21:53:47Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Judith Prietht \* > \*\*I’d say **Fiver** ’s post, since it relates to Amy Acker, more or less belongs in this thread. > > I missed a small portion of Faith kicking ass in the prison yard. I got the impression that was something sent to kill her based on the knife (thanks, **The Gaspode** ), but I didn’t catch the baddie’s dialogue. I also felt this had happened to Faith before, when the guard said something to her about finding it hard to believe anyone would take her on. At any rate, welcome back Faithy! \*\* Ah, I see about the Acker comment. Anyway, all the “bad-girl” said was that it was nothing personal that she was attacking Faith. Why would the First’s minions pick that weak chick to kill Faith? ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Tan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/charlie_tan/32/12582_2.png) [@Charlie\_Tan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Tan)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2003, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-03-05-03-salvage-spoilers/159117/92 "2003-03-07T23:22:52Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mahaloth \* > \*\*Anyway, all the “bad-girl” said was that it was nothing personal that she was attacking Faith. Why would the First’s minions pick that weak chick to kill Faith? \*\* She looked pretty butch to me. ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2003, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-03-05-03-salvage-spoilers/159117/93 "2003-03-08T01:48:38Z")
—I think those who are saying it’s really Angel are saying that he got his soul back with the resouling spell, not before.— Evil-Cordy was the one that designed the supposed “re-souling” spell, and she has no reason to re-soul Angel, especially given that she apparently wants Angelus around for some reason. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2003, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-03-05-03-salvage-spoilers/159117/94 "2003-03-08T02:11:58Z")
Out of curiousity, does anyone else remember Cordy’s eyes turning white when she was getting a vision _before_ she became a Divine Being? ---
**Author:** ![kung\_fu\_lola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f4b2a3/32.png) [@kung\_fu\_lola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kung_fu_lola)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2003, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-03-05-03-salvage-spoilers/159117/95 "2003-03-08T02:42:11Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Fiver \* > \*\ ***belladonna** , the first season of _Angel_ Cordelia was impregnated by a demon. > > She got better. > > I don’t know of any other pregnancy she’s had, but my memory isn’t perfect. \*\* I think that she was also impregnated in Pylea, and that she miscarried. I wasn’t watching regularly then though, my memory is a little fuzzy. > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by The Devil’s Grandmother:_ > **I’m not clear on The-First-Can’t-Touch-Things idea. Selfless was on UPN last Tuesday and it sure looked to me like First!Buffy touched Spike in the basement.** It’s arguable that the “Buffy” we see in that ep is not The First, it’s just a construct of Spike’s “imagi-sanity”. In _First Date_, First!Jonathan’s hand passes right through the cross Andrew brandishes at him. In the previous ep, _The Killer In Me_, everyone jumps on Giles to see if they can touch him, and determine that he is not The First. It’s made very clear that The First is non-corporeal and cannot touch people or manipulate objects. ---
**Author:** ![MattTheCroc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/439d5e/32.png) [@MattTheCroc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MattTheCroc)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2003, 6:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-03-05-03-salvage-spoilers/159117/96 "2003-03-08T06:58:48Z")
> [@](#): > > I don’t know of any other pregnancy she’s had, but my memory isn’t perfect. There was also the demon in mid Season 2 that implanted itself in her because they killed a third eye in a little girl, and Cordy grew a third eye herself, but was saved before it could burst out of her head fully grown when some powder was sprinkled over the eye. Just after Angel slept with Darla, IIRC. ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2003, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-03-05-03-salvage-spoilers/159117/97 "2003-03-08T07:11:15Z")
—I think that she was also impregnated in Pylea, and that she miscarried.— Not that I remember. They did try to do some horrible mojo on her to see if she had the gift, or something. But it didn’t give her a baby. ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Tan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/charlie_tan/32/12582_2.png) [@Charlie\_Tan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Tan)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2003, 11:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-03-05-03-salvage-spoilers/159117/98 "2003-03-08T11:35:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Lord Ashtar \* > \*\*Out of curiousity, does anyone else remember Cordy’s eyes turning white when she was getting a vision _before_ she became a Divine Being? \*\* They didn’t. Not even when she became part demon. This only happened this season. Also, she didn’t get pregnant in Pylea. I re-watched the episodes a few weeks ago and she was supposed to ‘cum-shuck’ with the Groosalog (sp?), but nothing came of it. No Cum-shucking, no pregnancy. ---
**Author:** ![Fiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e274bd/32.png) [@Fiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiver)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2003, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-03-05-03-salvage-spoilers/159117/99 "2003-03-08T14:44:02Z")
Yeah, you’re all right: Angel wouldn’t be acting the way Angelus has been. He doesn’t have his soul back. I was wrong. And I guess that’s why we’ll be seeing Willow on _Angel_ in a few weeks, since she’s the only non-gypsy who’s managed to return his soul in the past. She didn’t need it in a jar close by, either. ---
**Author:** ![robertliguori](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/46a35a/32.png) [@robertliguori](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robertliguori)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2003, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-03-05-03-salvage-spoilers/159117/100 "2003-03-08T14:50:10Z")
Fiver, before you get your hopes up, I’m pretty sure that they mentioned that Thessalan orbs can only summon souls from the void, and not from jars. Could be wrong, though. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-03-05-03-salvage-spoilers/159117.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-03-05-03-salvage-spoilers/159117.md?page=6)