Yes this, its literally “we’re going to vote for Trump for the LOLZ”. Probably not a coincidence that 4Chan has embraced Trump in a big way. Amusingly enough Trump did retweet a “rare pepe” of himself which linked to a video that a 4Channer made.
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How dare you be so agreeable!
(It was the “This is true, but…” that threw me.)
If that’s true, his followers are more short-sighted than I thought. Instead of wanting to fix the system, they’d rather vandalize it. That would make them dangerous, not just misguided.
More proof (as if we needed any) that Kevin D. Williamson belongs in a camp. If American liberals were worth their salt this would be being proclaimed from every tv screen, radio, webpage, editorial page, and stump as an example of the Victorian classist bigotry of the Republican party elite. But instead, we have some self-proclaimed “liberals” even on this very board hailing the screed’s truth when they rightfully would have denounced it as bigoted nonsense when directed against blacks and Latinos.
Do you have the same opinion regarding (for example) blacks or Latinos? Why or why not?
Then why hasn’t Obama sent him there? We all know he has the camps.
Well, I have heard that some blacks in NYC blame their troubles on “Goldberg,” i.e., Jews; but the commoner target is Whitey in general.
Mostly not because each of those groups are in different circumstances and doing different things. Having the same opinions about different things would be very stupid. Why would anyone do that?
As someone of ethnic Korean descent, I was thinking more along the lines of “Black Korea”:
The difference is that all these portions of the American underclass are comparable to a certain extent-they each have resentment (often racial/religious in nature) towards population groups they have benefited at their expense.
Also, I challenge the notion that Sanders is meathead, or that his policies appeal to meatheads. Show me Sanders’ equivalence to Trump’s “Big Wall” or “ban all Muslims” or his “all for the rich” tax policy.
The reason you do not have wholesale condemnation by “liberals” of Williamson’s screed against the conservative mid to white working underclass is that, even liberals are Americans with a basic American respect for entrepreneurial effort, and there is an element of truth at the core of his contemptuous blast. As spittle flecked as they are some of his points about struggling whites not taking the initiative to pursue alternative opportunities are logically defensible.
To most white Americans whether liberal or conservative the consideration is that life as an underclass white might be tough, but hey… you’re still white with the bundle of subtle and not so subtle advantages that conveys in US society. If you are sitting on your hands and angry about the economy there is less sympathy for you than the black or brown underclass who are under a double whammy.
We have a large portion of GOP voters angry at the leaders of their party and voting for a clown who is making a mockery of those leaders.
Any chance these voters can become Democrats? What’s stopping them now seems to be that they believe immigration and free trade are causing their problems. What if someone offers them a better solution?
What happens when a politician pulls an FDR and promises government spending on programs that will create jobs? Will these voters jump ship?
Remember that the new deal coalition had racist southern democrats and progressives all under one tent. They all united under the idea that FDR was creating jobs, creating a stronger safety net, and creating stronger regulations for the reckless behavior of wall street.
Ah, that was nice.
Can anyone here verify his numbers?
I’m not impressed by the article. Other than cherrypicking a few extreme examples, Campos made no case at all.
He may be right. It’s probably true that the National Review crowd hates working class whites. Or, really, anybody at all who isn’t them. I don’t understand why anybody admires the National Review. It’s been the home of snobbery, bigotry, self-delusion, and bile towards Others since William F. Buckley, who set it up in his image. Like the Catholic Church that Buckley so lauded, its soft underbelly is a decades-long history of preying on the defenseless.
That particular attack is worthless, though.
Campos is not saying that the conservative pundit elite hates working-class whites. The point seems to be that they are largely oblivious to the real problems of working-class people of any color. They live in such a social bubble that they simply cannot understand, or have trained themselves not to notice, how much harder it is now than in the 1970s to get by on an average American income, or how much the real inflation-adjusted costs of such non-luxuries as housing and higher education and health care have increased since that time.
That’s (to me) the weird thing. I went to the National Review site expecting some sophisticated reasoned analysis in support of conservative positions and … it’s like Glenn Beck got to typin’. There are a few non-insane writers but mostly it’s just tired, discredited economic, domestic and foreign policy nonsense presented as fact in a ham handed writing style. This is apparently where all the chattering class supply siders and neo-cons went to hide after Bush left office.
Has anyone seen any of that “sophisticated reasoned analysis in support of conservative positions” around here at all? Serious question.
They’re taken seriously by people who think difficult and adult are synonymous, not understanding that being an adult means doing difficult things in order to help others, as opposed to the current Republican strategy of being difficult in order to help yourself.
It reminds me of certain conspiracy theorists, who think they’re on the right track because their ideas are meeting resistance; the reasoning goes that people resist difficult ideas, difficult ideas are more likely to be true, therefore, the fact everyone thinks they’re nuts means the Jews really did 9/11 and Newtown never existed.
The Balance Fallacy plays a role, too: Certain statements make Republicans angry, certain statements make Democrats angry, so both of those statements must be true, because you’re pissing off both sides. The minor fact Republicans get offended by science and Democrats don’t is ignored because to notice such things is partisan, and partisanship is bad.