# Angelina Jolie: near virgin? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 20, 2007, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angelina-jolie-near-virgin/419851 "2007-09-20T07:42:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2007, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angelina-jolie-near-virgin/419851/21 "2007-09-20T14:06:59Z")
Wow, what a misogynist thread. It appears we have a lot of experts on Ms. Jolie’s sexual history. Questions: What proof does anyone have that she’s lying about her sexual history? When has she ever claimed to be promiscuous? Why does adopting children make her evil? Who has she ever hurt? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2007, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angelina-jolie-near-virgin/419851/22 "2007-09-20T14:11:47Z")
[QUOTE=Rubystreak] Do age and parenthood make you into a liar? Because she pretty much is lying here. [/quote] Cite? You know she’s lying why? Because she’s hot? > [@](#): > > BTW, I don’t hate her. Then why are you slandering her and accusing her of being a liar and an adulterer with absolutely no evidence? > [@](#): > > I wouldn’t leave her alone in a room with my husband, or anyone else’s, but really, she’s an actress. Who cares what she does? It’s just funny that she’s trying to change her image by trying to rewrite a pretty public sexual history. She also claims she’s not an adultress, though clearly she got involved with Thorton and Pitt when they were involved with other women. I get the sense that she’s not very honest when it comes to sexual matters. Pitt said that she refused to sleep with him when he was still married to Jennifer Anniston. I don’t think you have any grounds to accuse her of being dishonest. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2007, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angelina-jolie-near-virgin/419851/23 "2007-09-20T14:39:41Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] Wow, what a misogynist thread. It appears we have a lot of experts on Ms. Jolie’s sexual history… [/QUOTE] Angelina Jolie is rich, famous & beautiful. Therefore, there must be something “wrong” with her. If she’d claimed a long & lurid sexual history, the jealous ones would be calling her a “slut.” Since she says she hasn’t had that many lovers, she’s obviously a liar. (And a slut, too.) ---
**Author:** ![xnylder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/bbce88/32.png) [@xnylder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xnylder)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2007, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angelina-jolie-near-virgin/419851/24 "2007-09-20T14:43:47Z")
I don’t care one way or the other who Ms. Jolie’s slept with. But the geek in me needs to say… Lara Croft’s been retconned!?! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2007, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angelina-jolie-near-virgin/419851/25 "2007-09-20T14:45:30Z")
You say “slut” like it’s a _bad_ thing. And yes, I’m the fourth guy. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2007, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angelina-jolie-near-virgin/419851/26 "2007-09-20T15:11:48Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] What proof does anyone have that she’s lying about her sexual history? When has she ever claimed to be promiscuous? [/QUOTE] I repeat: This does not jibe with any interview she’s done in the past ten years. Either she was lying before (in her young and spirited wild child days) or she’s lying now (in her grounded earth mother family phase). My money’s on the second one. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2007, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angelina-jolie-near-virgin/419851/27 "2007-09-20T15:18:42Z")
[QUOTE=Justin\_Bailey] I repeat: This does not jibe with any interview she’s done in the past ten years. [/quote] How about citing an interview in which she ever claimed to have had more sexual partners than what she’s claiming now. I’m not buying it. > [@](#): > > Either she was lying before (in her young and spirited wild child days) or she’s lying now (in her grounded earth mother family phase). My money’s on the second one. What do people mean by this “earth mother” smear? Is there some reason to believe she is insincere about any of that? ---
**Author:** ![AutumnLeaves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/45deac/32.png) [@AutumnLeaves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AutumnLeaves)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2007, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angelina-jolie-near-virgin/419851/28 "2007-09-20T15:19:31Z")
I really don’t know what’s funnier: a) the fact that a group of people usually so quick to call “Cite?!?!?!” will take this particular claim from an interview I certainly can’t find anywhere (google gives me many sites that mention this interview in UK Cosmo, but no actual source) as the gospel truth b) the fact that a board that likes to pretend it sneers down it’s nose at the exoteric media choices of the unwashed masses clearly loves to dig in this dirt c) or the fact that the usual “girls who hate pretty girls” arrived so quickly to talk trash about Miss Jolie. Angelina Jolie is better looking than any of us. She has more money than any of us. She’s obviously having better sex than any of us. Yet, she also does more good - even if it were only through donating money, which is only part of it - than any of us. So, clearly, we should talk shit about her. