# Angel 03/05/03 - Salvage (spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 4, 2003, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-03-05-03-salvage-spoilers/159117 "2003-03-04T23:54:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Fiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e274bd/32.png) [@Fiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiver)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2003, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-03-05-03-salvage-spoilers/159117/101 "2003-03-08T15:14:45Z")
What? ---
**Author:** ![A\_wizard\_song\_for\_thee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/46a35a/32.png) [@A\_wizard\_song\_for\_thee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/A_wizard_song_for_thee)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2003, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-03-05-03-salvage-spoilers/159117/102 "2003-03-08T20:32:28Z")
Yeah, it happened in the first episode after they discovered the jarless safe. One of the bits of throwaway dialogue was something about how Thessalian orbs would be useless in this case, 'cause they can only bring souls back from the afterlife, or whatever. It was great to see that _one_ of the two ME shows on TV right now remembers enough to throw in a bit of dialogue to explain the obvious solution. I mean, really, is it so much to ask to throw in a “Well, I hope Giles is okay since he went to Timbuktu to get a new SIT.” Geez. So anyway, Willow will be there in order to bring Faith to Sunnydale. MMMmmm… Willow and Faith… ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Tan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/charlie_tan/32/12582_2.png) [@Charlie\_Tan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Tan)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2003, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-03-05-03-salvage-spoilers/159117/103 "2003-03-08T22:08:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by A wizard song for thee \* > \*\* MMMmmm… Willow and Faith… \*\* :drooool: I want to be invited to that road trip. Maybe in the back of an ice cream van… ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2003, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-03-05-03-salvage-spoilers/159117/104 "2003-03-09T03:10:50Z")
Cordy absolutely did not get pregnant in Pylea. She has not miscarried. She did get pregnant, but it was in the first season. It’s actually Wesley’s second episode, the 12th total one of the show. It’s called expecting and it also the first time Cordy had sex. It’s a fairly lame episode(as was much of the first season). Oh, Angel threw liquid nitrogen at the bad dude and that ep. and everything was made right. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2003, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-03-05-03-salvage-spoilers/159117/105 "2003-03-09T03:12:48Z")
Oh, and the episode is called “Expecting”. ---
**Author:** ![Weird\_AL\_Einstein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c67d28/32.png) [@Weird\_AL\_Einstein](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weird_AL_Einstein)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2003, 7:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-03-05-03-salvage-spoilers/159117/106 "2003-03-09T07:30:34Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Fibber McGee \* > \*\*Think about it. > > Faith has pretty much gone on record as saying Angel is the only person she really cares about or trusts. > > She’s pretty gung-ho about bringing Angelus in alive so his soul can be restored. > > There’s a fairly obvious and nasty way Angelus can turn this against her. > > The only question is, would she have the guts to call his bluff? \*\* Arrrrrgh! What. Are. You. Talking. About?! ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2003, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-03-05-03-salvage-spoilers/159117/107 "2003-03-09T15:43:38Z")
WeirdAl, maybe what Fibber is suggesting is that Angelus will force Faith to kill him, thereby killing Angel as well. ? That’d be about the worst thing that could happen to Faith. I don’t know though – I’m a latecomer to Angel. Didn’t see any of the first season until I got the DVD and I’ve seen very few of the other episodes, because of having TV cable/dish systems that don’t carry one or the other of the Angel networks. **Question** about Salvage – is it possible that Angelus/Angel **knows** that Cordy isn’t herself right now? Or is that a given and I’ve missed it. (I did read this whole thread, I swear!) ---
**Author:** ![SwimmingRiddles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@SwimmingRiddles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SwimmingRiddles)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2003, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-03-05-03-salvage-spoilers/159117/108 "2003-03-09T16:44:57Z")
Thanks for filling in the hole for me, re; Beasty’s demise. I define a mullet as “short in the front and considerably longer in the back.” I say Connor’s hair qualifies, as the back is a good three inches below the back of his head. It’s not a Cyrus, and I suppose techinically it’s a bowl-cut gone terribly wrong, but for the purpose of mocking, I have, and will, refer to it as a mullet. ---
**Author:** ![Fiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e274bd/32.png) [@Fiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiver)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2003, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-03-05-03-salvage-spoilers/159117/109 "2003-03-09T17:47:09Z")
And call a halibut a “mammal,” too, if it makes you happy, but don’t be surprised if people don’t understand what you mean. **AuntiePam** , you raise a good point. Angelus seemed pretty certain that Team Angel wouldn’t be able to restore his soul, and that he would be freed from his cage. Whether or not he knows what’s up with Cordy, he still seems to know more than he should. ---
**Author:** ![robertliguori](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/46a35a/32.png) [@robertliguori](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robertliguori)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2003, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-03-05-03-salvage-spoilers/159117/110 "2003-03-09T19:42:26Z")
I’m guessing Angel does know, but the misdirection fairy requires appeasement. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2003, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-03-05-03-salvage-spoilers/159117/111 "2003-03-09T20:53:46Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SwimmingRiddles \* > \*\*Thanks for filling in the hole for me, re; Beasty’s demise. > > I define a mullet as “short in the front and considerably longer in the back.” I say Connor’s hair qualifies, as the back is a good three inches below the back of his head. It’s not a Cyrus, and I suppose technically it’s a bowl-cut gone terribly wrong, but for the purpose of mocking, I have, and will, refer to it as a mullet. \*\* I never considered Connor’s hair to be a mullet and I doubt the producers of the show would want one of their characters to have one. His hair is kind of long all over, hanging down the sides a bit. He just has it pulled back a little. I gotta say, the guy who plays Connor does a pretty good job. I mean, he is supposed to piss us off and be annoying. He makes the character as real as can be. By the way, I was surprised to see some people didn’t think Angel would know about Dawny. Remember, everyone remembers her being around. To Angel, she has been around the whole time. ---
