# Angel premier on Wednesday. Are you guys excited? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 29, 2003, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-premier-on-wednesday-are-you-guys-excited/204469 "2003-09-29T13:33:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![pepperlandgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f17d59/32.png) [@pepperlandgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pepperlandgirl)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2003, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-premier-on-wednesday-are-you-guys-excited/204469/21 "2003-09-29T20:49:46Z")
I’m excited about the entire season because I’ve seen the first two episodes and something…odd…happened. I didn’t want to scream at the tv “DIE ANGEL DIE” during the first episode, and by the end of the second episode, I actually, kinda, sorta, [sub]liked him[/sub] _ahem_ It’s disconcerting. ---
**Author:** ![jeevmon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/87869e/32.png) [@jeevmon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jeevmon)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2003, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-premier-on-wednesday-are-you-guys-excited/204469/22 "2003-09-29T21:19:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Otto \* > \*\*If the show becomes All About Spike and thrives, then making it All About Spike was the right move. If it becomes All About Spike and founders, then it was thr wrong move and can be corrected. I think it’s bizarre to make assumptions based on nothing more than the fact that an actor is joining the cast. \*\* The assumptions arise in part because the last two seasons of “Buffy” were very Spike-centric, and people viewed those seasons (with some justification) as creatively weaker than the five that preceded them. There’s a [Salon](http://archive.salon.com/ent/feature/2003/05/13/spike_buffy/) article that addresses this issue, comparing Spike to the Fonz on “Happy Days.” I agree that it’s premature to judge, but the people making the judgments aren’t entirely unjustified in their fear. I think the fact that Marti Noxon, AFAIK, has no involvement whatsoever in “Angel” is a big help. Plus, “Angel” is David Boreanaz (and, to a lesser extent, Alexis Denisof’s) show now. I do worry that with Spike joining the cast, Denisof, who, IMHO, gave the strongest performance of any of the actors on either show for the last two years, will be marginalized in favor of Spike, and we’ll see even less of the potentially interesting but chronically underused Gunn. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2003, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-premier-on-wednesday-are-you-guys-excited/204469/23 "2003-09-29T23:04:04Z")
I couldn’t get to that WB link. Someone told me that the first four episodes of this season’s Angel are repeats of the last four eps of last season. So that’s not true? New shows, right off the bat? (Oooh, a pun.) I need to figure out where it’s gonna be, because we have DirecTV now, and there’s no UPN or The WB in the channel listings. And we signed up for the whole schmear. Wonder where the hell it’s at. ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2003, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-premier-on-wednesday-are-you-guys-excited/204469/24 "2003-09-29T23:59:32Z")
Glad that the premier is this week. The only other show I watch these days is Survivor. Am also reticent about Marsters joining the cast and causing an imbalance in the show. Too many chiefs and no indians sort of thing. Looking forward to dynamics with Angel/Spike/Buffy during sweeps time. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2003, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-premier-on-wednesday-are-you-guys-excited/204469/25 "2003-09-30T00:30:43Z")
I’m looking forward to it, but I only found out for sure about 3 weeks ago that Cordy isn’t going to be in it any more. (geez, no Cordy, no Lilah, no detective Lockheart…they need more strong female characters asap!) I’m bummed about that, since she was the main reason I started watching the show in the first place, and still one of my favorite characters when I started watching it again last summer. Oh well… at least I’ll see her weekdays as I catch up on the rest of season 2 and most of season three on TNT. What _was_ up with that cryptic TV Guide article in which Joss sort of implied he still has more ideas for Cordy and Connor? Possible cameos? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Asbestos\_Mango](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@The\_Asbestos\_Mango](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Asbestos_Mango)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2003, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-premier-on-wednesday-are-you-guys-excited/204469/26 "2003-09-30T02:04:12Z")
I for one am looking forward to seeing both Spike and Harmony. I’m wondering if Harmony will try to, um, rekindle their relationship. That would be hilarious. I’m also hoping to see a Spike/Fred romance (if I can’t have Spillow, I’ll settle for Spinnifred.) I don’t think it’s going to become All. About. Spike, but I do think that somewhere around midseason, there will need to be a 3-4 episode Spike centered story arc. You can’t bring a character back from the dead and just push him off into a corner. I got hooked on the show last season, and I too am hoping it won’t turn into an MOTW series. I think several interlaced 3-4 ep arcs would work, with one arc picking up while another is winding down to keep the suspense going, plus the occasional knockout stand-alone. And please, please, please Joss, don’t bring the First into the show. Ever. ---