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2007, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angelina-jolie-near-virgin/419851/29 "2007-09-20T15:25:16Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] How about citing an interview in which she ever claimed to have had more sexual partners than what she’s claiming now. I’m not buying it. [/QUOTE] You want me to dig through decade old copies of Entertainment Weekly, Cosmo, People and TV Guide? No fucking thank you. The fact that so many people remember similar claims from Ms. Jolie seems to support this idea that her promiscuity is well known. [QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] What do people mean by this “earth mother” smear? Is there some reason to believe she is insincere about any of that? [/QUOTE] Personally, I believe she’s very sincere about it and I respect her quite a bit for it. But the “earth mother” descriptor is also easy shorthand to distinguish between this part of her life and her wild child days. ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2007, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angelina-jolie-near-virgin/419851/30 "2007-09-20T15:26:16Z")
I have to say, I don’t remember her ever implying that she has been promiscuous. She has been fairly forthright about the level of sexual activity within her relationships (the one with Billy Bob being the one I particularly remember), but not that she’s been with a zillion people. I think she’s been a tad bit TMI about it (I remember one awards show where they were just all over each other, and made broad implications on the red carpet that they had done it in the limo on the way there…a little tacky, IMO). That has maybe given people the impression that there was more going on in her past than there actually was. ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2007, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angelina-jolie-near-virgin/419851/31 "2007-09-20T15:26:33Z")
[QUOTE=Bridget Burke] If she’d claimed a long & lurid sexual history, the jealous ones would be calling her a “slut.” Since she says she hasn’t had that many lovers, she’s obviously a liar. (And a slut, too.) [/QUOTE] …and since she hasn’t slept with me, she’s a bitch, to boot. 😉 In all seriousness - why wouldn’t I believe her? (We’ll leave the question of “why would I care” for another time.) I know, personally, plenty of beautiful sexy women who don’t get laid nearly as often as their reputations would lead one to think. Hell, I used to be one of them - the “slut” of high school when I was, in fact, a virgin\* (and not an “everything but” virgin, either.) And, just because I’m so desperate to have something in common with Ms. Jolie, I’ll also add that after my “slut” persona in school, I’ve also settled down into being a very happy do-gooder Earth Mama. So it’s entirely possible. Whether or not it’s true in Ms. Jolie’s case, I leave to people who care about her vagina more than I do to argue over. \*Just to quell any cyber-stalkers who want to “catch” me in a falsehood - I’m using “virgin” here to mean “one who has not engaged in consensual sex”, not that I’d never been penetrated. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2007, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angelina-jolie-near-virgin/419851/32 "2007-09-20T15:28:15Z")
[QUOTE=lieu] Selective fucknesia. [/QUOTE] I need to get me some of that! ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2007, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angelina-jolie-near-virgin/419851/33 "2007-09-20T15:31:10Z")
[QUOTE=Skammer] **PunditLisa** beat me to it. No matter how chaste she is compared to her reputation, even taking her at her word stretches the concept of “near-virgin.” Can a near-virgin get nearly pregnant? [/QUOTE] As far as I can tell from searching for the quotes, the phrase “near virgin” belongs to the OP, not to Jolie. ---
**Author:** ![Astroboy14](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/df705f/32.png) [@Astroboy14](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astroboy14)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2007, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angelina-jolie-near-virgin/419851/34 "2007-09-20T15:31:29Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] Wow, what a misogynist thread. It appears we have a lot of experts on Ms. Jolie’s sexual history. Questions: What proof does anyone have that she’s lying about her sexual history? When has she ever claimed to be promiscuous? Why does adopting children make her evil? Who has she ever hurt? [/QUOTE] What proof does anyone have that she’s lying about her sexual history? _A rich fantasy life, and a buff right arm… that count?_ When has she ever claimed to be promiscuous? _Back to the fantasy life again…_ Why does adopting children make her evil? _Because they take up time that she could be using to please me!_ Who has she ever hurt? _I’m a bit sore down there now…_ 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2007, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angelina-jolie-near-virgin/419851/35 "2007-09-20T15:39:53Z")
[QUOTE=Justin\_Bailey] You want me to dig through decade old copies of Entertainment Weekly, Cosmo, People and TV Guide? No fucking thank you. The fact that so many people remember similar claims from Ms. Jolie seems to support this idea that her promiscuity is well known. [/quote] So many people “remember” it, but nobody can cite any of it. Since when do we accept unsupported accusations of lying around here? > [@](#): > > Personally, I believe she’s very sincere about it and I respect her quite a bit for it. But the “earth mother” descriptor is also easy shorthand to distinguish between this part of her life and her wild child days. The “Earth Mother” nickname, in itself is no big deal, but I do see a lot of people disparaging her for her philanthropy, implying insincerity and criticizing her for adopting children (which for some reason makes her evil because, I guess, she couldn’t possibly really care about them or love them). I became a lot different person once I had kids than when I was in my 20’s too. Parenthood changes people. Having said that, I still don’t think we have any reason to believe that AJ has a “wild” sexual history. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2007, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angelina-jolie-near-virgin/419851/36 "2007-09-20T15:50:30Z")