**Author:** ![Fiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e274bd/32.png) [@Fiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiver)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2003, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-03-05-03-salvage-spoilers/159117/112 "2003-03-09T22:37:04Z")
Even if Angel didn’t have false memories of Dawn’s fictional past magically implanted, we know that he’s been back to Sunnydale at least once (after Joyce’s death) and presumably the two groups keep in touch over the phone off-screen, so it would just be silly to argue that he shouldn’t know about her. ---
**Author:** ![robertliguori](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/46a35a/32.png) [@robertliguori](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robertliguori)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2003, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-03-05-03-salvage-spoilers/159117/113 "2003-03-10T00:16:29Z")
Whilst we are discussing this: does the fact that Angel is treated as out of range from the Beast-erasing spell mean that there are actually two entities, rather than Guilty-Angel and Dr. Lector-Angel? ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2003, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-03-05-03-salvage-spoilers/159117/114 "2003-03-10T00:54:37Z")
Ack! Oh god, not another “evil baby” plot. WTF is the WBs hardon for that plot line? They killed off all seven of Cordy’s evil babies in season one. They killed off Phoebe’s evil baby at the end of last season on **Charmed** and now there’s another one? Or at least a 50-50 shot of one, anyway. For _once_ I’d like to see the evil little brat actually be born, rather than there be some sort of feel-good demonic abortion plotline. Evil babies deserve the chance to be born too. Or something. And why would they have a pregnancy story two seasons in a row? (actually, that’s _also_ like Charmed). The only part of the episode I liked was Wes’s conversation with the dead. Faith’s return could have been more exciting, the demon died too easily, there was too little Fred or Gun… Oh well, the previews for next week look better. I was thrown for a moment when Angel called Dawn, because I don’t remember if they showed Angel interacting with Dawn after Joyce’s death, but then I realized that her fake set of memories must include things about Angel, or she’d have been giving a lot of blank looks over the past two seasons every time he’s been mentioned on Buffy. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2003, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-03-05-03-salvage-spoilers/159117/115 "2003-03-10T01:09:02Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by robertliguori \* > \*\*Whilst we are discussing this: does the fact that Angel is treated as out of range from the Beast-erasing spell mean that there are actually two entities, rather than Guilty-Angel and Dr. Lector-Angel? \*\* Can you rewrite this? I can’t quite get what you are asking. ---
**Author:** ![Einmon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Einmon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Einmon)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2003, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-03-05-03-salvage-spoilers/159117/116 "2003-03-10T13:04:24Z")
Well, great. When I finally get to see the ep, the discussion’s already progressed to the point where almost everything’s been said. I was just thinking that if I had slept with a woman not too long ago and she presented me with a 7-months-pregnant belly I’d demand a recount. Well, special circumstances and all that, but still… Well, considering I’m a girl I’d demand much more of an explanation but that’s irrelevant here [nitpick] Did not like the make-up of the “Obnoxious Fat Guy in the Demon Bar”. [/nitpick] Other than that, it was great to see Faith back. I completely agree with the poster who said she handled the leader situation much better than Buffy usually does. And finally somebody puts Connor where he’s supposed to be _(whine whine whine kill Angel whine whine whine I’ve had it up to here)_. On a sidenote: “How can we stop Connor from going out and killing Angel?” a) 20 feet of sturdy rope b) handcuffs c) big-ass cage in the basement d) plead with him until he sees the errors of his ways Alex, I’ll take a) b) and c) for 100, please. ---
**Author:** ![Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19adc/32.png) [@Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2003, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-03-05-03-salvage-spoilers/159117/117 "2003-03-10T16:04:28Z")
Connor has a mop-top, not a mullet. If you fail to see the distinction go to that horrible mullet site which I won’t link too because many people will have their eyes horribly burned out. And way back on page one someone misquoted a prophecy. It’s “The father will _devour_ the son,” not kill the son. Although in retrospect, it could be a homonym for sun as well, which is interestingly freaky. ---
**Author:** ![Beadalin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3be4f8/32.png) [@Beadalin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beadalin)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2003, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-03-05-03-salvage-spoilers/159117/118 "2003-03-10T18:00:55Z")
> [@](#): > > And why would they have a pregnancy story two seasons in a row? I missed most of _Angel_’s first season, so I have no idea what the circumstances were for Cordy’s firsty pregnancy, but the second is almost certainly part of the storyline because the actress herself is pregnant. It’s impossible to hide the pregnancy of an actress without removing her from the show, so this time, it’s become part of the show. As for Cordy’s first pregnancy, from what I have gathered it was a planned plot element, and the writers prbably did not anticipate having to write a real one into the story at that point. > [@](#): > > And way back on page one someone misquoted a prophecy. It’s “The father will devour the son,” not kill the son. That was me. Sorry about that. Connor eating Cordy’s baby in any sense seems unlikely, but it would fit right into the outright creepiness of this plotline, wouldn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Nichol\_storm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Nichol\_storm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nichol_storm)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2003, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-03-05-03-salvage-spoilers/159117/119 "2003-03-10T19:48:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Barbarian \* > \*\*And way back on page one someone misquoted a prophecy. It’s “The father will _devour_ the son,” not kill the son. \*\* Eww. Maybe Connor will pull a Caligula from _I, Claudius_? .:Nichol:. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-03-05-03-salvage-spoilers/159117.md?page=5)