**Author:** ![kung\_fu\_lola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f4b2a3/32.png) [@kung\_fu\_lola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kung_fu_lola)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2003, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-premier-on-wednesday-are-you-guys-excited/204469/27 "2003-09-30T02:54:09Z")
**dancing** Shanshu! Shanshu for Spike! It will be interesting to see how Shanshu will change Spike, and how Angel will react to Spike, of all people, attaining Shanshu before he had the chance to. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2003, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-premier-on-wednesday-are-you-guys-excited/204469/28 "2003-09-30T04:58:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by kung fu lola \* > \*\ ***dancing** Shanshu! Shanshu for Spike! > \*\* I strongly recommend against dancing in shanshoes, you’ll scuff the hell out of the floor. More Harmony? Why? Why? The only interesting thing that they could do with Harmony is have her realize her limitations. She gives up on the idea of having minions or being a dark power. Instead, she settles into the role of undead bottle blonde. Is it definite that Spike has become human again as opposed to Spike the cockney ghost? Is it true that the mysterious panther from last season’s finale claimed Gunn’s soul in exchange for air conditioning? ---
**Author:** ![MrMyth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e19b73/32.png) [@MrMyth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrMyth)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2003, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-premier-on-wednesday-are-you-guys-excited/204469/29 "2003-09-30T14:29:33Z")
I’m not too worried about Spike joining the cast. Every ex-Buffy cast member on the show has been markedly improved by the Angel writers. Now unless they’re under an edict for more Spike, I don’t see that track record faltering. I’m a bit worried about Harm, but Wesley was just as one-noted on Buffy, and look at him now. Maybe the demon inhabiting the body finally found a way to get rid of the human Harmony influences. God, I hope so. ---
**Author:** ![CadburyAngel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@CadburyAngel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CadburyAngel)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2003, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-premier-on-wednesday-are-you-guys-excited/204469/30 "2003-09-30T16:26:04Z")
I have high hopes for Spike’s handling on this show as opposed to Buffy, mainly based on how well the writers managed Willow’s character during her brief appearance. This creative team has a good record of taking characters that were not intended to be primary protagonists and making them worth caring about. ---
**Author:** ![Judith\_Prietht](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b19c9b/32.png) [@Judith\_Prietht](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Judith_Prietht)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2003, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-premier-on-wednesday-are-you-guys-excited/204469/31 "2003-09-30T16:58:15Z")
This might be delving a little more into actual plot, but another reason I’m excited is that to me Wolfram & Hart seems to have endless Big Bad potential. I also hold out hope Gavin can make a cameo. Somehow. Somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![kasuo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8c91f0/32.png) [@kasuo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kasuo)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2003, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-premier-on-wednesday-are-you-guys-excited/204469/32 "2003-09-30T17:09:28Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by DocCathode \* > \*\* Is it true that the mysterious panther from last season’s finale claimed Gunn’s soul in exchange for air conditioning? \*\* That and basic cable. Ironically, no SpikeTV channel. ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Tan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/charlie_tan/32/12582_2.png) [@Charlie\_Tan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Tan)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2003, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-premier-on-wednesday-are-you-guys-excited/204469/33 "2003-09-30T19:49:35Z")
Just a quick note re: Harmony. I just watched the workprint and you guys can curb your fears. It actually works. If **Pepperlandgirl** doesn’t beat me to it, I’ll start a new thread tomorrow. I just have to watch e4pisode 2 first, and then it’s sack time. It’s really looking good so far. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2003, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-premier-on-wednesday-are-you-guys-excited/204469/34 "2003-10-01T00:35:06Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by AuntiePam_ > Someone told me that the first four episodes of this season’s Angel are repeats of the last four eps of last season. Well, then they wouldn’t exactly be the first four episodes of this season, would they? 😉 I think what your friend meant was that, before the premiere of the new season, they’ve been re-running the last four episodes from last season. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angel-premier-on-wednesday-are-you-guys-excited/204469.md?page=1)