# Angel 4/9/03 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 10, 2003, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-4-9-03/167698 "2003-04-10T02:04:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Tan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/charlie_tan/32/12582_2.png) [@Charlie\_Tan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Tan)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2003, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-4-9-03/167698/81 "2003-04-14T14:57:45Z")
**thinksnow**. I just checked again. When I read your post, I thought maybe the guy had been hurt. That Yasmine touched an open wound. But even from the beating Angel gave him, I couldn’t see anything. And yes, she touches the members of the FG. ---
**Author:** ![Beadalin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3be4f8/32.png) [@Beadalin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beadalin)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2003, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-4-9-03/167698/82 "2003-04-14T15:54:45Z")
> [@](#): > > To myself - basically, a high fantasy type - the key to the ep is Jasmine’s little origin speech. You know, ancient Powers, one group supporting demons, the other opposing, in the “time before good and evil”. I think she’s telling the truth. She really thinks she’s good. I think she’s telling the truth, too, but I don’t think it’s because she’s good or thinks she’s good. If you listen carefully, she never claims to be one of the good ones; she merely states what happened without taking a side. She’s let her listeners infer that she was on the side of good, but never directly claims it. I could be wrong, of course, but “lying with the truth” has been a key way of mind-f\*cking the Fang Gang in the past (just like Angelus did). ---
**Author:** ![SolGrundy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbce88/32.png) [@SolGrundy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SolGrundy)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2003, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-4-9-03/167698/83 "2003-04-14T17:54:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Fiver \* > **SolGrundy:Nope. I just re-viewed the episode yesterday. The boys were fighting in slo-mo, yes, but the shots of Fred scrubbing the shirt were in regular-mo.** Errr… okay. Uh, glad you brought that up. It totally changes the point of the scene and makes it no longer funny. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Meatros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Meatros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meatros)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2003, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-4-9-03/167698/84 "2003-04-14T22:37:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Tim \* > \*\ ***Meatros** I think you got the title right. You mean [this](http://www.duke.edu/web/lit132/visage_war.gif) right? \*\* That would be it.😃 ---
**Author:** ![Fiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e274bd/32.png) [@Fiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiver)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2003, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-4-9-03/167698/85 "2003-04-15T01:57:53Z")
Well, it does for me, **SolGrundy**. ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2003, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-4-9-03/167698/86 "2003-04-15T05:53:49Z")
Do think something akin to a “get the hell out of our galaxy” would fit pretty well into Jossverse. In that show, the powerful goods are, at the very least, incompetant, if not downright corrupt. The avatars are always rebelling against their spirits, so to speak. The problem is, this has been a key theme for Buffy. It hasn’t really been so much at the fore on Angel. It would be pretty darn cool nonetheless though. ---
**Author:** ![Fiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e274bd/32.png) [@Fiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiver)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2003, 11:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-4-9-03/167698/87 "2003-04-15T11:30:51Z")
In what show, **Apos**? ---
**Author:** ![elf6c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c57346/32.png) [@elf6c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elf6c)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2003, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-4-9-03/167698/88 "2003-04-15T14:42:34Z")
The line is out of \*\* Babylon 5\*\*. Sheriden uses it to reject the interference of the Shadows and the Vorlons, who were left behind as caretakers of a sort, and could not help but tinker more and more until they both became directly invovled in current affairs (leading to the Shadow War, amoung other things) each thinking it was doing the right thing. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2003, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-4-9-03/167698/89 "2003-04-15T16:53:51Z")
Bingo. Jasmine’s a Vorlon. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-4-9-03/167698.md?page=4)