[QUOTE=Rubystreak] Do age and parenthood make you into a liar? Because she pretty much is lying here. [/QUOTE] Sometimes. My uncle really whitewashed his hip, cool past because he wants his kids to think he’s totally straitlaced. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2007, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angelina-jolie-near-virgin/419851/37 "2007-09-20T15:53:22Z")
> [@](#): > > What proof does anyone have that she’s lying about her sexual history? Well, we have her own statements from past interviews. So either Angelina Jolie is lying about her past or Angelina Jolie was lying in the past. > [@](#): > > When has she ever claimed to be promiscuous? Huh? Wild child? Bisexual orgies? Vials of blood? Knifes? French kissing her brother? Hotel room quickies? > [@](#): > > Why does adopting children make her evil? What does adopting children have to do with this discussion? > [@](#): > > Who has she ever hurt? I’d guess the women who were married to a couple of her admitted lovers probably were a little annoyed at the time. > [@](#): > > a) the fact that a group of people usually so quick to call “Cite?!?!?!” will take this particular claim from an interview I certainly can’t find anywhere (google gives me many sites that mention this interview in UK Cosmo, but no actual source) as the gospel truth It took me about twenty seconds to find a [cite](http://angelina-jolie-blognews.blogspot.com/2007/09/i-had-slept-with-four-men-angelina.html). > [@](#): > > b) the fact that a board that likes to pretend it sneers down it’s nose at the exoteric media choices of the unwashed masses clearly loves to dig in this dirt We love celebrity gossip here. And we only have problems with unwashed masses if they’re sharing public transit with us. It’s bad grammar we sneer down our noses at. > [@](#): > > c) or the fact that the usual “girls who hate pretty girls” arrived so quickly to talk trash about Miss Jolie. And hypocrisy. We sneer at that too. > [@](#): > > Angelina Jolie is better looking than any of us. She has more money than any of us. She’s obviously having better sex than any of us. Yet, she also does more good - even if it were only through donating money, which is only part of it - than any of us. Speak for yourself. I, for one, am apparently having better sex than Ms Jolie. ---
**Author:** ![Asimovian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asimovian/32/172_2.png) [@Asimovian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asimovian)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2007, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angelina-jolie-near-virgin/419851/38 "2007-09-20T15:53:30Z")
Going along with **GuanoLad** and **Dio** to some extent, I’ve got to say that my impression (no cites, sorry!) has always been that she’s been wild with the lovers she’s had. I don’t recall ever hearing or even thinking that she’s been with a ton of guys. Don’t get me wrong; I still think she’s crazy. But I don’t have any particular reason not to believe what she’s saying now. ---
**Author:** ![SaharaTea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@SaharaTea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaharaTea)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2007, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angelina-jolie-near-virgin/419851/39 "2007-09-20T15:59:09Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] The “Earth Mother” nickname, in itself is no big deal, but I do see a lot of people disparaging her for her philanthropy, implying insincerity and criticizing her for adopting children (which for some reason makes her evil because, I guess, she couldn’t possibly really care about them or love them). I became a lot different person once I had kids than when I was in my 20’s too. Parenthood changes people. Having said that, I still don’t think we have any reason to believe that AJ has a “wild” sexual history. [/QUOTE] I don’t give a flying fuck how many children she adopts or whether she’s sincere about humanitarianism. Why is she talking about her sex life at all??? The problem I have with celebs like her is that they are always complaining about how the paps invade their privacy and misconstrue their statements…right before they set up special photo ops with their kids and give interviews discussing their sex lives! Jesus Christ, give us a break! ---
**Author:** ![saoirse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@saoirse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saoirse)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2007, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angelina-jolie-near-virgin/419851/40 "2007-09-20T16:07:05Z")
[QUOTE=Little Nemo] > [@](#): > > a) the fact that a group of people usually so quick to call “Cite?!?!?!” will take this particular claim from an interview I certainly can’t find anywhere (google gives me many sites that mention this interview in UK Cosmo, but no actual source) as the gospel truth It took me about twenty seconds to find a [cite](http://angelina-jolie-blognews.blogspot.com/2007/09/i-had-slept-with-four-men-angelina.html). [/QUOTE] This made me laugh. The “cite” is to a blog that mentions the interview in UK Cosmo. I didn’t think you’d need 20 seconds to get that. Google usually gets you that in in less than one. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angelina-jolie-near-virgin/419851.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/angelina-jolie-near-virgin/419851.md?page=3)